AU - Nayana and Koan Live
Added 2025-01-28 17:06:37 +0000 UTC#2 Color vote from January. An alternate reality exploring what life might have been like if Zen and Natani's village hadn't been burned down and the deaths of their parents had never occurred, suggested by Carter!
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While almost everyone looks very happy here, I've gotta say, Natani looks kinda dead inside. Compared to how he's normally drawn in the comic (with pupils and eye highlights, like everyone else here), his eyes appear hollow and dead. And it's not because of the brain link with Zen, cause that never happened in this timeline. This is because the life he's living is a lie. He's trying to conform to what his family and society expect of him and can't do it, because he's not a she. As sad as it is that this timeline never happened, the one upside is that Natani actually gets to live.
Ursalillychewie
2025-02-03 22:18:58 +0000 UTCThe Creator Tom Fischbach stated and confirmed that Natani indeed is a Man in this AU
JackieDOminic2302
2025-02-02 13:05:47 +0000 UTC@Alaric and YOU need to realise that sexuality identification does not necessarily remain static in alternate universes look at Marvel as a prime example. They have characters that change gender, sexuality and even skin color between universes. Natani does not have to be Trans in every damn iteration - this coming from someone that IDENTIFIES as Trans.
Chiptunes and Chapters
2025-02-02 11:01:17 +0000 UTCMany thanks to You, Everlight, for sharing this with us! In my eyes this is a very sensitive description of a trans person without using the word itself. And it's made clear that Natani is still that way even after the link is broken. Tom leaves it open whether and what effects the link had (it's not important to him for the status quo), so we can interpret it further. The fact that Nat sometimes finds his female body attractive as a man and that this confuses him: a nice insight that makes the character even more interesting. Also for me this shows Toms very natural view on the topic: Nat being as he is is just the same as Red having red hair and its woven into the story to evolve. As I said elsewhere: I‘m looking forward for the further unfolding of the story and perhaps we also someday will be presented with Nats extraordinary singing voice. Would be fun.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-02-01 09:35:15 +0000 UTC"Natani has the mind of a guy and that's how he sees himself. He doesn't know the first thing about women or what they're like and thus doesn't relate to them at all. He doesn't actually hate his body even though he often says he does (in fact, as a guy, he finds his own body attractive, which is very confusing for him lol) Natani just hates that it changes how people see him. He doesn't want to be treated differently because of it. How and why it happened or whether it 'counts' isn't important to me. At the end of the day, a person is the culmination of their life experiences. Whether by choice or by magic, Natani is the way he is now, and the comic is about him trying to reconcile his mind and body. That's the conflict, and it's what makes the character interesting to me." Directly from the author, a'la a comment after i asked about natani's transmasc status on DA
Everlight ⨺⃝
2025-02-01 08:28:25 +0000 UTCYes, thank You, I would.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-02-01 04:45:16 +0000 UTCwould you take a direct statement from the author on this? cause i can show you one
Everlight ⨺⃝
2025-02-01 02:06:30 +0000 UTC???
Everlight ⨺⃝
2025-02-01 01:56:39 +0000 UTCThank You both for sharing Your thoughts with me! Please do not be disappointed if I do not answer on Your arguments here: I would not like to start the discussion anew at this place. Yes, there is no chance for privat talk here but if anybody likes to reach out, please use pastinak-speisen1t@icloud.com. p.s. I have found Nats ref sheet at Deviant Art, where it is not locked and I have the Art ... Book from Tom.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-31 16:05:33 +0000 UTCEven though I didn't argue about Natani's gender (only about appropriateness of aggressive pronouns policing) I couldn't help by read arguments from both sides. Some of them are new for me and I indulge myself in researching this topic itself more (like knowing the comic is not enough). I think you may want to know what I dug up, regarding character sheet and Tom's words, which are often brought up, but never cited. I got impression of you as a man of reason, so I'd like to share it with you. I couldn't find a way to DM you, seems like it isn't a feature on Patreon. But if you're interested you could provide another means to contact you.
Drazgon
2025-01-31 14:48:04 +0000 UTCWhat I appreciate about what you've been doing is reading and responding, sometimes in considerable detail (and hey, I do that). It's a bit of fresh air to engage in conversation with you when I'm not having to be some "pronoun police officer who has nothing but LGBTQ on his mind," which, seriously, if THAT'S what they take away from me, they don't get it at all. I'm not changing anyone's minds because that's something they have to do themselves, but I've had the pleasure of talking to one or two people on here who chose to listen and learn rather than just double down, which I appreciated since I'm amongst those coming from a personal place, and it's also for that reason that I cannot simply just keep quiet or ignore something I take offense to. If it isn't called out, it's enabling harmful views and behavior which, I suspect, will only get worse with the way things are going in the world today. You're doing good, Joshu! I look forward to more conversations in the future :)
AlaricLives87
2025-01-31 11:22:44 +0000 UTCI agree. I wouldn't also mind this kind of talk in a bar with a beer, or on a forum. But not here. Here it's inappropriate. Because there is a time and place for such talks. I think Tom would be upset if he saw these heated arguments of people, oozing with self-righteousness and contempt or even hate. Those topics are important to discuss, no doubt, but not here. You don't discuss that on funeral or comedy shows. Like those hecklers who interrupt a comic on stage with smth like "my friends are dying in Palestine". To 'Bring Awareness', that how those holy warriors of light call it. It just straight up poisons people's experience. I would just feel bad about myself if I continue participating in this arguing here, feel bad for annoying all other fellow Tom's art enjoyers who come here not to discuss something important. So I won't do it anymore.
Drazgon
2025-01-31 09:16:29 +0000 UTCThese were heated discussions on a serious background on an somewhat inappropriate platform. I am confident that the outcome would have been more satisfying for everyone if we had had them in person with a beer or two in our hands. I think very few people here will change their position and that's not my aim: I'm not a missionary. But I hope that some of us have perhaps been given a little food for thought. Just my two cents in the hope of a conciliatory conclusion. I think it's important to stay open minded and keep the conversation going, even on such controversial topics.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-31 07:55:56 +0000 UTCHe’s still the same guy, but now he’s closeted due to societal restrictions and familial pressures which make for a more conventional experience that some fans, including myself, recognize and relate all too painfully well to
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 21:53:09 +0000 UTC@ Daemon Blitzkrieg. I’d give you a slow clap building to full on clap if I could. I’ll never understand why it’s so hard for people to understand that other interpretations are possible, and that people can actually get along without agreeing on some things.
ArtAnimationFan
2025-01-30 21:51:06 +0000 UTCIt’s not so much that the character changes, but the experiences that formed a characteristic changes.
ArtAnimationFan
2025-01-30 21:39:10 +0000 UTCThe only people I block are the ones that can’t agree to disagree. I know many people are defensive of Natani based on their interpretations of events and similarities to their own life, but say one word that slightly contradicts their viewpoints, and they immediately label and shame you. Gives a vibe of “the only good interpretation is my interpretation”.
ArtAnimationFan
2025-01-30 21:35:04 +0000 UTC@ Netari - But there SHOULDN'T be a fight, at all, if T folk would leave Masculine Female & Effeminate Male characters alone; and stop being so pushy towards ANYONE who disagrees with their ideology + false phobia. I'm sure if they tried they'd find their own proper representation in media (and there are PLENTY) + thrive, but NO, they always go for the Tomboys & Femboys; not characters who actually committed to a sex change. Like no other sexuality forces themselves into everything like Ts do. And I mean EVERYTHING. :/ Then Come On!! The name of the TwoKinds game is Gender Shenanigans. How can anyone be so infuriatingly whiny when yes, Sometimes, the genders & sexes do match up for the joke in question. This is supposed to be all in good fun, but Genderism right now keeps stepping on everyone's toes, which in turn makes People (who never cared to begin with) start to Hate them. And by "Hate" I mean their Actions, NOT the people themselves. 'coz I'm Fairly Certain none of us here Actually hates (a) Transgendered/Sexual person/people. Everybody here, especially in this comment string + a few more, have been pretty chill with this pushiness. Guess who thinks otherwise tho?? :/ Last Bit on this: Until Natani has an OFFICIAL Sex Change in the canon of this comic (which I highly, HIGHLY doubt it), I refuse to continue to entertain anymore forced ideologies & genderisms. Have a problem with me & others standing against such pushes?? The block button is over yonder. Good Day.
Daemon Blitzkrieg
2025-01-30 20:20:40 +0000 UTCWhat some fail to grasp here, or choose to ignore in favor of using their anti-trans licenses on account of this being an AU like I expected they would, is that as the main comic made clear Natani saw himself as a guy before the link was established with his brother. Here, obviously, his soul was never fractured, but that hasn’t changed his gender. Between dodging his parents suggestions regarding becoming a parent, and that “dead” look in his eye, the implications are that while the environment and circumstances for the brothers have changed, Natani has not, could arguably be worse, and the equivalent of having one’s soul fractured. That’s what being in the closet for too long can do to you.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 19:03:06 +0000 UTCThere surely is an AU where this will not happen ;). But for this time I got the feeling everything is already said, even if not yet by everyone.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 18:16:04 +0000 UTCWhat would be the point of an AU if not only the environment but also the character were to change completely? That would be arbitrary. But the points of view are very different here. Be it so.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 18:10:19 +0000 UTCI’m on the side that embraces trans representation in the comic and welcomes LGBTQ+ fans and allies alike. I won’t give credit to transphobia.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 18:07:24 +0000 UTCNetari, I *think* it was Clovis's link that stabilized Natani allowing him to survive long enough for the missing piece of his soul to resurface on the initial temporary block of the link. It also allowed his remerging of that part when Clovis forcibly snapped the link later. As for Nayana's heterochromia, maybe my screen is off a bit, but the colors seem to be very similar and light, possibly attributable to lighting, and fits with a comment I had made later in a different comment thread for this colored sketch...
wjd1206
2025-01-30 18:05:01 +0000 UTCImho its never said that Nats soul is totaly whole again after the link was torn, but page 930 might give a hint, what is ment to happen. On the other hand: that is what Nat and young Nat are thinking, we will see how the story goes on.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 17:54:35 +0000 UTCfucking based alaric?? keep it up
riya hivestuck
2025-01-30 17:38:01 +0000 UTCPlease could You say what exactly is vulgar at riyas text? Trans, trans gender or trans sexual is imho the correct term for people whose gender identity does not match their biological sex.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 17:32:24 +0000 UTCIt’s called being in the closet. Doesn’t change who he is, but makes things equally difficult living as a transmasc character in this AU. To be fair.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 17:25:10 +0000 UTCTo be totally fair. This is an AU where Nat is not trans, so going by those terms Nat is she here. To be totally fair.
1 week ago
2025-01-30 17:16:03 +0000 UTCLol
Isaiah James
2025-01-30 17:10:28 +0000 UTCtrans????
riya hivestuck
2025-01-30 17:09:26 +0000 UTCstop using that vulgar word, please
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 17:05:54 +0000 UTCI think it'll be Alaric, as in this version of the universe it was Alaric who was Exiled an not Keith but that's just a theory A COMIC THEORY!
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 17:05:18 +0000 UTCwon't matter as Keith or Alaric will show up soon.
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 17:04:32 +0000 UTCSad that this will be used as another reason to start a comment fight..... over the 'T' word
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 17:03:53 +0000 UTCI think you were address I just wanted to point ut i mentioned the soul merge/link which has now in the current comic been broken and Nat's soul has been fixed by something or perhaps as stated that Nat's soul was only temporarily damaged and Clovis used the opportunity to his advantage...
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 17:03:13 +0000 UTCUnfortunatly untill one detail is fixed any sketch or picture with NAt will start some sort of fight..
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 17:00:33 +0000 UTCNote on eye color, I realize there is no corelation between the comic/au kiedren and real life animals, however, brown and blue eyes in real life indicate domestic dogs, wolves tend to have yellow eyes with blue eyes at birth. There is also a far less common pale green eye color in wolves that some say comes from the progression to yellow stopping early in some animals. I've always found the green ones beautifully enthralling...
wjd1206
2025-01-30 15:49:23 +0000 UTCThen I'll just keep doing this again, again, and again. Get used to it, sweetie
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 15:17:11 +0000 UTCMaybe....,though, I don't see Alaric and Natani together, Alarics attitude, how he is, dosmet seem like something natani would be interested in at all, that's why she Likes Keith perhapse, not as complicated
Isaiah James
2025-01-30 15:15:54 +0000 UTCmaybe Nat can use hearts desire in the future and not be stopped.
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 15:10:23 +0000 UTCNo.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-30 15:07:38 +0000 UTCI just did. Please use the correct pronouns. He/him.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 15:04:59 +0000 UTCWe are not doing this again.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-30 14:54:14 +0000 UTCWell, a simple Google search of Natani + reference sheet would help some people, but most have already seen the reference sheet, despite any claims to the contrary. They know, they don't care. I do speak specifically of those who are just transphobes. Nothing except the denial of trans representation will do for them. You will have some who may not understand, and the more they listen, the more they learn, and something genuinely productive comes out of it, but it's rare.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 14:12:59 +0000 UTCYes, the reference sheet is the best source, but if You are no patreon, it‘s locked. You have to dive in the deeps of the net to find it nonetheless. I have an idea, why Daemon may have mentioned it, but I don’t want to make any assumptions. By the way: also in his Art and evolution … Book Tom refers to Nat has he. [leaning back growling: Quite, Tom, do your trans-friendly writings quickly or there will be no dinner again this evening … coming back to the keyboard] Sorry, if existent this rant is so dumb it can only be reacted on by deep, dark sarcasm. 😁 Now I would like to make an assumption: I think, what You wrote is exactly why Nat is who he is in Toms twokinds comic. And this also is why he is one of my personal favorites in the crew. Never thought I would discuss such serious matters in a comentary chat of a web comic. But hey …
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 14:06:00 +0000 UTCThe reference sheet is easily accessible and is often cited as THE key source of information regarding Natani's trans status. I also think it's equally notable, perhaps more telling, that Tom has used he/him pronouns recently when talking about the character while reiterating that his sex and gender do not align. These facts are either ignored by transphobes, or they spin some conspiratorial rant that Tom is being held hostage by a woke mob he doesn't want to upset. It's as amusing as it is dumb. Also, aside from the personal umbrage I take due to being reminded of the homophobia I've endured, there are trans fans who love the character. They are making themselves seen here and elsewhere. These jerks would make them feel unwelcomed and I cannot stand that.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 13:27:31 +0000 UTCHe.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-30 12:13:51 +0000 UTC… yes, that is Nats saying in the sketch, but for a reason. At least in my personal perception.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 10:05:42 +0000 UTCSorry, no offence ment here by me, I just mixed up Nayana and Nat answering on Nat instead on Nayana who was ment by the starter of the thread. Now I also see Nayanas wonderfull green and bluegreen eyes as perhaps being a reference to Nats grey and brown eye. Which is to have a visible sign for the mind link. The last one was mentioned by Tom in „The art and evolution of twokinds“ on page 3 were he stated that Nat was first planned to have a grey streak instead. Sorry no source for the background of Nayanas heterochromia known by me, thought. Or am I not the one adressed, as I see only two of your comments after mine but nothing in between?
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 09:59:26 +0000 UTCPerhaps there will be more answers, and be it just to see more from Koan.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 09:34:36 +0000 UTCI see I missed the point about people who completely tune out some messages due to being personally hurt or upset. Yes, I can follow along here and I'm not sure how I would react in such a situation if I were truly personally affected by an issue that elicits the same reactions every time. You have to pick and choose the battles you want to fight and the relative anonymity of forums and chats certainly doesn't provide the best basis for achieving anything.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 08:52:59 +0000 UTCin this sketch instead of Keith it's his friend Alaric, i think that's what his name was :P
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 08:13:57 +0000 UTC*mother as stated in the sketch
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 08:12:55 +0000 UTCI hate to be that guy ,but did you read the whole comment or just the part you felt like I did mention the soul merge..
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 08:12:18 +0000 UTCOkay that's just wrong.
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 08:08:52 +0000 UTCMust be but i wondered if anybody else knew...
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-30 08:08:36 +0000 UTCI can see Nat becoming a really good farmer. She got the drive to be in the shape for that hard labor.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-30 06:48:11 +0000 UTCThanks Alaric! Then both can no longer see each other's messages when one is blocked. Somehow fair, but it leads to people walling themselves up even more in their own bubble and no longer even noticing other opinions. Together with the selective search algorithms on the internet, this also leads to an alienation that is not good for our societies. We can see the consequences everywhere today. Oops, I did it again ;). Having said that, I've never blocked anyone in chats or forums in my life and I won't do it either. Nobody can claim to have the truth for themselves and good arguments should at least be weighed up - there is no obligation to adopt the position of the discussion partner straight away. Partner, not opponent, at least as long as the conversation is polite and fact based. Oh, one more thing: I took a closer look at Nat's ref sheet and imho (I don't walk the talk) it is a very empathetic and neutral description of a trans person: the perceived gender is different from the biological one (gender <> sex) and as far as possible all things are suppressed that relate to the biological gender that is perceived as wrong (bandages, suppression of smell, suppression of the female reactions here and the fun fact about the singing voice, which Nat also finds too feminine). Nothing about the mind link may play a role causing this mismatch here and no restrictions in “time and space”. So the ref sheet supports my arguments even better than the character sheet available to everyone, which only contains Gender: Male. But perhaps the Demon had some other source in mind ...
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-30 06:01:09 +0000 UTCAgain, Tom doesn't draw graphic detail.
RivCA
2025-01-29 23:45:13 +0000 UTCWhich was what I knew some of them would do, but the worst of them have blocked me because they know I'd keep calling out their BS. Refusing to see the darker implications of this otherwise "happy" AU just so they can claim Natani isn't trans is stupid. If you block someone, you will not see their posts, and they cannot see yours. I haven't blocked a single person on here. They do the job for me, which says a lot more about their (lack of) characters, specifically their reasons for doing it. I'm sympathetic to those who might be hurt or annoyed enough by transphobia that they'd tune it out completely though.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-29 20:41:35 +0000 UTCWhat I‘m thinking of is the Character Sheet on the keenspot comic page. Edit: found the Ref Sheet: Sex: Female, Gender: Male, but no further explanation. This might not be accessible for everyone. But do to Your liking, I‘m no missionair. Good day to You too
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-29 20:26:27 +0000 UTCYou mean the same ref sheet that clearly states Natani is a Female w/ a Masculine mentality, and why that is?? 🧐 Unless, there's something else... I'll be dropping this. Good day 🙏🏾
Daemon Blitzkrieg
2025-01-29 20:16:58 +0000 UTCWell, then we have different views on the comic, which is fine for me. And the only testimony I know of that always can be accessed by everyone is Nats character sheet. Other sources seems to be pointless here, as they can not be checked by everyone and would remain hearsay.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-29 20:09:50 +0000 UTCHard to judge, as his fathers eyes are not clearly drawn in the sketch or page 1226. Also I don’t know any other picture of Koan. But what else should it be?
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-29 20:00:23 +0000 UTCThis testimony you speak of, may I see it? Pretty sure I understand the comic itself already tho.
Daemon Blitzkrieg
2025-01-29 19:55:59 +0000 UTCOh, nothing bad, just a different interpretation. If I were to exaggerate, it would be a denial of the fact that Nat is also a transperson in this AU. Concerning blocking: do I understand you correctly: if I block someone here, it doesn't mean that I can no longer read their messages, but that they can no longer see mine? That would be a perfidious function: if I block everyone who has a different opinion to the one I propagate, my post remains unchallenged for uninvolved readers? Just because those who might disagree cannot see the statement at all? If so, I’m a little bit shocked, as this would contradict what I see as the purpose of commenting. :(
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-29 19:51:36 +0000 UTCSo then the question remains how did Nat get brown eyes? Does that come from her father?
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-29 19:15:07 +0000 UTCthen again in the comic her eyes are closed.
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-29 19:12:39 +0000 UTCIt's a joke boi, ya missed it, flew right past ya, gotta stay on your toes, toes that is...
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-29 19:11:58 +0000 UTC*sighs* I'm sorry about whatever they're subjecting you to (though I can take a wild guess it has something to do with spouting anti-trans nonsense). I wouldn't know what they're saying since they took the coward's way out and blocked me over calling them out
AlaricLives87
2025-01-29 19:05:23 +0000 UTCThat's your interpretation, Daemon, and it's just as valid as mine. However, I think you are ignoring some facts that are covered by Tom's testimony and the comic. If the picture stood alone, I would probably judge the same as you... but it has a context.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-29 18:22:33 +0000 UTC?? Nat's eyes are of Dread: being uncomfortable with the question, the thoughts that follow said question, and parental pressure to conceive when they obviously don't want to. A classic reaction, to say the least & doesn't/shouldn't go any deeper than that. :/
Daemon Blitzkrieg
2025-01-29 18:03:02 +0000 UTCWe need more compassion, and I'm heartened to see it here
AlaricLives87
2025-01-29 16:58:29 +0000 UTC@Joshu <3 The only people who'll mind your compassion here are those who lack it.
Fukata
2025-01-29 16:45:28 +0000 UTCNever stop writing too much <3
AlaricLives87
2025-01-29 13:29:05 +0000 UTCKoan: [takes out a pistol] I said, "Find one." Natani: (gulp)
SCD
2025-01-29 11:47:42 +0000 UTCTom confirmed Nat's still a guy here, even if he doesn't realize it (yet).
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-29 09:36:59 +0000 UTCAttempt at an image analysis. When I saw AU - Nayana and Koan Live for the first time, I commented “Heartwarming”. Now there's the color version and also based on the discussions here, the “simple comic image” has been on my mind quite a bit. Yes, grandparents and grandchildren are heart-warming. But next to them is Natani. He's the only one who, from what I can tell, is wearing typical Wolf-Keidran male clothing (see also Koan in Nat's memories on page 1226 of the comic) and the eyes speak volumes: I don't think Tom drew empty pupils here by accident. While a family idyll is shown here, Nat is on the sidelines, somehow not a part of it (although I think he's a very good uncle to his nieces and nephews, without perhaps being able to use the word in this AU). And: thoughtless words from loved ones hit the hardest. I now think that Alaric's picture of the closet fits much better than I perceived it at the beginning. And if I've learned anything from the sketches and the comics, it's that Tom rarely leaves details to chance. One interpretation and certainly one of many possible ones. But I would like to thank Tom as an artist as well as Alaric, Lago24, puugu and many other co-discussants (but also my daughter and her boyfriend) who have given me an insight that was initially foreign to me, but now seems quite natural if you want to treat your fellow human beings with appreciation. As Alaric wrote: “Well written characters can speak to people like this does” - if you want to listen and have some support. What do I always say? I write too much.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-29 06:12:53 +0000 UTC@Glenn Sellers Exactly. Natani doesn't have words for what he's going through at the moment and the family has known him since birth as a female, so "I would make a terrible mother" is the only way he can easily explain the extreme antipathy that he has for the idea of romance as a female, let alone childbirth. The choice of clothing and this fear show that the dysphoria is still there, just manifesting in a different way in a different environment.
Iago24
2025-01-29 05:26:01 +0000 UTC@Glenn Sellers - Trans people generally would prefer to be referred to as their true gender rather than gender assigned at birth (and their real name rather than deadname), even in historical contexts where they had been identifying as a different gender at the time. Both because misgendering them causes dysphoria, and because all the current evidence seems to indicate that transness is inherent from birth, so they were always trans even though it takes a while to figure it out (with all of society telling you you're something else). So here in this AU, Natani might not identify as a guy yet (that's why he says mother) - but since we know he will, 'he' is more correct. Figured an explanation might help since this one might not be obvious to everyone. Especially since only in fiction can the time-shifted gender be from the future.
Fukata
2025-01-29 03:33:05 +0000 UTCI think Natani has a bright future in front of her. She has a full, loving happy family and great potential. Of course this likely means that the universe has to compensate by having some other poor random Keidran Family and village be destroyed. Karmic balance
Spillthefire6
2025-01-29 02:47:31 +0000 UTC@RivCA No need to be judgmental, Twokinds is generally a thirst trap after all.
Argonwolf
2025-01-29 02:46:14 +0000 UTCGood work Tom 🥰🥰🥰
Mr great ape
2025-01-29 01:56:30 +0000 UTCBeautiful scene! Lots of joy, and some sorrow. Great art makes us think. Well done!
Ordithus
2025-01-29 01:47:23 +0000 UTCTom doesn't draw graphic detail like that. Stop asking. You may want to pick your brain up from the gutter, while you're at it.
RivCA
2025-01-29 01:42:25 +0000 UTCI mean that zen is naked and has no willie
Nate
2025-01-29 00:30:06 +0000 UTCAsk and shall be received X)
AlaricLives87
2025-01-29 00:04:42 +0000 UTCI'm happy to hear that <3 Keep being you!
AlaricLives87
2025-01-29 00:04:22 +0000 UTCAs well as can be expected, hah. At least this specific struggle is behind me. c:
KateGirault
2025-01-28 23:59:52 +0000 UTCIt hits hard. I hope you're doing well today!
AlaricLives87
2025-01-28 23:55:29 +0000 UTCThe sad look on Nat's face, oof. I remember those days.
KateGirault
2025-01-28 23:45:24 +0000 UTCI think they have sheaths that hide the actual length. It is confirmed that they have 6 nipples, so this anatomy wouldn't be unexpected.
Bryce Murray
2025-01-28 23:41:35 +0000 UTCWe need an answer!
AlaricLives87
2025-01-28 23:22:00 +0000 UTCOh, I see. Even though Nat says "he" would make a terrible mother? Okay.
Glenn Sellers
2025-01-28 23:17:08 +0000 UTCWell, I did say he was looking for his long, lost fiance.
Glenn Sellers
2025-01-28 23:15:53 +0000 UTCAnd I'll note it AGAIN by emphasizing just how good a sketch it is to elicit such emotions.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-28 23:02:53 +0000 UTCOf course you MUST note this AGAIN. And again...
Drazgon
2025-01-28 22:56:23 +0000 UTCDo wolfs not have willies
Nate
2025-01-28 22:36:59 +0000 UTCand, from experiences with other characters people like to THRUST labels onto them: It will always be sorta bad. Best to ignore them best you can. Also, (obviously)Tomboy Natani ftw ~~
Daemon Blitzkrieg
2025-01-28 22:33:42 +0000 UTCAh, that’s her name!
Your name
2025-01-28 22:09:49 +0000 UTCbuddy, Zen’s got a wife here
Your name
2025-01-28 21:49:55 +0000 UTCI don’t wanna be starting by something, but would Keith have a reason to be travelling outside the fox village in this au?
Your name
2025-01-28 21:48:08 +0000 UTCA big happy family!
Jonathan
2025-01-28 21:46:11 +0000 UTCRogue 'Zenny' spotted! xD
Zenny
2025-01-28 21:39:09 +0000 UTCTom confirmed Nat's still a guy here, even if he doesn't realize it (yet).
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-28 20:53:59 +0000 UTCIt was really loud on the sketch of this piece though.
1 week ago
2025-01-28 20:34:46 +0000 UTCI don’t know, seems pretty quiet to me. Then again, I did block everyone who couldn’t respect my opinions, so who knows how quiet it really is.
ArtAnimationFan
2025-01-28 20:33:57 +0000 UTCOffhand I'd say that both of the guys married up. Maybe Natani will accidentally find herself far from home and meeting a short Basitin who's looking for his long lost fiance and find herself strangely attracted to this long eared guy.
Glenn Sellers
2025-01-28 19:59:31 +0000 UTCTen minutes later, Keith stumbles up to the fence. He is dusty and sweaty from the road, desperate for food, and half-delirious from thirst, barely able to articulate a plea for aid. Natani: "DIBS!"
Anonymous1988
2025-01-28 19:21:11 +0000 UTCIf I remember well this was caused by the soul link to Zen in the comic: one grey and one brown eye. But help me please: in the sketch only one of Nats eyes is visible … Edit: Oh, got it: Nayana, not Nat and also to be seen at page 1226 of the comic. My fault.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-28 19:10:56 +0000 UTC„How difficult things are becoming“ … As I wrote: a shame. Currently, a frightening number of people in a frightening number of countries are prepared to hold the stirrups to absolutely inhumane forces because they are apparently not prepared to come a little bit out of their comfort zone for the benefit of many, if not all, in order to do their part in the success of the big game. You just have to reassure them that it's the others' fault, that they don't have to move an inch in their self-righteousness and that the big, strong leaders will do it their way. Please forgive me if I get political here, but I can't remain silent: I would be guilty if I do. And also, I'm writing too much again.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-28 19:05:53 +0000 UTCPoor Natani, his eyes look even sadder in color.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-28 19:02:18 +0000 UTC*hugs to AlaricLives*
Markius Fox
2025-01-28 18:34:33 +0000 UTCIt was/is a fate I still have to live depending on who I’m around, sometimes when I’m just by myself due to trauma, and that says nothing of trans fans and what they’ve gone through and just how difficult things are becoming. Well written characters can speak to people like this does
AlaricLives87
2025-01-28 18:25:51 +0000 UTCHmmm ...gl with that one, although I do hope the same. 🤔🙏🏾
Daemon Blitzkrieg
2025-01-28 18:23:24 +0000 UTCBeautiful scene, beautiful characters, sad it's not the true timeline. 'coz everyone just happy & thriving,was it should be, no shenanigans in sight. Well done Tom ~ 💖
Daemon Blitzkrieg
2025-01-28 18:21:33 +0000 UTCGuys please no war in the comments 🙏
1 week ago
2025-01-28 18:14:11 +0000 UTCshe does i didn't notice that in the comic...that's kinda a refrence to Nat though that was due to the temporary soul merge.
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-28 17:59:36 +0000 UTCThis is the timeline where Nat teases Zen about his girlfriend instead of Zen teasing nat about Keith.
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-28 17:58:44 +0000 UTCYou may be right, Alaric, but as we do know next to nothing about this AU, there is still hope things will come out good for him there also. On the other hand I got the feeling that You are at least partly refering to rl fates of real people and for our modern world these fates are a shame.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-28 17:57:03 +0000 UTCi'm certain it could be keith as he may have stumbled upon this place and have liked it so he visited more regularly maybe even stayed for a day or 2 then stumbled on natani
silver dragonia
2025-01-28 17:50:28 +0000 UTCThis turned out great. Amazing job. 👍
Colin Algire
2025-01-28 17:50:05 +0000 UTCAs Puugu already said: that‘s not correct. You will also find this in the comic when Nat meets his younger self.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-28 17:47:06 +0000 UTCHe’s still himself, but very much in the closet
AlaricLives87
2025-01-28 17:43:16 +0000 UTCHis eyes, which also answers your question, too
AlaricLives87
2025-01-28 17:42:43 +0000 UTCTom confirmed in the livestream that Nat would feel the same about his gender. It's something inherit to Nat, not something stemming from the mindlink
Puugu
2025-01-28 17:42:07 +0000 UTCNayana has heterochromia? That's a nice detail, great drawing Tom!
Leonnard Aleph-Nought
2025-01-28 17:41:34 +0000 UTCThis came out beautifully, but I must again note how bittersweet this AU is. Nat is living an internalized, personal hell and you can see it in his eyes. Painfully relatable, especially when you feel trapped having to live up to societal norms, expectations, AND restrictions as an LGBTQ+ individual. Not to mention, his parents.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-28 17:40:49 +0000 UTCDouble congrats!
AlaricLives87
2025-01-28 17:36:41 +0000 UTCThere would have been no sharing of one soul so Nat would have been her
Timmainsson
2025-01-28 17:33:40 +0000 UTCThose who doubt their suitability as parents often turn out to be the best because they consciously try to achieve the best. And so I also got the feeling that Nat would be an exellent *parent*.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-28 17:32:42 +0000 UTCI love this!!! Thank you everyone!!
Carter
2025-01-28 17:26:32 +0000 UTCA good family scene! Sad it's an au but still wonderful and as RemyHindle said even greater in color! But I think Nat is wrong. He'd make an excellent *parent* because love of family knows no gender boundaries!
wjd1206
2025-01-28 17:25:12 +0000 UTCI wonder what’s going through Nat‘s right now because of that look in her eyes? The colouring is perfect in this scene!
Gigafur
2025-01-28 17:23:59 +0000 UTCSo cute, glad this one got color voted so fast,who would natanis mate be? Keith or someone else you think? Iam still thinking Keith, but then again these Au posts can be a bit of a fun mystery, so it could be anyone for natani, mayne a character we don't know about
Isaiah James
2025-01-28 17:19:21 +0000 UTCi like the idea that even if natani never realized hes trans he would still be the one wearing the most clothes to cover up.
riya hivestuck
2025-01-28 17:18:45 +0000 UTCFor those wondering, Zen's wife, Lilith, appeared first in 2017: https://www.patreon.com/c/twokinds/posts?filters%5Btag%5D=Lilith
J. N. Squire
2025-01-28 17:15:29 +0000 UTCLilith, that appeared first in this drawing: https://www.patreon.com/posts/8392993
J. N. Squire
2025-01-28 17:13:00 +0000 UTCThanks bro🤝
Emil Jensen
2025-01-28 17:11:44 +0000 UTCShe’s right next to him her name is Lilith
HarmonicTwilight256
2025-01-28 17:11:17 +0000 UTCThat’s a good one!
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-28 17:10:32 +0000 UTCNoice
Twokinds fan
2025-01-28 17:09:41 +0000 UTCA life that could've been, it looks even greater in color! :)
RemyHindle
2025-01-28 17:09:38 +0000 UTCWe need to know who zen wife is!?
Emil Jensen
2025-01-28 17:09:15 +0000 UTC
