Part 3 in the series

No problem :)

Nile Red

Very good video. Thanks for the effort!

haha no worries :)

Nile Red

Huh. I have to wonder how I managed to misunderstand what I was looking at (OK, so it's not such a surprise, considering I'm a mildly gifted amateur on the best of days). I was looking at the output from Wolfram Alpha, and the skeleton drawings looked a lot closer. Ah well. Just a thought. There's a reason I'm in IT...

Roger Lee

they are very different! If we are talking about the same thing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine</a>

Nile Red

I do not have a source. The idea actually came to me due to the fact that I misread one for the other, and thought that it should be possible. the structures aren't that far off, are they?

Roger Lee

I do still have it, but with a quick search i dont see anything about using it to make melamine. Do you have a source?

Nile Red

Hey. Completely unrelated to this video, do you still have that methylamine? If so, how difficult would it be to convert it to melamine? Would it be worth the time and effort to try?

Roger Lee

Hey, really sorry about that. I remade the name list and ordered it and somehow your name got messed up. I am really hoping there aren't a lot of other mistakes in there..

Nile Red

Emery my last name is Emery

Keith Emery

Great to hear, thanks! Come to think of it, the salicylic acid here turned the same color pink that the phenol-formaldehyde mixture turns as you add the catalyst, just before it kicks off.

Paul Grodt

Im definitely doing Bakelite at some point, but Ill try to look into some other phenolic polymers

Nile Red

That's the obvious one, certainly. I've seen the bakelite reaction before and it's a really cool one. But there's also Novolacs, which I haven't seen before. I suspect that either could make for great videos.

Paul Grodt

What are you interested in? Bakelite?

Nile Red

Phenol fascinates me. If you are ever in the mood to do some reactions involving phenolic polymers, sign me up.

Paul Grodt

haha, nothing like the smell of diarrhea in the morning.

Nile Red

no no no. It doesnt smell "like" diarrhea and vomit. It smells "OF" diarrhea and vomit. So much worse in my opinion.

Nile Red

no no no. It doesnt smell "like" diarrhea and vomit. It smells "OF" diarrhea and vomit. So much worse in my opinion.

Nile Red

Forgot to mention. It goes to regenerate the aromaticity of the ring. With the co2 gone, the carbon that was attached below to it would only have 3 bonds. The H is picked up to give the carbon 4 bonds and regenerate aromaticity. The H might be added before the decarboxylation by another salicylic or it might be added to the ring intramolecularly by the carboxylic acid, at the same time that the co2 is being ejected I'm not sure

Nile Red

Ill repost my reply here because apparently it didnt reply to you directly.

Nile Red

Oh yes, I forgot!

Nile Red

Doing another Patron strawpoll?

Forgot to mention. It goes to regenerate the aromaticity of the ring. With the co2 gone, the carbon that was attached below to it would only have 3 bonds. The H is picked up to give the carbon 4 bonds and regenerate aromaticity. The H might be added before the decarboxylation by another salicylic or it might be added to the ring intramolecularly by the carboxylic acid, at the same time that the co2 is being ejected I'm not sure

Nile Red

Nice. So when the decarboxylation happens, you mention that it converts to phenol and CO2. There's a hydrogen in the starting material. Where does that go?

Roger Lee

Ah crap. Oops.ill fix it now

Nile Red

It says the video is private

Matt