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Good Evening Laura's Pack

Laura Lives AU - Now that things between them have been settled, Laura settles into bed between her pack members, Keith and Nat, for some cuddles before bed, suggested by Combak!

Good Evening Laura's Pack

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Probably one of my favorite art pieces ever! Don't think it will ever be replaced as my laptop wallpaper 😆

Bonkers Boas

No one owes you or your deity procreation. You are revolting and pushing your beliefs on everyone around you. You have not 'heard out' anything, you just looked for more reasons to push your ideals on me. Just like every other "I'm just trying to SAVE YOU from YOURSELF" Christian I have ever met. Next you'll cry that I'm somehow limiting your freedom of speech (it's what typically comes next) for calling out your absolute lack of respect. It's the typical hypocrisy of "if you don't respect me as an authority, I won't respect you as a human being" that I often experience with your type. Again, you know jack all about me aside from what I've told you, while you've exposed your theocratic views over and over.

Grumpy Bird

you are the one that's hiding behind lies,your are no man,never have and never will be,its the same with Natani in TK, you were born a women correct?Natani was born a women,but think yourself more masculine,natani also thinks herself more masculine,but thinking your a man does not make you a man,your are still a women,Natani is still a women,always have and always will be,that is the lie you are trying to say that I am lying about,so if anyone should listen to themselves,its you. if folk don't want kids or cant, all I'd ask is they try everything in their power to do so,if out of all trying it fails,that's ok, god wants people to muliply and replenish the earth, but if you choose not to have kids, to be ignorant and to ignore god ,then that's a problem,but if you exaust every possible way and still cant,that's ok,god will forgive that. Jesus died for our sins,even for the amount of ignorance your spouting. which is why I don't care if you want to express your self,but stop calling me a liar when I am speaking the truth,and you now its the truth,that's why you've been so adamant on this,I have spoken truth,and your are calling me a liar, those are the type of people that will not inherit the kingdom god, and while its ok to have strong testimony even though you are not religious, all I am doing is speaking truth,actuallytruth, but every time I have,you are calling me a liar,even though i have been leneant,I've heard you out,but at this point,we are not getting anywhere,so I am done talking to you "grumpy bird", you attitude matches your name sake...

Isaiah James

And there you go being hateful again, only you refuse to even acknowledge anything that doesn't agree with you. Going off like this is not being supportive, no matter what mental gymnastics you do to tell yourself so. Are you this argumentative at people who choose not to have kids? or can't have them at all? It is not a lie that I am a man. It's frankly horrifying that you are hiding behind your religion, which espouses loving all, no matter what, to declare such vitriol. You are far from Christ-like with your stance, and anyone who's bothered to study your holy book in full would see that. You know nothing about me past what I've told you, but you've clearly shown your true colors. You use your religion as a weapon to beat people into what you think they should be, and claim it is for their own good. It's not loving, it's not helpful to anyone, and frankly, it's not going to help you get anywhere you want to be in life. Or the afterlife.

Grumpy Bird

you don't need a biology degree or to go to college,or school even,to know what is what,how children are born,and how iife has gotten to were it is today,it doesn't matter wither your religious or not, we did not get to were we are with trans gender dysphoria acceptance, we got here because to create life, you need one male and one female,born as themselves because there is only 2 genders,period, and you cant be the opposite,neither,or both,your either born a male or a female, and you will be that before you are born,when you are born, while you live on this earth, and you will be that same male or female when you die and leave this mortal plain. those verses you quoted proove my point exactly actually, cause its relevant to as I've said, I don't care who you are,who you think you are, or what have you, but to uphold Christ like love to uphold his principles,one that you are ignoring,is "though shalt not lie" ,now iam not perfect,I am not claiming to be perfect,no one is, but there is one thing I definietly know is a lie, and that is you saying your a man when in reality your a women,or vice versa. i don't give a flying crap what you identify as,I am simply defending the truth of reality,that you don't even have to be religious to understand,I voice my opinion because people like you ( no offense),voice these comments of "why don't you just accept us?", and I've told you why, I dont believe we get places by just accepting others for whom they "think" they are or "want" to be called just to make them happy,we get places by helping others understand that there is a difference between what is reality and what is fiction, and one of those things we have to help explain and understand is that there is only two genders, and we are only one of them from our birth to our death,and its been like that since the beginning of man, I don't care if your trans,cause that's your agency and you can do what you want,but ,there can,will and are consequences for all of our actions,you think yourself as a man,but reality is, you are not the man you claim to be, you are a women pretending to be man,because in your head,you think yourself more masculine than you actually are, and your also hell bent on calling me a liar when I am trying to tell the actual truth that you also know is the truth. I am not trying to convert anyone or anything like that,I am just trying to help people understand what is fiction and what Is reality, and that just because you think yourself more feminim or masculin,doesn't make you that gender you think you are, when in reality, you know you never have, nor will be that self proclaimed gender you are thinking. I have been threatened,I have been banned,I have been censord,I've been billittled, but that will not stop me from telling and living the truth,I have had this conversation with several people, over and over, and if believing the truth and giving no quarter in to the gender pronoun game,makes me a bigot,a transphobe,or a whatever,in your eyes, so be it...I could care less...

Isaiah James

"I don't have anything against them" as you keep talking down to us with 6th grade biology. Higher biology does not agree with you. Talk to any actual biologist, one with a college degree, and you might learn something new. Also, you quote the states as if there isn't an entire party claiming Christianity that wants the entirety of the LGBT gone. As much as you claim to stand for Christ-like values, you're not showing much, if any, of 'love thy neighbor.' or 'Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. ' 'Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. ' 'My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith' 'Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.' 'Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. ' "And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ " 'A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back. ' 'A dishonest man spreads strife, and a whisperer separates close friends. ' All of those from your own holy book. Perhaps examine yourself and why you feel the need to spread corrupting talk, partiality, provocation, and more. If you have nothing against us, then why vent your clear distaste of our existence? I cannot stop being a man any more than I can stop having five toes on each foot. My body not reflecting my manhood is irrelevant.

Grumpy Bird

all Christians don't support the same things, most don't actually support "erasing/Censoring" the lgbt like you claim, iam sorry that apparently thats your experience with Christians, christians stand for Christ like morals yes, and yeah that's going to influence how we vote on things, yeah we're going to vote against some lgbt things,but what do you expect us do? ignore our beliefs just to make others feel welcome and happy? at that point there's no longer morales if its just going to be so easily twisted by influence, if we have to do things according to the will of others, well guess what? the world doset revolve around you, and if someone wants to uphold their beliefs and not vote in favor of something your for,let them and stop telling me I should be ashamed because of it,I am enacting on my agency and your enacting on yours,,so why do you think your agency is more supreme than mine? now for the extreme level of it? complete bans,reillegalizing Lgbt activity,making it to wear you cant voice your opinion,No I don't want that,Christians don't want that, cause I still want people like you to enact on your agency, as should everyone regardless of their opinion ,now are there people who do want to be extreme?to censor and ban everything? yea, but I am not one of those people,most Christians are not those type of people like you claim, and if your in the states youd know that is not how Christians are,cause high majority of them are actually really respectful people. now as to your claim that I am being "supressive"...I am not, I am simply saying you are not the person you claim and are pretending to be,but if that's how you want to think, whatever,idc, you do you, that's your agency, just as much as I could pretend to be a women even though I am not, tahats what I am getting at, there is only 2 genders and you are one of those 2 genders, and if being "accepting" in the lgbt means denying the most basic principle in life, that there is only 2 genders as your self when you are born,not what you think your self as, than that's further reason why, no I don't agree with the lgbt,but I don't have anything against them

Isaiah James

When people are pushing legislation under the exact same banner to make us go away? Yeah, no. If my religion said that Christians needed to be quiet and not talk about their beliefs, how would you feel about that? Because that's exactly what you're doing to transpeople. It doesn't help that you're talking about something as intrinsic to me as my eye color like it's some kind of choice.

Grumpy Bird

ok cool....and?...I don't care...,you can live your life with your agency,you want to identify as whatever the hell you want? cool...I don't care... cause you can do that,and I am fine with that, I don't agree with it, but that's your agency and if that's how you want to use it,if that's how you want to live your life,so be it, but let me live my life,let me uphold my personal and religious beliefs and my agency as well. you can stand for yourself and all the other trans folk and your opinion, but I cant stand for myself, for Christians and my opinon apparently?

Isaiah James

Point blank, as a transman, no you are not showing us respect. You may think you are, but you are not, I am not respected by what you say, and my existence isn't up for debate.

Grumpy Bird

Yeah and it shows they haven't actually read the comic, or at the very least, didn't pay attention to the entire mini arc where Natani was basically like "Actually, I've always thought of myself as a guy, it wasn't because of my link with Zen". Like it's impossible to come out of that section of the story with "acshually Natani is a woman" or whatever other garbage they expunge from their blowholes from as an honest reading. It's ignoring what the story tells them to push their own shitty narrative Thankfully most fans of the comic I've seen don't do mental gymnastics with Natani to justify their transphobia

Vix Neal

Really sad to see transphobia in a TwoKinds comment section. Tom is obviously pro LGBT, so accept it already.

Joe

As to discussion...there's no rules against it..and if people are going to go around calling me things just because I express an opinion they don't like, iam going to simply speak the truth the want to ignore, I show them respect, even though they don't show it back to me...,respect is a two way street...

Isaiah James

All of this still ignores one factor...,it dosemt matter what you "think" yourself of if you know your obviously not that thing, that's what the attack helicopter meme was, I could identify or think my self as Obama or an Asian,or whatever,does that make me those things? No...,cause i know iam not Barack obama or an asian,even with all the soul shenanigans...natani having a partial male soul dosent make her a man,just like as if some one has a chemical imbalance of having more male than female or vice versa horomones, or gets surgery to have the opposite genitles ( for astetics and simple function), there is no alterations someone can do that will make them the opposite gender...it's just not possible, the only thing you end up with is someone who thinks themselves the opposite gender when they know they obviously are not, they are just someone pretending to be the opposite gender and whom have different body proportions in the chest,groin,face,etc...,ototherwise known as gender dysphoria...a psychological mental condition...,that iam not going to embrace just because some one says I have to or get canceled, even though I have my own personal and religious belifs I must uphold.

Isaiah James

Hey. Obviously I don't think the comments section of a furry patreon is the best place to have a productive discussion on the topic, but still. Why would you think accepting who they are would mean denying that they're trans? What about that part of themself? Why wouldn't that be who they really are? (Also the attack helicopter bit doesn't account for the complexities of brain wiring and chemistry, which can blur somewhere between male and female very easily, but there are no attack helicopter hormones.) Even in the case of Natani, who is a fictional character and not quite a parallel to a real life trans man, the reality of his situation is that he has a male soul, no matter where it came from. Youngtani is only part of the picture - and a part of the picture that liked being masculine to begin with. The rest is still influenced by Zen, and the person that Natani chose to becomeunder that influence. By my reading, accepting who he is means accepting all of that. Maybe that'll change, but at present, it has not.

Fwubble

Yeah, I distinctly remember a version with Keith in the middle.

Crimson Dragon

I don't see Nat being interested in that part of her biology. Laura, on the other hand... population (and waistline) boom incoming.

Nwinda

The choice of pronouns (as well as how we live our lives) is an individual choice. While admirable to defend that person's choice, in this case the argument is moot because the character is still evolving and he/she/they haven't finalized their arch as yet. Just as in real life, respect their current wishes and don't impose your views/beliefs on others. We often hear the Bible quote "Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord." We often forget that vengeance requires a judgement of guilt. If vengeance is not ours, then niether is it ours to judge another's moral life choices!

wjd1206

Nope, I had totally forgotten about it!

Combak

Did you already know about the other version of this that was drawn a few years ago? If so I don't blame you for wanting another one but I am curious.

Golden Gears

Wasn't there already a version of this picture?

Golden Gears

I was thinking more tomboy if anything, learning things from her brother and his good and bad Influences...etc...

Isaiah James

I don’t think calling her a trans man is right in this scenario. Not only because of how she reached her current state via soul shattering magic, but it also disregards the developments shown with her younger inner self who explained that her rejection of her female identity came more from the gaps Zen filled in that are slowly healing. She even said that she doesn’t mind being a female, but likes being seen as a male, which fits more in line with something like crossdressing than being transgender.

ArtAnimationFan

Man, the static in that bed could probably knock a horse out in the morning.

ArtAnimationFan

Have Nat in the middle, so someone different has been in the middle all three times they've been drawn. XD

Combak

Thank you! But honestly, if my suggestions won more often, I think I'd quickly run out of them. XD

Combak

Oh I know bud. Best just to say yes I am and take that power word away.

K_D Lawrence

Then people need to stop getting so offended by others opinions,calling others "bigots" or "transphobes" just because they speak truth,I will simply defend my opinion,not getting offended into full blown arguments

Isaiah James

Good to know the sperg outs around Natani have just gotten worst over the years. Fantastic milk you guys. Please stop shitting up the comments with gender talk.

K_D Lawrence

Amen

Isaiah James

The answer is yes.

RivCA

If I think of myself that I'm a combat helicopter, it doesn't make me a combat helicopter. It makes me delusional. No offense to trans people tho, I just think that they should accept who they are instead of trying to become something they never were.

Diamond Ze Świata

Cute

MR, ABYSS

Like every good Dom, Laura knows that the most important part of good BDSM play is the aftercare ;)

Sir Reginald Lee IV

Snuggles!!!!

Kurtis Ryan

I'm not sure who I'm more jealous of Laura, Keith, or Nat

Avatardragon

Holy heck! She made them wear matching collars!

ShadowedHand

There's only one girl. Remember, Natani is a trans man. So Laura's sandwiched between her two boys.

Alexander Chipman

Don't think any of them are married...,so it would just be Laura's ex fiance,(maybe still Keith's fiance) and a friend...unless she wants to be in a relationship with natani aswell,which I don't think natani would mind, as long as Keith is happy,Natani qould probably be fine with being being Keith's second wife...or fiance...however this AU is supposed to be set up...

Isaiah James

Very cute,I would think Keith would be between the two girls,but still cute none the less

Isaiah James

"The Basitin Censorship Bureau is still debating about this picture due to the vixen's naked ankle." —BCB spokesperson

J. N. Squire

Pretty sure that both are husbands according to the lore

J. N. Squire

Which of the guys do you refer to? Natani or Keith? 🤔

J. N. Squire

Just think of the shedding, though...

Ascender

I love how Laura’s tail is hugging Keith’s legs…

SophieTRat-Skunk

Gotta show some love for Combak, who saw this suggestion through for...I lost count of how many Sundays. Congrats!!!

AlaricLives87

Laura: I need a glass of water. Keith & Natani: Dammit, Laura!

SCD

So cute :3

RemyHindle

Lol. The collars.

Jacob

Laura sleeping with her wife and husband.

Magra215

We need Good Evening drawings in general.

Xhan

Looks like she has both Nat and Keith collared too. Naughty naughty

Ezekiel S. Miles

Epic!

Jonathan

Best life.

Artemis Vulpes

I’ve had an idea in the back of my mind about how this AU started. Laura was three steps back from where she was in the original fight in the Basitin capital when she fired her magic arrow that detonated the Templar tower, and those three steps put her just far enough away to allow her to barely survive. She was nursed back to health on the voyage to Edinmire by both Keith and Nats, and the process allowed all three of them a chance to fall for each other.

KaiserDunk

tom PLEASE i cant take it im gonna cry they're so good 😭

P4R7YP0150N

I love this timeline.

Chrysalis

Once the break is over we need a “Good Morning Laura’s Pack”

AskDerpyCat

If only this was how it went after all Laura's been through. Poor girl deserves the love 😪😪

wjd1206

And the best part? All of them have fur coats, so nobody's going to hog the blanket!

Anonymous1988

Keith now gets 100% more squish. And Laura gets 200% more squished.

Rook Prime

Lucky

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Two very good boys and a very content vixen.

Roughlandin

Cute

HanLan

They all look comfy and cute😊

INKDEMONKING500

What if scenarios are amazing

Clarence Grant

Cudle pudle

Aliumas147

KeithxLaura Forever

1 week ago

Just two guys and a girl, happy as can be.

Vicroc4

As it *should* be.

The Sexy Beast

It's all fun and games until somehow both are with child at the same time... And both end up with multiples...

James News

Oh, wow! This is amazing! Thanks again for picking my prompt Tom!

Combak

Well yiff may be banned on Reddit but at least we still have Patreon

Raymond Johnson Romero

If only this could have been.

William

Lucky guy eh?

Tiger31486

Warm cuddlepile, yes please~

UBE Chief

Loving it so lovely

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