Portrait Denied
Added 2025-01-11 18:47:35 +0000 UTCFlora and Natani threaten to throw Eric overboard for asking to "draw" them, suggested by M3gawatchmast3r!
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Ah yes, the "fuck you, I got mine" gay. The only reason you're even legally allowed to be with your boyfriend, without being arrested or killed, is because of the LGBT community fighting together for those rights. You ought to break up with your boyfriend, seeing as your hate towards trans people is more important to you than your love towards him. And speaking of community, the Twokinds community is inherently pro LGBTQ, so you really aren't welcome here.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-15 08:30:41 +0000 UTCIt's more like you're not gay, either. You like men, but it doesn't have a label, and the real problem is LGBTQ+ people, amirite? If we all had just never gotten gay marriage, stayed in the closet, and kept to ourselves rather than finding family, strength, and solidarity in each other, the heteros could have kept pretending we didn't exist, and everyone would have gotten along better! Right? Shame on you.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-15 02:05:45 +0000 UTCMr Alaric like I said I don't relate at all to the community. It is NOT my community, I am just gay not LGBT+, that is it.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-15 01:48:08 +0000 UTCIf you think the far right won't come after you next, you're delusional. And both Alaric and I are cis, but thanks for showing your true colors. Good, for you and your hated is not welcome in this community.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-14 17:54:51 +0000 UTCI was actually thinking more of Richard Pryor’s character of the Preacher, especially in the movie Jo Jo Dancer, Your Life Is Calling. When he gives his own eulogy.
Michael Marcoccio
2025-01-14 17:49:58 +0000 UTCAs someone who was bullied into lifelong trauma and internalized homophobia for being gay, I treat better onto others rather than how I was treated, particularly those who belong to our community, friends and family, and who have every right to be acknowledged and treated with respect and dignity. YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-14 17:33:17 +0000 UTCTo be honest, it doesn't really matter to me whether it's a man with a man or a woman with a woman. Everyone should love whoever they like. If you look at history, same-sex relationships have existed for thousands of years.
Eridrake
2025-01-14 17:18:23 +0000 UTCThen the buzz words came out, you must be a trans man, always have little dood energy. And Mr Alaric, I am gay and I was bullied into accepting into the front hole. The LGBT is making us look like deviants when all I want is not to be judged being with my boy friend. I will point to the recent election to show how the majority is starting to feel about the activits behavior. I am now done shitting up Tom's comment section with spurging.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-14 16:37:16 +0000 UTCThis sounds like Monty Python
Argonwolf
2025-01-14 15:24:03 +0000 UTCNuclear launch detected...
Argonwolf
2025-01-14 15:20:58 +0000 UTCThis gay is amongst the many Lesbians, Gays, and Bisexuals who see and welcome the Trans and Queers into the family we call LGBTQ+ If it’s looney to look out for each other and stick up for one another, then bring on the straight jackets (which I hear are quite comfortable). Deal with the gender stuff.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-14 12:49:49 +0000 UTCAnd there's the blatant transphobic hatespeech, it always comes out in the end. You clearly don't need any help to look like a loony, you got that covered pretty well yourself.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-14 08:16:54 +0000 UTCYes, you made the point. Perhaps I‘m to harsh against Eric.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-14 07:40:43 +0000 UTCId‘d like to ask for some more respect in discussion. As I see Nat and Keith as complex characters (and like them for that), things might not be that easy. It is said in canon that with the reunification with the mind shard of Youngtani Nat is able to accept his ‚girly‘ feelings - as he puts it - more as before. So the things said here are not completly wrong in my eyes. But Natani sees himself still as a boy and being able to work with the girly part of his self only makes him even stronger. Just my two cents.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-14 07:31:54 +0000 UTCI still don't care, you TQ's make us gays and lesbians look like a bunch of loonies.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-14 04:14:57 +0000 UTCHe let Kat persuade him to not turn them for a bag of cash in to guards looking for them. On Islands he literally battled basitin general for them. He risked his neck, reputation, business when freed slaves on Flora's whim.
Drazgon
2025-01-13 15:58:08 +0000 UTCFIXED :X
AlaricLives87
2025-01-13 13:28:08 +0000 UTCExcept that's incorrect, it's been confirmed that Nat's masculine feelings and male identity all came from himself, and that the black magic and soul meld had no impact on that. Zen just thought so, and that belief was what got carried over. As Tom himself said, Natani has the mind of a guy and that's how he sees himself. He doesn't know the first thing about women or what they're like and thus doesn't relate to them at all. That's a direct quote, by the way. Referring to Nat as female is not only disrespectful towards the character, as he's explicitly stated several times that he wants to be seen as the guy he is, and not a woman, but also to all the queer fans who relate to him. Natani is a trans man, and that's non-debatable.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-13 13:11:24 +0000 UTCI take it as hear, hear ☺️
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-13 09:56:15 +0000 UTCThrough the spiritual connection with her brother, Natani felt male, but this connection, which was once established by Clovis, was severed by Clovis in the last battle. Afterwards, Natani found a younger part of herself inside herself, with which she then united, which is why she no longer needed the connection with her brother. If you take this into account, it is possible that Natani could feel more feminine again.
Eridrake
2025-01-13 09:37:45 +0000 UTCThere's no argument, only confirmed fact. Natani's said numerous times that's he's a guy, Tom says he's a trans guy, and his ref sheet says he's a guy. There's no legitimate, non transphobic arguement for anything else.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-13 08:50:34 +0000 UTCTo be fair those bios haven't been updated in 15 years.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-13 07:58:57 +0000 UTCOK, that makes things so much worse for the asshat!
RivCA
2025-01-13 04:51:58 +0000 UTCEric always take the next step.
eddi_TBH
2025-01-13 04:09:19 +0000 UTCNow, if he’d asked Natani and Kathrin…
Asura
2025-01-12 20:03:07 +0000 UTCHear hear
AlaricLives87
2025-01-12 19:42:08 +0000 UTCDoesn't Natani still identify as male? His info hasn't been changed on the website.
Alexis The Arctic Kitune
2025-01-12 18:22:23 +0000 UTCI don't care this about this argument, it has been going on for about 20 years now. I don't do the gender stuff imo.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-12 18:11:06 +0000 UTCsuprised they didnt do this sooner
Doo r
2025-01-12 16:34:39 +0000 UTCI am absolutely with you on that, Alaric. To say it with my love for language: we are all embers of the same flame. No one is bad or wrong because of their origin, skin color or sexual orientation. We should treat everyone with respect so that they don't feel uncomfortable in our presence. And for me, this also applies to imaginary characters, onto whom you can project so much and on whom you can cool your heels. And often enough you find this later on in the streets. But back now to lighter topics. The minute men will ride again, if this will be necessary.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-12 16:26:22 +0000 UTCHe might not have. Tastefully done softcore porn can be straight...
Brendon Freshner
2025-01-12 16:15:47 +0000 UTCAnd they carried him with their hands down the road. Equipped him with an anchor and short chain and threw him in the river
Michael Weskamp
2025-01-12 14:44:08 +0000 UTCI couldn't agree more, Joshu! I wish we didn't have to do this almost every other week. Still, so long as some will insist on using the wrong pronouns and feminizing the character (and no misunderstanding, they know what they're doing, and it's gross), something needs to be said, even if it has to be repeated again and again. If someone has an issue with a trans character, that suggests they have a problem with trans fans, and who is to say they don't have a problem with other gay characters then, and by extension, gay fans like myself? I have no issues with talking things out and helping some who might not understand educate themselves better if that were so desired. Heck, I try and gaysplain that there is nothing wrong with finding an LGBTQ character attractive, which changes nothing about one's orientation, and fanservice need not be diminished, either. It can be improved with more positivity! But it's repeatedly made clear to me that some people don't want to listen and are intent on being malicious.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-12 14:30:22 +0000 UTCYes, you're right, of course. But would he deserve that?
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-12 13:16:23 +0000 UTCYeah but it has a better " you died" ring to it over " Thrown overboard"
Kai Sörensen
2025-01-12 12:53:50 +0000 UTCAm I the only one who finds it a shame when discussions about the treatment of trans people break out here at every opportunity? Even if they are only sparked by misunderstandings due to the medium, for me it shows that our societies still have a lot of catching up to do. But as long as Nat sees himself as a guy he should be threated as such, even if he is an anime character only. Sorry, no offence meant, but I got the feeling I had to take my stand here.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-12 10:25:20 +0000 UTCNatani's not a girl. And keep in mind that this is from before Eric found out about Natani, before you go "But Eric..."
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-12 10:00:38 +0000 UTCExcept it's confirmed that those factors had no influence on his gender identity. And get out of here with that fence-sitting "(s)he" bs, Nat's a guy, always has been, always will be, using female pronouns is never correct.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-12 09:56:06 +0000 UTCYou would have to change the arangement of the rope for that. On the other hand: this would leave a small chance to survive the procedure that is not given when thrown in the sea the way shown at the sketch … /Klugscheissmodus 😁
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-12 09:53:56 +0000 UTCYes, he did, but technically after the scene here, as the Na‘Rella is still intact and the warning came after Nat has saved Kat from the burning ship.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-12 09:49:51 +0000 UTCYou mean he was ready to risk his neck for the chance of lifting Floras tail? Or as Flora put it: a polite pervert 😁 But now let character development be given a chance …
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-12 09:45:27 +0000 UTCWell, we do not know, what the artist had in mind talking about the tastefull two-keidran portraits but this is on an intact Na‘Rella so looking at canon he should see Natani as a guy with the body of a guy.
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-12 09:41:13 +0000 UTCmagically flat wolf and small bust cat
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-12 06:33:19 +0000 UTCThe girls throwing out the trash :P poor Eric..
Netari Icefyng
2025-01-12 05:38:25 +0000 UTCDraw us like one of your French Keidran. F&K "Over your dead body!"
eddi_TBH
2025-01-12 04:13:41 +0000 UTCLove those "so done with this" expressions.
John Doe
2025-01-12 03:55:42 +0000 UTCI guess the biggest perv has the appreciation for lol flat cat, and busty wolf girl.
K_D Lawrence
2025-01-12 03:44:05 +0000 UTCWell (s)he has had 2 external factors thrown on the complexity pile. 1) having to play being male to get / keep the job (and not get killed for it) and 2) the mind link to Zen. Granted Youngtani seemed a bit in-between on the rack size.
Katfeathers
2025-01-12 03:17:12 +0000 UTCThe question I have is, How did Eric know that Natani is hiding a rockin' femme body? Before you go brandishing the pitchforks, I am well aware, but at the same time, HOW THE HECK DID HE KNOW?!
RivCA
2025-01-12 03:16:36 +0000 UTCAnd Flora's!
RivCA
2025-01-12 03:08:51 +0000 UTCFinally some one did it
Mr great ape
2025-01-12 02:23:03 +0000 UTCYou don't say? Well, trans experiences aren't all identical, which makes every person and(or) character unique and seen.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-12 02:20:12 +0000 UTCHow ungrateful. He did so much for them, essentially risking his neck.
Drazgon
2025-01-12 02:15:50 +0000 UTCAnd as we commit the body of Eric to the deep, we ask that his soul stay down there with it, until the Day of Judgement, when they'll come back with cement to finish the job...
Michael Marcoccio
2025-01-12 02:14:08 +0000 UTCA definite moment of "Should have asked Kat".
Shadowofademon
2025-01-12 01:48:44 +0000 UTCNobody here is saying trans don't exist, but Natani differs in some ways from those in RL.
Stephen Gilberg
2025-01-12 01:28:55 +0000 UTCHonestly, zero respect for anyone as stupid and hateful as you. You know trans people exist. You don't get an opinion on whether or not we're valid. We are. No debate. I've had enough of people like you. It's time for society to move on from brainless hatred.
Jack
2025-01-12 00:38:58 +0000 UTCMy only issue with this is there needs to be wind to show off Natani’s magnificent hair
Heretic
2025-01-12 00:26:16 +0000 UTCClovis, while also having a feminine body, is a guy as well. Defo trans (in that he doesn’t identify with the gender associated with his sex) and a man still
AFrickinDwarf
2025-01-12 00:10:38 +0000 UTCI mean he does/did have a coterie of (ethically and morally dubious) models
AFrickinDwarf
2025-01-12 00:03:44 +0000 UTCPervert overboard!!
AFrickinDwarf
2025-01-12 00:01:45 +0000 UTCI swear, we under appreciate the subtleties that Tom puts into his over the top expressions expressions!
Thestooge
2025-01-11 23:09:26 +0000 UTCAww, I wanted to see a Natani portrait!
TerrificTwenty
2025-01-11 22:54:23 +0000 UTCOVERBOARD!!!
Jonathan
2025-01-11 22:53:55 +0000 UTCIronic I began reading the entire series and am at the scene where he paints flora. And this appears and fits quite well.
FurLight
2025-01-11 22:45:25 +0000 UTCThat would be an insult to trans characters, including Nat. There is no C in LGBTQ and the kind of C word I'd call Clovis...would be a very bad word, indeed
AlaricLives87
2025-01-11 22:33:37 +0000 UTCThat's not correct, trans men aren't tomboys, they're completely different things. And Natani is the former, not the latter.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-11 22:33:00 +0000 UTCEric just couldn't help thinking with the other head despite what Natani made clear. *shrugs* He did warn him!
AlaricLives87
2025-01-11 22:30:05 +0000 UTCThe real trans is Princess Clovis.
Mari Mcgee
2025-01-11 22:22:10 +0000 UTCWe know what a tomboy is, thank you very little, Mari Mcgee, and Natani is trans.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-11 21:55:56 +0000 UTCKEEL HAULED!
Kai Sörensen
2025-01-11 21:55:11 +0000 UTCOh my gosh, Finally, finally someone did it, they actually did it.
MR, ABYSS
2025-01-11 21:46:39 +0000 UTCFlora & Natani: No you weren't! (They threw him into the ocean) Eric: I REGRET NOTHING!!!
SCD
2025-01-11 21:33:17 +0000 UTCTechnically Natnai was born a female, but she wants to be one of the guys. Those types of girls are called Tomboys.
Mari Mcgee
2025-01-11 21:20:46 +0000 UTCOr offer more money. Not sure about flora but natan would probably do it for 10,000. 25,000 if they have to slap him to menny times
Onyx Dragon 388
2025-01-11 21:06:03 +0000 UTCShips are very expensive. But I ship natan and Kate more if I’m honest
Onyx Dragon 388
2025-01-11 21:03:05 +0000 UTCMaybe he should try getting Different And more Willing models. Instead. (Still funny though
Onyx Dragon 388
2025-01-11 21:02:00 +0000 UTCEric, you're a perv. However... perhaps you should have tried for a very tasteful (or else) Keidran-human and an even more tasteful (unless you have a death wish) Keidran-Bastin painting. That, you might get, if you don't get incinerated by Templar magic or chopped into little pieces by Bastin swords first.
Charles Dyer
2025-01-11 21:01:23 +0000 UTCIt's tough being an artist when the subjects are so uncooperative
Spillthefire6
2025-01-11 20:41:07 +0000 UTCI imagine Eric is in a mood of "I'm trying to buy a new ship, and honestly I ship you two so it's an easy comparison"
SuperTaster
2025-01-11 20:22:08 +0000 UTCSeriously though he isnt a bad artist buuuut...he tends to get a bit...to into it XD
JayJay2x4
2025-01-11 20:18:44 +0000 UTCNat is transmasc and goes by he/him and I’m sure he wouldn’t want Mr. Gilberg seeing him without apparel.
AlaricLives87
2025-01-11 20:05:50 +0000 UTCand if memory serves right, Flora was actually pleased with the results https://www.patreon.com/posts/floras-painting-69918613
horoisawolf
2025-01-11 20:00:08 +0000 UTCI need to see this In color now lmao
James_TGS
2025-01-11 19:55:09 +0000 UTCNatani: "Hang on a moment; is this technically a mutiny? And, if so, is it justified? We need to consider our opti--" 𝘚𝘗𝘓𝘈𝘚𝘏! Flora: "Sorry, were you saying something?"
Anonymous1988
2025-01-11 19:26:38 +0000 UTCAmazing and adorable art and idea
SimTheLegend
2025-01-11 19:24:52 +0000 UTCEric just needs to stick with Nora and Adelaide.
Jem
2025-01-11 19:22:21 +0000 UTCThrow him overboard!
ShineyStars
2025-01-11 19:18:08 +0000 UTCTheir faces in the second panel had me rolling bro, it's so good
Noxitious
2025-01-11 19:17:04 +0000 UTCBoth are great ideas.
Kurtis Ryan
2025-01-11 19:14:23 +0000 UTCWhether or not we agree on that, it is abundantly clear that Natani wants to be seen naked by nobody who hasn't before.
Stephen Gilberg
2025-01-11 19:08:56 +0000 UTCNatani's not a girl though, he's a guy.
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-11 19:03:57 +0000 UTCDo it, over the side! He has committed treason!
wayne sampson
2025-01-11 19:00:48 +0000 UTCEric? TASTEFUL?! I think they have the right idea. Add a life ring and a tow rope and they don't even need to deal with the guilt... if they felt any in the first place, that is.
wjd1206
2025-01-11 19:00:00 +0000 UTCI painted the truth. I painted MY truth.
Mr. Stargate
2025-01-11 18:59:00 +0000 UTCThe waters not that deep, you'll be fine Eric.
bowman502
2025-01-11 18:56:08 +0000 UTCAh yes, the negotiator
aphelius
2025-01-11 18:54:35 +0000 UTCThat's something both girls agreed with. Please color this one.
Mari Mcgee
2025-01-11 18:54:29 +0000 UTCDo it do it do it!
Dan Vaelling
2025-01-11 18:54:07 +0000 UTCArtists sometimes live dangerously...
Joshu Kel'Machan
2025-01-11 18:52:42 +0000 UTCThis is just thomas visually showing what its like taking commissions
octave
2025-01-11 18:50:26 +0000 UTCI love Flora's and Natani's expressions as they prepare to toss Eric over the rail!
feralcat52
2025-01-11 18:50:21 +0000 UTCFlora and Natani both said no portraits, and no means no
Natali_Wolffe
2025-01-11 18:49:49 +0000 UTCYeah, I don't blame them. If anything, I'd probably join in lol
RemyHindle
2025-01-11 18:49:29 +0000 UTCLol, he was right tho
▄︻デɖʝɮʍǟռ═══━一
2025-01-11 18:49:25 +0000 UTCDeserved
Wolf Andre
2025-01-11 18:49:24 +0000 UTCAnd nothing of value was lost!
LaughMaker
2025-01-11 18:49:19 +0000 UTCNoice
Twokinds fan
2025-01-11 18:48:46 +0000 UTCYep that’s lore accurate eric😂
Emil Jensen
2025-01-11 18:48:46 +0000 UTCSuprised this didn’t happen sooner.
Wolf guy
2025-01-11 18:48:44 +0000 UTCGood good
Dhaka Yeena
2025-01-11 18:48:37 +0000 UTC
