One Piece Episode 489 UNCUT REACTION!
Added 2025-03-03 08:00:07 +0000 UTCComments
That's was Oda's response to the idea of writing a protagonist that's too overpowered. What it means is, Akainu PLUS protagonist plot armour, PLUS protagonist power growth = One Piece finished in a year. It does NOT mean current Akainu would be capable of getting the One Piece if he was a pirate but not a protagonist.
Robbie Medica
2025-03-05 14:44:26 +0000 UTCWhen did I even bring up Luffy specifically, or say that his contributions did nothing? When I say pirates I was including Luffy as part of that. That's why I didn't just say the Whitebeard pirates. And I don't see how that nullifies my point. Ace nearly survived because of the combined effort of the entire pirate force, not just any single person. If Ace had survived that would have been a loss for the Marines and a win for the pirates.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-04 16:31:25 +0000 UTCAce nearly survived because Luffy was in the pictured. You take Luffy out and the Whitebeard Pirates would've lost earlier as Ace would've been killed had it not been for Luffy's haki, Crocodlie who Luffy also brought. And we saw that Whitebeard couldn't do anything either. So for you to say that if Ace escaped it would've been a lost is disingenuous since this happened prior to Ace's escape and had it not happened Ace wouldn't have made it that far in the first place and would still be in the scaffold
Tony
2025-03-04 09:15:45 +0000 UTCI'm pretty sure Oda went on the record to say Buggy is a favourite of his or one of his favourite non-mugiwara at the very least. Or at least it seems to be information that the OP community likes to share. This is maybe more of a podcast question, (I'll copy it from here maybe when they are open) but with the time you've now spent with Buggy in this arc how do you feel about the casting of Jeff Ward (who is amazingly charismatic) for the live action performance ? Even though he's "just" in East Blue, the showrunners had the chance of picking somebody with quite a lot of foresight into his development after all. They definitely decided to give him a lot more screen time. I'm personally hoping they go far enough with the series because I'm curious to see him handle that role on the whole Impel Down stuff + the war.
Jambron
2025-03-04 06:56:56 +0000 UTCThis is also poetry👆🏽
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 06:45:37 +0000 UTCIt just becomes a problem when people wrongly say "everyone" was tired. Only the fodder marines and Akainu were🤷🏾♂️
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 05:56:41 +0000 UTCLiterally the most recent comment on this reaction by @mediaocrity4 gave an in-depth insight in Mihawk's character, but I don't see you replying to him saying this is too specific of an analysis and biased by future knowledge. I don't understand😂
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 05:33:09 +0000 UTCJust to add on this is in the manga sbs but as jjk fan I died when oda said " akainu is the cherished one" saying he’s thee most handsome 😭 but more importantly He said "if akainu was the mc / pirate he’d finish one piece in 1 year " Now this can mean a lot he didn’t say FIND but finish as the story ends…. I’ll leave it at that as there’s much more to the story that u will pick up on 😏
INSATIABLE
2025-03-04 05:32:05 +0000 UTCOkay, I'll lay it out for you. There is no bias to the future story at all. I am merely communicating the themes and writing Oda has presented this saga. My multiple comments with loads of likes throughout this saga's reactions supports this. You responding to me right now is unusual given the plethora of comments every episode that contain future spoilers and set expectations for Boldcast about certain events and characters up to 700+ episodes in the future🤷🏾♂️ How can you not see this?
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 05:20:34 +0000 UTCI don't understand this response to what I said
ChocoBoshi
2025-03-04 05:16:42 +0000 UTCAlso, comments on this very episode are reflecting what I'm saying. Why don't you reply to those as well and call those out for being "confusing" or being biased with future knowledge? It's strange
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 05:10:23 +0000 UTC"Asking to analyse specific things"? Oh, you mean the main themes and writing of this Saga that Oda has been emphasising every episode since the start of Sabaody?😂 My comments on previous posts were getting loads of likes. My clarification of an Admiral's strength got 21 likes. My comment's are not confusing. I am just critiquing Carson, because i think he analysed the story better in the past, which people aren't going to like. That is understandable👍🏽 But it seems disingenuous to say my points are super confusing when a large majority of people have liked and agreed with my comments throughout the saga🤔
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 05:07:34 +0000 UTC@Matthew Gilroy I think you are biased by knowing the future of the story. I don't want to get into why here but I think even someone who hasn't seen the rest of the series would feel this way after reading some of what you just wrote. This is a super confusing post even for someone who has seen the entire anime. It feels like you're asking them to just know what's going to happen and analyze aspects of characters now based on things that will become relevant later. I don't think Carson is being any less critical with the things he talks about, it just seems like he isn't being critical about the specific things you want him to notice. I think we're getting into dangerous territory here, by continuing to ask for insight into specific elements of certain characters.
ChocoBoshi
2025-03-04 05:03:29 +0000 UTC@Adam, correct you have to look at it from a worldview perspective. To us the viewers, sure the many marines depicted in this war seem like fodder, but they all hold their place in this grand world and losses of the military in any capacity IS still a big loss in numbers that can other wise be sactioned somewhere else keeping the peace and maintaining order or defending compounds scattered across the world. It is difficult to see it that way because we are looking through the eyes of most of the heavy hitters (IE the warlords, the super nova's, admirals, ect) and comparing them with the main characters but this world is much larger and every single high ranking captain have a level of strength they contribute, then what we inititally see playout in the main story.
Artemis
2025-03-04 05:00:22 +0000 UTCI think you deciding to give One Piece nothing but praise as of late as you say is almost in a way downplaying, or I should say "not giving attention to" the expert writing that Oda has given us in this saga. You praise the hype moments and that's fine, they deserve praise, but the aspects of Oda's story that I think you were really good at picking up, discussing, and analysing in the past, is not at the same level. A more critical Carson of old would not have overestimated Luffy's strength at the beginning of the war, underestimated the Admiral's strength and claim that it was one Yonko and his armada against the entire Navy forces, with it being a "close victory". Similarly was your simplification of Blackbeard's character up until just recently. It's not that you're not good at being more critical if you wanted to resume doing it. I just feel like that turn to "appease" the biased fans, and ironically your subsequent decision to critique the series less and therefore just "go with the flow", has led to an underappreciation of the writing chops Oda is displaying. Like, the examples of Luffy vs 3 Admirals, Jimbei MVP, Shanks shows up and is about to shit on everyone who are all clearly going all out👀. This generates hype, yes, but a more critical lens that you used to display I feel like would have noticed the kind of nuances that I have talked about at length that people agree with. To summarise, we are both very similar. We both acknowledge Oda's weaknesses, but your changing ideology to appease the biased fans has led to a lack of acknowledgement of some of Oda's strengths that go beyond just "hype". This is just my opinion, but you should not try to appease these "fans" too much. They are the same ones spoiling you about the story and characters both on Patreon and on YouTube. I don't think they care too much about your opinions on the story or your experience. I think they just agree with you if you are baseline praising the hype moments that every other biased OP fan praises with minimal thought. After Enies Lobby, I believe Oda's writing chops increases even more. It gets more complex, more subtle, more nuanced. Take Moria: You're discussions surrounding have boiled down to the fact that he's trash, you don't like him, he's weak. You may not like the character but acknowledge WHY he has traits that you might not like. Well, he lost to Kaido in the New World. You briefly mentioned will having relation to power. This is a great insightful thought. Why not discuss these thoughts even more deeply and apply them to some of the characters? I'm sure you've heard some "fans" claim that you won't enjoy the next parts of the story after the "world-shattering" Marineford as much. Don't listen to them. Form your own opinions. Identify Oda's weaknesses and also identify his strengths. It should be noted that Oda never expected Marineford to get as popular as it did. The "hype" moments definitely overshadowed the more complex storytelling techniques that Oda probably thought wouldn't resonate as much with a young boy audience. You continue to consume the story how you want though👍🏽 Enjoy it brother :) P.S. I am not correlating "overthinking" (like with Sengoku's gun) to a desire to you going back to a more critical approach. The gun thing was a trivial matter and I don't know why people made a big fuss over it on the YouTube. To reiterate, I mean critical to do with Oda's writing, story, themes, and characters. Don't try to appease the fans by praising everything. Try to make deeper insights like the times of old. It's OK to make mistakes. Be right. Be wrong. Be free. Isn't that what One Piece is all about🤷🏾♂️
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 04:24:01 +0000 UTCDownplaying Oda's story by saying Luffy would unlock Gear 4 and beat the Admirals, even though they have been portrayed to be a pinnacle of strength😂 (Episode 475)
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 04:22:54 +0000 UTCOk. What about the others?
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 04:18:21 +0000 UTCI don't see how. It's already been shown several times that the WG has multiple forces they use outside of the Marines. Cipher Pol and the Impel Down guards are two examples. Even the Warlords are a separate entity beholden to but not directly under the control of The Marines.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-04 03:40:13 +0000 UTCthats kinda of spoilery
pedro I.S
2025-03-04 03:36:10 +0000 UTCdoffy wasnt scared because he is a psicopath lol, thats all
pedro I.S
2025-03-04 03:19:07 +0000 UTCOkay this is a good perspective to the general world and citizens of OP
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 03:04:02 +0000 UTCThe marines there are fodder compared to the heavy hitters in the war, but I believe nearly every marine there was at least a captain or above. And they pulled in thousands from all over the world. Casualties are undoubtedly high and it also means many bases across the world lost some of their best defenders. Sure the Admirals and Vice admirals are fine, but they are all concentrated in Marineford, leaving many corners of the globe defenseless against pirates. The marines global military presence was diminished heavily in a single day. Even a 10% loss of personnel would be a huge blow to any military, let alone the fact that many that were lost were experienced veterans. And the fact all this happened from one battle. This is a Battle of Cannae level of death. Something that will take years to recover from. It's rare when a single battle can have such far-reaching repercussions, like the Battle of the Somme. Man I love this arc. Btw, love ya man. Don't want to downplay what the Admirals and stuff have done but also wanna put into context what can happen as a result of the loss of a military's main fighting force.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-04 02:57:57 +0000 UTCI never said the Emperors would end the WG, I said the Marines would be screwed. Big difference. Obviously the Emperors likely couldn't take out the WG, but the main (public) military arm would get thrashed if a couple Emperors teamed up.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-04 02:34:49 +0000 UTCI dont think aokiji or kizaru were really damaged at all. And garp and sengoku barelly fought the whole time. Kuma has become 100% a flesh robot by this point so he would be the warlord to give everything for the cause and he barely needed to fight. The world government ruled the world for 800 years at this point, it's not that easy to get rid of them. Of course there are 4 emperors out there not just 2, but saying any 2 of them getting allied would end the WG is a stretch
pedro I.S
2025-03-04 02:20:58 +0000 UTCconsidering whitebeards sickness and age. i would say multiple peole present in this war would outlast him in a duel. Sengoku, mihawk, maybe akainu and kuzan I know Sengoku is also old, but the zoan body gives him and edge in the outlasting aspect imo
pedro I.S
2025-03-04 02:13:07 +0000 UTC@Boldcast👆🏽 This man just wrote poetry
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-04 01:55:19 +0000 UTCA lot of people misinterpret Mihawk's role in the war. He likes the title of Warlord. That was his primary reason for participating at all. Remember when he first drew his blade everyone was surprised that he was actually doing something instead of just chilling. He did want to measure his abilities against Whitebeard but he never got that chance. The moment Jozu jumped in the way, Mihawk knew that he would never be able to fight 1v1 against Whitebeard to determine who is better. That comes back with Luffy. Mihawk tests him but then people keep getting in the way. The whole time he's clashing with Vista he is keeping an eye on Luffy and realizing that Whitebeard, Luffy, Shanks, the other Yonko, Buggy, even Blackbeard all have the ability to pull people together. That's something Mihawk can't do. He's all alone. He can beat Shanks in a duel. You can make arguments that he's just as if not more powerful than Whitebeard was here. But he'll never be as formidable or as dangerous as them because he's just one man all alone on the sea.
mediaocrity4
2025-03-04 01:45:31 +0000 UTCI do want to point out that some of the vice admirals wanted the smoke with Shanks, but Sengoku by agreeing with the deal probably saved their lives. Just want to give you guys some praise for some of the great insights on this arc, Although the one I don't agree with is Lindsey thinking Buggy is a Better character then chopper lol. Chopper is my favorite.
Cheddah Slammer
2025-03-04 01:18:11 +0000 UTCThey can't help themselves bro
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 22:35:27 +0000 UTCCan we please chill with all the talk about when certain arcs start or stop?
ChocoBoshi
2025-03-03 22:14:27 +0000 UTCBoldcast, there are times when strength is clear though and there is no wonder🤷🏾♂️ Take Sabaody, for example, where Kizaru completely destroys the Super Rookies and our crew, causing us to get split up which still hasn't been resolved at this point. Like when Shakky says that Rayleigh is 100x stronger than the Super Rookies and clashes with Kizaru. The question of an Admiral's strength is answered here. The strength of an Admiral going all-out is also answered through Akainu, who single handedly did most of the damage to Whitebeard and his forces🤷🏾♂️
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 21:10:12 +0000 UTCThere were a large number of casualties from a fodder marine perspective. I wouldn't describe the casualties as "major" because what percentage of the total military might of the navy did those marines comprise?
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 20:56:18 +0000 UTCExactly. You grasp Mihawk's character and are slowly but surely piecing together Blackbeard's character. You've grasped him such a huge amount since your comments about him in Impel Down.😂 I love your insights talking about character writing. I need it for the other Admirals and Warlords🙏🏽
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 20:48:04 +0000 UTCThat's not what I was arguing. I was asking if he was scared or not
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 20:47:05 +0000 UTCWhat the navy feared most, was a potentual alliance of both emperors, if shanks and whitebeard had allied them selfs, then the navy would no way have enough resources or man power to handle this war. Thats why the navy was very fearful, when whitebeard and shanks met. Thankfully their alliance did not happen and so they had to deal with a whitebeard who was nerfed due to age and illness, which still prooved difficult and major casulties were lost on both sides. I am not trying to say specifically that shanks is that strong, all im saying is what the navy fears most is taking on two emperors or legends at the same time. That is why they also didn't want the dark king Rayleigh to be involved in this war.
Artemis
2025-03-03 20:43:24 +0000 UTCNow I desire this kind of analysis for all the heavy hitters at Marineford. Really make insights, thoughts, and guesses surrounding the Admirals and 7 Warlords as you have done here with Mihawk. Maybe in the upcoming Podcast?🤔 Make it happen Carson🙏🏽
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 20:42:36 +0000 UTC🖐🏾
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 20:11:16 +0000 UTCI honestly like many of your takes. So how about we have a crisp high five and call it a day 🖐️
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-03 19:26:35 +0000 UTCOkay I think the argument has disappeared at this point. We're both confused😂
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 19:23:54 +0000 UTCchopper fans going insane xDxD
Javier Enrique
2025-03-03 19:06:19 +0000 UTCYou are just arguing titles lol. Warlord vs Yonkou doesn't mean shit, especially when you also know that bounty does not equal power level.
Szonin
2025-03-03 18:59:47 +0000 UTCI argue that people are biased towards one piece, and that’s the true reason they think I’m downplaying his writing. What am have I said recently that has downplayed his writing? I’ve dialled back my critiques to nearly absolutely nothing over the last few arcs and have been giving it nothing but praise. I think because I talk about the story from the perspective of figuring out how someone would create it, rather than just appreciating it as something that is unfolding before me, it naturally separates me from blind emotion, but I don’t see that as downplaying I genuinely don’t have any idea what I could have said in the last 50 episodes that would make you think I’m downplaying anything
BOLDcast
2025-03-03 18:24:31 +0000 UTCObviously the WG needed the Admirals and the Warlords in this war. And they proceeded to injure some people and neglect to finish them off and generally just fuck around and waste their own energy. Even if many of them were uninjured it's safe to assume not all of them at 100%. With all the clashes and fights they tires themselves out needlessly instead of going all-out like the pirates did. A friend of mine once pointed out that many powerful are infected with what he called "The Hubris". Basically none of them went all out due to varying degrees of arrogance and similar emotions. And Shanks is one of the few powerful characters who rarely does that. He does not fuck around or extend fights needlessly. He has a goal and accomplishes it, which is honestly terrifying. And I wasn't even making a particular argument in my initial comment. I was just talking about how scary it would be for the average marines having to go through all that. Nowhere did I say that the Warlords and Admirals weren't tired and I never said the WG didn't need them. In fact I pointed out that it was necessary for the Navy to ally with the Warlords. I don't even know what we are arguing about. You're the one who keeps bringing up Akainu. Who is also an idiot who waited until Ace and Whitebeard were already dead before actually going all out.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-03 18:20:57 +0000 UTCJust because he wasn't scared doesn't mean he is on the same level. Look at Luffy. He is rarely scared of anyone, even people who can clearly whoop his ass. If anything that lack of fear can be a detriment.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-03 18:04:18 +0000 UTCThis is a new argument then👍🏽 A counter to your initial argument in fact. You're arguing against your own points😂 Your initial comment highlights that the World Government NEEDED the Admiral's and 7 Warlord's strength😂 Now you're saying their incompetent and weak🤔
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 18:01:59 +0000 UTCAce nearly survived, which would have defeated the entire reason the marine's started this war. If Ace escaped, do you think it would matter if the majority of the Admirals and Warlords were unharmed? A loss is still a loss. The fact remains that the only reason the marine's won is because of Ace himself. The Marines and Warlords not going all out isn't a sign of strength, it's a sign of weakness and incompetence. Imagine you were in a military unit tasked to hold a bridge. You are given a bunch of trained men and some heavy weapons to hold it. Yet you don't assign all your men to the bridge and don't set up all your defenses and the enemy overruns you. Do you think it would matter if you tell your superiors 'I would have succeeded if I didn't hold back'. That's a failure on your part and is still a loss. To use a real world but lower stakes example let's look at the first boxing match between Joe Louis and Max Schmeling. Louis was younger, stronger, and more skilled than Schmeling and he was the favorite to win. So he didn't train at all and played golf. And he lost by knockout. In the end what matters are results. And if Ace had escaped it wouldn't matter if the Marines were uninjured and the pirates limped out, that would still be a loss. So yes, it WAS a narrow victory and it had just as much to do with the Marines' weakness as it did the pirates' strength.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-03 17:58:04 +0000 UTCAgain, people have STRONGLY agreed with me in previous episodes. Last episode in particular. And those comments of mine were just as long, and reflected exactly the same sentiments I'm explaining here. It's weird😂 Maybe people just think I'm downplaying Shanks here😂 even though I'm actually arguing against the REASONING behind their claims.
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 17:54:51 +0000 UTCAgain This adds to the quality of blackbeards character, like we talked about in recent eps Funny how overconfidence & cowardice does so much for a character, even when they’re actually super powerful
BOLDcast
2025-03-03 17:48:17 +0000 UTCCarson I gave you credit here for the Mihawk example. But it's not just me who has suggested your oversimplification of Oda's writing. Some people previously have argued that you sometimes underestimate Oda's foreshadowing and/or themes as well, as well as character's most noticeably Blackbeard. It's OK not to catch everything though. I just feel like when Oda is telling you the same things every episode, it's OK to provide critique / feedback👍🏽. I do give you credit. You catch things pretty frequently, especially during your Water 7 days😁 My main points: 1. It was not a close victory. 2. The war affected the fodder marines the most by far 3. Only heavy-hitter to get really active was Akainu. 4. Acknowledge Oda's expertise to combine both "power" with "character writing". This explains points 1-3 5. Mihawk interpretation is good. You acknowledge point 4 here. Point 4 can be applied to all the other heavy hitters within the marines. P.S. the length of the comment reflects the amount of examples Oda has given you that highlights point 4
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 17:47:17 +0000 UTCMihawk is clearly punching beneath his weight class. I think the point of all of this, like the rest of how one piece is written, is to cause us to wonder at how everything fits together strength-wise. It’s a writing tool like anything else. The wondering is the fun part. So it being unclear where Mihawk falls between, say, crocodile/moria and shanks is a question that isn’t meant to be answered by the reader, but it is meant to be asked.
BOLDcast
2025-03-03 17:45:28 +0000 UTC591??? marineford does not last another 100 episodes
Degenerick
2025-03-03 17:41:39 +0000 UTCThat’s why I was clarifying that they were rivals I take it like a guy/kakashi thing like I said. They probably had a long history and were always one upping each other, but maybe when shanks began to see the forest for the tree in this whole pirate era, he shifted his focus to bigger things while Mihawk stayed focussed on developing himself. So in the end, shanks might have won the most recent duel, but its not obvious which one would win (I think it would be shanks because he’s more integral to the story and has a narrative reason to be stronger, but in terms of their rivalry, the point is that Mihawk can’t righteously beat shanks anymore because of the change in shanks. They’ve drifted apart in their goals)
BOLDcast
2025-03-03 17:40:44 +0000 UTCOkay so you WERE referring to the average marines. But how does that mean it was a close victory in general when all the heavy hitters besides Akainu are fine and dandy?🤔
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 17:36:35 +0000 UTCI feel like you can’t say I’m simplifying Oda’s writing, or are thinking about things too simply, if your rebuttal to my points is this long I’m clearly saying a lot more than you give me credit for but we can agree to disagree
BOLDcast
2025-03-03 17:36:23 +0000 UTCWhat he said 👆
BOLDcast
2025-03-03 17:34:12 +0000 UTCI mean Ace nearly escaped and it was his own hubris and emotional instability that led to his death. They were very close to escaping and the pirates had more of a hopeful energy behind their actions. Morale plays a big role in how much effort people put forward. And yes I was referring mostly to the average marines. The main guys would be fine but all the guys doing the majority of the fighting would not be. The end reminds me of a certain point in the Invincible comics. Sometimes there is a point where there is a fight you COULD win and the question then becomes 'Is it worth it?'. The Marines were at their best against White beard so it makes sense why they would continue to fight. Even Blackbeard, as powerful as he is, is still a relative unknown and somewhat harder for the average person to fear. But Shanks is a whole other situation. It's not just his strength but his reputation that precedes him. In the end one of the main things is risk vs reward. What does fighting Shanks get them to warrant the effort? The answer is not much.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-03 17:31:24 +0000 UTCYou may not like the marines, but this is disingenuous, no?😂 Don't just boil every character at Marineford down to power levels please.😔 The heavy-hitters besides Akainu weren't going all out. Maybe consider why this would be the case from a character writing perspective😉 We see the impact just one determined Admiral can have against an Emperor, his forces, and allies. And it reflects Akainu's CHARACTER as an absolut marine who wants to defeat the pirate that defines this era and Roger's son. This was the opposite of a close victory for the marines. Now imagine if the other Admirals and warlords went all out like Akainu😂 Sengoku got more active against Blackbeard than when they were faced against Whitebeard and his allies. Unless you're looking from a fodder marine vs fodder pirate perspective, not a narrow victory at all. Again, disingenuous to say "narrow victory", no?😂 Akainu did most of the work against the significant players. The other admirals and warlord's effort are not comparable to Akainu's level of effort. This makes sense when you consider Oda's clever ability to combine power with character writing😉👍🏽
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 17:19:18 +0000 UTCYes
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-03 17:12:19 +0000 UTC“Are they related?” The monkeys or the men?
Arkham
2025-03-03 17:10:44 +0000 UTCImagine how it must feel to be a marine at the end there. They summoned the strongest marines from around the world and even the Seven Warlords to fight against a single Emperor and his allies. And even though the marines won it was a petty narrow victory and left many of their forces dead or wounded and Marineford is practically rubble by now. And after all that another Emperor just shows up and wants to fight? I would be crying at that point. It really puts into perspective why the marines allied with the Warlords and why the marines went into red alert simply because Shanks and Whitebeard had a meeting. If any of the Emperors had time to combine forces the marines would be screwed.
Adam Vialpando
2025-03-03 17:03:10 +0000 UTCAokiji saved Luffy's life from Akainu in episode 475. When Akainu is about to intercept Luffy, Aokiji gets in the way. Subtle yet effective. There are much clearer examples that I've mentioned below but I thought this was a really cool subtle one that not only validates that the admirals/Warlords were minimally trying (although this should be obvious as every episode this arc shows this in some form), but there were also cases where they saved our lives😂. Another example of Oda combining power with character writing👏🏽 Carson, Oda's writing is not as simple as saying "x" character can fuck everyone up, especially when you've got characters like the Admirals and Warlords who exerted minimal effort against a Yonko caliber force. Akainu did most of the work against the significant players. And before people start claiming that they did try, you can't compare Akainu's level of effort to any of the other heavy hitters there. It is not comparable in the slightest😂
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 16:46:48 +0000 UTCLet me choose a character at random. Let's say Doflamingo. Do you think he was "scared" or just didn't give a shit about the war? Let me know🤔
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 16:29:14 +0000 UTCI highly recommend people to read @Tony's comments under @Galaxy Nemesis' thread. He does a solid job on the "power" side of things. @Artemis also provides some nice points from a "character writing" perspective on Shanks. These comments act as a nice segway into my very long explanation 😂 that communicates how Oda combines "power" with "character writing", acting as a counter to simplified takes that inadvertently undermine Oda's story in a sense. Flex on 'em Oda🔥🔥💪🏽
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 16:10:52 +0000 UTCOversimplification. Was Doflamingo "tired"? Was Kuma "tired"? Gotta acknowledge character writing too😉
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 15:56:48 +0000 UTCYou must have not read my comment correctly because I never downplayed Whitebeard. Heck I even highlighted all of his nerfs however facts are facts, these weren't no battles. Characters like the Admirals were shown to casually make the most insane feats up to par with Whitebeard The Yonkos are concerned with their own personal Ambitions however they are still tied to the world government and the navy as they are the true who hold the reigns of the world and they are the opposing faction. The World Government has: The Navy who we saw could take down a Yonko crew The Pacifista Units which can take down low ranking pirates Cypher Pol which could also aid since its an all out war And the 5 elders who seem to be fighters as one is holding a sword and have scars alluding to either being fighters or were hurt by someone. And I personally don't think at least in this world that the rulers or the ones in charge are not strong As for Mihawk, the manga itself shows that Mihawk when fighting Vista did not take him seriously. Oda even highlights this by having Mihawk have his attention towards Luffy and still fighting Vista. Vista is a Commander, he should hold his own. So i don't see this as a Downplay. Even when he threw the slash towards Whitebeard all Mihawk did was just move his sword. Jozu stopping this shouldn't downplay his abilities because if we wanna be technical Shanks is superior to Mihawk correct? But he can't win against a smoke bomb and lost his arm to a sea king 🤷🏻♂️. And it be farfetched to say that the Sea Kings teeth that took Shanks Arm are more powerful than a slash from Mr 1 or Zoro who can cut worse than that bite 🤷🏻♂️ Marco, Ace, Jozu and Vista are not going down by a single hit from a Yonko caliber fighter. I feel like your downplaying them
Tony
2025-03-03 15:56:31 +0000 UTCThere is no need to be toxic. Just politely tell him to not spoil👍🏽
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 15:44:50 +0000 UTCYou can agree or disagree with the take. My main issue was the simplified REASONING behind the take. I'll leave it at that. My comment is long, but it explains this if you take the time to read it😉
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 15:26:26 +0000 UTC@Matthew We can agree on one thing and likely one thing alone, this story is masterful, however, I don’t appreciate your assertion that I am oversimplifying the story. You are projecting Matthew… first of all you should reread my comment I used every single word very deliberately… I spoke about portrayal then provided MY OPINION. The entire arc reflects ZERO of your points. Like I actually cant believe you can say something that is so verifiably false, didn’t Mihawk get stopped and tied up by Whitebeard’s third and FIFTH commanders just this very arc? I see you commenting on just about every post trying to neg Shanks… how about YOU pay a little more attention to the subtext any time Shank’s battle prowess is referenced. Your argument is paper thin given that Mihawk did infact try to kill Luffy as well, was he hired by the WG explicitly to kill Luffy or Whitebeard? According to you Mihawk was only doing what was necessary right? How fast did Mihawk pack it up when he saw Shanks and his crew? 😆 I think the implication is crystal clear. This no warlord is ever trying schtick is very tired. Always what-aboutism time and time again. If you think Mihawk is stronger thats great man, I think you’re very wrong and the story certainly doesn’t support your opinion.
Galaxy Nemesis
2025-03-03 14:25:42 +0000 UTCThats the thing Tony, the pirates (specifically the Yonkou) are not concerned with the navy. They are concerned with their own ambitions. This is explicitly stated by Garp and Robin post Ennies Lobby and reinforced by the story only about 500 times (atleast up to this point). The only faction that actively hunts the navy are the revolutionaries. Have you seen any Emperor go all out to this point? And even if you wanna use old sick Whitebeard as that example surely you aren’t suggesting that old sick Whitebeard is the strongest emperor…😳 Hopefully one day we can stop the Whitebeard downplay. The warlords absolutely were trying this argument is tired and just plain false. Are we choosing to have selective memory for Mihawks clashes with WB’s third commander Jozu and his FIFTH commander Vista? He got held back BOTH times LOL… but let me guess he wasn’t trying even though one of those attacks were specially intended for Whitebeard and the other clash resulted in Mihawk asking to pause the fight for BOTH of their sakes 😂
Galaxy Nemesis
2025-03-03 14:16:57 +0000 UTCShanks could fuck everyone up at this moment bro, everybody is tired.
Hamza Mourdi
2025-03-03 14:13:54 +0000 UTC"I’m like, what she say fuck me for?"- Tony Tony Chopper
Ty
2025-03-03 13:54:43 +0000 UTCLet's discuss a bit🤔 and pick our brains 🧠 Ok Shanks is powerful Carson, and one could agree with your take, but I feel the REASONING behind the take is too simple. Yet again in my opinion you are simplifying Oda's writing. Don't provide an argument that Shanks can fuck everyone up just because the opponents are too tired - this reasoning is too simple🤷🏾♂️ This may be true for fodder marines (as shown LAST EPISODE), but we KNOW the Admirals (besides Akainu) and Warlords were there for fun or by orders. This episode even emphasises this, with cuts to Kuma standing alone eerily, Doflamingo standing alone just laughing, and Moria standing alone just laughing. This is highlighted the most by Mihawk, who the story has told us is somewhat relative at least to Shanks, yet he tells the marines "I came to fight Whitebeard". Mihawk was there BY ORDER. He did not give a shit about the war and wanted to leave. Nice explanation from Lindsey :) Sengoku's words "Because it's you" could be interpreted strength wise, or character insight wise. But, why not BOTH? Carson, you try to dismiss powerscaling, but then powerscaling you've been leaning on HEAVILY in this episode and arc as a whole. You do discuss Sengoku, but then why do you boil every other character's reasoning down to "Shanks is going to wipe everyone out"?😂 You explain Mihawk so well, bet then for some reason refuse to acknowledge the similar traits within all the Admirals and warlords (besides Akainu). I can't stress enough that the Warlords and Admirals (besides Akainu) did not try AT ALL. Why can you only see this with Mihawk? You keep on saying "The entire Navy forces vs Whitebeard" and that "it would be a cake walk if there were more pirates", when we know the presentation of the Admirals and Warlords in this arc. They did not break a sweat🤷🏾♂️ Akainu was the only one trying, and it perfectly reflects his character as an absolute marine who wants to kill the pirate who defines this era and Roger's son. He is 100% committed to the cause, and that is why he alone did most of the work against the significant players. He alone fought against all the WB commanders, Jimbei, Ivankov and Crocodile. We see the impact just one determined Admiral can have against an Emperor, his forces, and allies. This was the opposite of a close victory for the marines. Now imagine if the other Admirals and warlords went all out like Akainu😂 Imagine if Kizaru, who's dialogue was 90% comprised of "ooooh try harder", "ooooh that's scary", actually tried and we actually saw him serious. Imagine if we saw Aokiji, who was very laid back but comfortably defeated any opponent besides Whitebeard (for example Jozu), actually push himself a bit. I feel like almost every episode there are examples where Oda is trying to tell you that the Admirals and Warlords were a very minor factor in Whitebeard's defeat. Now it's not like they didn't fight at all. Mihawk obviously did do 1 swinged attack against Luffy😂. But comparing any other Admiral and Warlord's resolve to Akainu's resolve and we can see that they did not care about this war. Lindsey's comments about Mihawk can be extended to all the World Government heavy hitters present.🤷🏾♂️ Again, Oda combines story and character with powerscaling to create an amazing work. Well done Oda👏🏽
Matthew Gilroy
2025-03-03 13:50:02 +0000 UTCMan, you guys finally made it here. What a journey since the live action released! You just need to finish this next small arc to close out this massive saga! I can't wait. You guys are probably watching One Piece at the best time. There is much to look forward to!
SomeoneElse
2025-03-03 13:26:38 +0000 UTCThe real stop point for reaction pause should be when hat is put on giant radish. Do you guys agree?
Nakos
2025-03-03 13:12:33 +0000 UTCBro shut up.
Coqnbauz
2025-03-03 12:00:17 +0000 UTCpoor chop chop he’s been gone from the screen for too long
Nukouh
2025-03-03 11:53:24 +0000 UTC591 episode is the last episode of Marinford, no?
Jack Shadow
2025-03-03 11:27:34 +0000 UTCI am also not on the power scalling part of the fandom but I find it interesting taht your first guess was that Mihawk lost their last encounter bc my interpretation of them was that they were always neck to neck, and he only made that comment about not fighting Shanks after Shanks said: “Did you come here to fight me?” So it’s just interesting how one interaction can have such different interpretations
Camila
2025-03-03 11:15:09 +0000 UTCtechnically the saga ends in 516 but this arc itselft ended in this ep
Degenerick
2025-03-03 11:05:22 +0000 UTCNow i feel bad for you feeling bad about it lmao
Sanji Joestar
2025-03-03 10:46:20 +0000 UTCyal finished marineford arc good job!
Degenerick
2025-03-03 10:45:04 +0000 UTCAll I'd add though is that at least 90% of people saying those things about Mihawk are just doing it as a joke same with all the other 'fraud' characters of one piece and that it's very clear to even power scalers and agenda maintainers that he is set up to be very powerful. I wouldn't go on to say that power scaling is toxic because at the end of the day all it is, discussion about a story and the characters of a story we all love they're just passionate about a different part of the story than you or I, anyway this is just my two cents.
Beranzan
2025-03-03 10:37:22 +0000 UTCIronic how BB thought he was the strongest man alive and ready to conquer the world, but the moment shanks shown up. He's like "screw this, im out!!" I think with shanks presence though its more than just his power, there is a kind of a mutual respect and honor that the higher ups in the navy have for this man and that’s pretty evident by his words. Shanks basically was like “ok, enough is enough, your war games are done, time to bring it home and go back to your familes”
Artemis
2025-03-03 10:36:44 +0000 UTCShanks past, fascinating question :D By rule of Shonen number 1, any important character has some secret past. Is it interesting if Shanks is one of them?
Jack Shadow
2025-03-03 10:22:39 +0000 UTCI still love chopper very much and he’s just a cute lil guy 😭 I feel bad even saying anything bad about him
BOLDcast
2025-03-03 09:58:18 +0000 UTCI place Shanks and Mihawk closely to each other. I obviously do have Shanks over Mihawk overall, but Mihawk is definitely top 5 though. A lot of people hate on Mihawk/call him a fraud and meme him for stalemating with Vista when he probably wasn't even trying his hardest which I think is really silly. Things like that is why I don't like engaging in power-scaling discussions because that part of the fanbase tend to be very toxic.
Z
2025-03-03 09:52:09 +0000 UTCShanks really is the period mark. He doesn't show up much, but when he does, all characters agree together to end the sentence all at once. What a crazy slaughterhouse Marineford was, and how differently it was gonna end had anyone but Shanks showed up "Only because it's you". No name marine: "Mihawk, where are you going? come back here", that sentence made irreparable damage to the Mihawk fans lmao. Good take on the Mihawk/Shanks tension, Carson!
EOussama
2025-03-03 09:44:48 +0000 UTCI personally feel it doesn't make sense if only 4 Yonko were equal in power and no other person is on their level. If that were true then they should've easily beaten the navy or world government Do we assume the Navy and the Warlords to have gotten all out? To me Mihawk was barely doing any real attacks. The Admirals I don't think were going all out as well. I mean Aokiji literally made an ice continent like nothing and we know they can spam their attacks Just look at Kizaru and Akainu. Even Akainu I felt like he still wasn't going all out
Tony
2025-03-03 09:38:13 +0000 UTCdo they prefer to keep going until they feel like it's time to pause the series? or it's inevitable to know which episode is the true end of the saga?
josephocenada
2025-03-03 09:33:04 +0000 UTCYeah imo the Shanks vs Mihawk thing has always been pretty clear cut especially after this arc. One sick old Yonkou vs all the Marines and Warlords… Mihawk is one warlord. Seems pretty clear that a actual emperor should scale above any warlord or admiral or the story wouldn’t make sense. Mihawk is likely the better swordsman though (hence his title).
Galaxy Nemesis
2025-03-03 09:22:42 +0000 UTCshe might double down and wear a buggy hat =P
josephocenada
2025-03-03 09:00:59 +0000 UTCWhile I dont think Blackbeard is on shanks level, he is nerfed pretty hard by the darkness fruit making him feel extreme amounts of pain from even punches from luffy. We have seen he is fairly tanky with taking hits from both WB and sengoku so if he wasnt dealing with all the pain caused by the darkness fruit he wouldnt be looking as goofy as he does in alot of his fights.
SupahBupah
2025-03-03 08:44:49 +0000 UTCShanks told the war to stop and it did
Kossain
2025-03-03 08:42:28 +0000 UTCLove the discussion as always Buggy channelling his inner peak mc power! Shanks really got that aura around him. The War is OVER !!!!
Sanji Joestar
2025-03-03 08:40:02 +0000 UTCshanks spoke to rayleigh about luffy because he saw roger in luffy. what did luffy say that reminded shanks of roger? we do not know
EG
2025-03-03 08:39:17 +0000 UTCShanks mentioned to Whitebeard that his scars that hurt him the most were the ones from Blackbeard. And he did say he didn't drop his guard when it happened. Interesting to say the least Blackbeard is such a mystery box
Sanji Joestar
2025-03-03 08:38:36 +0000 UTCI felt the betrayal 🥺/jk
Sanji Joestar
2025-03-03 08:37:27 +0000 UTCThis is more of a PSA towards the comment section. Please be mindful of Boldcast's experience and theories watching this arc(and story as a whole). We, as the audience have the power of hindsight and future knowledge on some of their questions. They don't. They experience it as it comes. So just let them wonder on most topics and don't try to guide their thought process. The previous comments went a bit overboard mentioning that some stuff are either unanswered, will be answered or that their theories are already answered etc. Just enjoy the reactions, discuss stuff within the realm of the episode and have a nice experience with them. Thank you.
Sanji Joestar
2025-03-03 08:36:57 +0000 UTCChopper fans are in shambles
Lūthér Hölâyèãhmé
2025-03-03 08:27:06 +0000 UTCMy man Shanks really walked into a war and said "Stop that right now" and the war listened. because the war was scared. No one even dared to step up and challenge him. Yeah nobody is doing it like this guy...
Z
2025-03-03 08:21:17 +0000 UTCBlackbeard to everyone: "I'm the strongest now. None of you can stop me!" Shanks- "How's it going ya'll?" Blackbeard - "Fuck that! I'm out!"
Z
2025-03-03 08:19:27 +0000 UTCNo one man should have all that power....but we're glad he does. Hot damn!
100Rainy
2025-03-03 08:13:37 +0000 UTCLFGGG
Z
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