Let's Burn Some Muscle!! p83
Added 2014-09-16 22:40:40 +0000 UTC
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I'm not sure about Terry Wallis, but many comatose patients are fed intravenously. It depends on many factors. Heck, about 40 000 people use are feed intravenously AT HOME in US: <a href="http://goo.gl/25Q9aG" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/25Q9aG</a> And I'm not sure why you think that “being made from flesh” will be a problem. Alexis breasts are called “whales” from time to time but you should not forget that they are SMALLER than an actual blue whales! You may want to say that actual milk glands of whales are probably smaller then what we have here, but I'm not talking about milk, I'm talking about blood: it, too, must be circulated somehow in the body of a while, right? If that's possible then sure as hell milk could be moved in Alexis breasts, too, it's similar system. No strange “probes” or other such crazy things are needed. High-pressure pumps are needed when you want to move stuff by thousands of feets, not when we talking about hundreds of inches. note that your four-meter-radius is also wrong: right not it's about three and half meters in diamater and I doubt that lactation will make them grow by more than two times in linear size… few percents growth is likely, may be 10-15%, but not more. Of course that'll only work if her tracts are in good shape, not clogged and so on, but I'm pretty sure Ysabel checked for such problems in the course of LBSC incident: she knew about Rhea (even if Alexis had no idea), she knew what was doing.
Khimru
2014-09-20 04:29:50 +0000 UTCIf Terry Wallis is like other coma patients, he was intubated; that's how the comatose are fed, not intravenously. Like other coma patients, he was also in terrible shape in many ways. The technology is not there to maintain health, just to enable some semblance of life. Milking a woman of Alexis' bulk is going to be problematic because of the material of which she's composed (flesh). You can use a commercial high-pressure pump on a steel tank and concrete tube; you can't use it on a girl.
Red Carstairs
2014-09-20 03:58:17 +0000 UTC““Intravenous” is disruptive to her system, and things like that don't tend to work well in the long run.” Really? Think about it: Terry Wallis spent 19 years in coma—how do you think he was able to survive in all that time? And he's not the only one who was supported for years, he's just the most famous one. If dozen of years are not “long run”, then I don't know what you mean by that term. I certainly hope that they don't plan to use her as a guinea pig for 100 years or more. The problem with Intravenous feeding is not physical feasibility (it's VERY well developed and VERY robust technology), it's cost. Which may not be their biggest concern if that's just a test run. “I think she's currently/future being intubated, her stomach high-speed pumped full of water and high-calorie feed.” And how many humans in such a state have you heard about? Why do you want to replace well-developed and well-tested (over decades even!) technology with something new and strange? “Suction at the nipple won't [work] either, regardless of how big her nipple is.” Why suction won't work??? Yes, you could not suck from vessel which is “too big”, but, well, that “too big” has a size: about 65 feet in diameter. I guess when you nearing that limit this will become more and more problematic thus perhaps 50 feet will be a more realistic limit, but Alexis, while huge, is still quite far from that size today.
Khimru
2014-09-20 03:32:17 +0000 UTCUnderstood; I was only using 50 as an example. Pure guesstimate I think one of the udder/fourbreast Cowloon women might be capable of 50 gallons a day - again, with extremely expanded stomach. Alexis' viability as a large-scale milk producer is dependent on her maintenance and production-process costs - which are undefined at this point. Note that a good bovine cow yields 8 gallons a day, the world record is somewhere over 24 gallons/day. "2 000 gallons a day" may be a reasonable extrapolation from Alexis' size, but it's not necessarily her minimal viable yield. Again, that depends on what it costs to keep her producing. The best economical way to get sufficient nutrients into her, the simple and least disruptive to her body and least expensive, is to greatly enlarge her digestive system. I certainly think that's what the Cowloon mages would start out trying. “Intravenous” is disruptive to her system, and things like that don't tend to work well in the long run. You can't run intravenous anything into a human/animal long-term, it's strictly a short-term emergency fix. As far as Alexis chewing anywhere near the amount of food just to maintain her current bulk, let alone produce milk, you're dead on – she can't. I think she's currently/future being intubated, her stomach high-speed pumped full of water and high-calorie feed. And I've noted like you that, despite the fantasy element, Zdemian is playing pretty fair with cause/effect and physical constraints; there's no magic, he's using advanced technology. That's what makes it so much fun. Thanks for your comment, I appreciate your thoughts and always enjoy your posts. Final point – consider what's going to be involved in getting milk OUT of a four-meter-radius udder – normal drainage won't work, suction at the nipple won't either, regardless of how big her nipple is. I think they're going to have to sink probes down Alexis' milk channels and extract the milk internally. Your thoughts?
Red Carstairs
2014-09-20 03:00:42 +0000 UTCIf you'll actually take a look on the discussion which happened before then you'll see that Zdemian knows and understands that. His exact words: "Any processing requires some input of materials-- how much you get out is related to how much you put in". But you are GREATLY underestimating the scale of a problem. I mean: we are talking about ≈65 000lbs breasts here. If such a huge apparatus will only be able to produce fifty-gallon-a-day output then whole thing will be deemed a failure. For the whole gig to be minimally viable it'll need to be something like 1 000 gallons/day and to make it more effective than regular cows it'll need to be 2 000-3 000 gallons/day. Which more-or-less implies some kind of intravenous injections or something like that: even if you'll enlarge stomach I doubt that Alexis will physically be able to chew so much.
Khimru
2014-09-20 01:36:04 +0000 UTCI very much like where this is going; comment/request: when Alexis starts lactating, please bear in mind that her milk yield is going to be a function of her water/food intake - there's no fifty-gallon-a-day output, without an input of a lot of food and well over fifty gallons of water, AND a greatly enlarged stomach to hold and process all this. I'm looking forward to the resulting body, and the necessary support team. Thanks! great art, great story.
Red Carstairs
2014-09-20 00:39:24 +0000 UTCI don't think they were an item. More likely a childhood friends or, perhaps, high school friends. Year or two difference is nothing for adults, but it's a BIG deal when you are very young. If Alexis was couple of years younger and Rhea teased her mercilessly (as often happens) then this will explain her reaction nicely. In fact this picture looks closer to how Alexis should look like if you'll recall Page3: she's trying to play “wise experienced CEO” in the rest of the comic yet she constantly does mistakes which “wise experienced CEO” just wouldn't do. If her company have grown very fast (with some help from Cowloon) and she's, in reality, not all that experienced then this divarication could be easily explained: yes, she's a CEO and yes, she did a lot of work to reach that point, but she just does not have enough bad experience. That's why she had no contingency plans at the very beginning of the LBSM, that's why she was so naÏve when Than played with her in LBSC, etc. She certainly knows how she must act (recall that she said all the right words in the LBSC), but she just does not have an experience to actually consistency apply her knowledge thus she loses again and again. Here she first felt betrayed (when she felt that her longtime friend have deceived her), then the misunderstanding was cleaned up and for a moment she felt… I don't know, secure, I guess… but now Rhea have got back to high school antics and Alexis, naturally, is “blushing like a schoolgirl”.
Khimru
2014-09-19 21:36:20 +0000 UTC@Zdemian: Why would YOU need a TL;DR ? This is a discussion about something we could only guess about but which you (as author) already know. We've discussed with otakon2006 dangers of Boost and reaction of authorities on these dangers. The information we have right now is inconclusive: it could be highly dangerous substance which will be banned with prejudice (that is: it eventually cripples anyone who ever tries it and after the ban even 1mg detected could lead to a jail time) or it could be treated as something like botox (which is extremely potent and potentially lethal poison yet widely and legally used by cosmetologists... in non-lethal doses and under supervision, of course). Less relaxed regulations are probably unlikely.
Khimru
2014-09-19 10:24:19 +0000 UTCHoly smokes, can I get a TL;DR?
zdemian
2014-09-19 02:56:17 +0000 UTCIf I were to guess, her and Rhea might have been an item in the past, would explain the connections she has and why Cowloon used Alexis' business to develop BOOST originally.
Galka30
2014-09-19 02:16:42 +0000 UTCI'm afraid I find the look on Alexis' face to be uncharacteristically "bewildered".She always has a more "aggressive" or even irritated look and now she looks all doe-eyed?It just doesn't add up.
CZealot
2014-09-19 01:42:48 +0000 UTCBoost has a primary effect which is quite visible, sure. But we have no idea WRT potency of it's side effects. Sarah was supposedly able to control her intake (unlike Emily) and most her classmates were not affected. We have no idea about the level of pleasure it delivers and we don't know if it's uniform of if there are rare people who are heavily affected. As for the “subject uses more and more patches to get the same high”… how THAT part is different from Alcohol? That's what happend with heavy drinkers, too. You would not develop liver cancer, most likely you'll develop liver cirrhosis… but yeah, you are probably right: there is large difference between Alcohol and Boost in raw potency. Even pure Alcohol is not all that potent. But other freely available substances could easily approach Boost in this regard. Things like nicotine and coffeine are almost as potent as Boost (I'm talking about their destrictive potential here, not about “boob enlargement” potential of Boost). Thus now we are back into “everything is poisonous, nothing is poisonous, it is all a matter of dose” zone. Pure substances could be heavily regulated (in some countries even distribution of pure acetic acid is heavily regulated) yet the same thing in less distilled form is freely available (vinegar is sold without limitations).
Khimru
2014-09-18 17:46:26 +0000 UTC*sighs* Except that BOOST is WAY more potent than alcohol, it doesn't cause PERMANENT BIOLOGICAL CHANGES with a SINGLE DOSAGE! You aren't going to drink a single beer and expect your Johnson to be 3 inches longer in about two weeks. BOOST and alcohol aren't on the same levels in terms of effects and addictiveness. For ONE, it's been shown that BOOST is for all intents and purposes a damn sex drug, it stimulates the pleasure centers of the brain in ways that alcohol pales in comparison. It's addictive and an escalating addiction at that, the subject uses more and more patches to get the same high as they did before until eventually they're a barely coherent, irreparably most likely, transformed pile of mismatched breasts. That's pretty damn horrific. You're not gonna develop liver cancer drinking 2 beers a day for a month.
Galka30
2014-09-18 17:15:05 +0000 UTCIn fact if you'll compare BOOST to alcohol you'll see a perfect match from what we are knowing (except for the primary BOOST's side effect, that is). 1. Addictive? Sure. 2. Could cause tumors? Yes (except alcohol causes tumors in liver, not on the surface). 3. Could it be used on ususpecting girls with awful results? It happens frequently. 4. Could it help milk production? Well, opinions differ, but drawings in old pubs in Germany certainly imply that beer is good for nursing mothers (I was in Munich recently and these drawings were source of jokes in our group). Yet somehow it's not banned and is not even regulated all that heavily.
Khimru
2014-09-18 17:04:34 +0000 UTCIf she was used as a test subject herself, then why is there only one recording of BOOST being tested? And on a completely different woman no less. But maybe you're right, maybe she was subject to a treatment similar to BOOST but much slower and gradual and certainly not having the seemingly high chance of addiction to it. But she still is growing, you saw the progression, why would Zdemian suddenly drop that out of the equation? Also, it originating from her(as in, it being a drug developed from her cultures or what not)... could actually be plausible. Hell, she could have used this theorized "proto-BOOST" in her shakes, causing women who took them to slowly grow and need to buy her massive breast oriented workout videos to keep up her viewer/member base and Than just leaked that to the authorities. Anyway, point: No point in doing experiments on small fry when you went out of your way to get the big fish in the first place, otherwise they would have just transferred Miriam over to Cowloon at first and not bothered with the near immobile, hard to house in a enclosed city state, Alexis.
Galka30
2014-09-18 16:59:01 +0000 UTC“Now that it's been released into the world, there's no regulating it”… wow. Just… wow. You are sure you are living on the same planet as the rest of us? Alcohol was released into the world thousand of years ago—yet it's heavily regulated today. The same could be said about tobacco, opium and many other substances. Sure, some substances are banned today, but even highly potent, dangerous and addictive drugs are available for legal purposes. Only tiny handful of substances is banned completely.
Khimru
2014-09-18 16:53:46 +0000 UTCExcept for the simple fact you can't just GO OUT AND BUY Botulism straight up and apply it to yourself. It needs to be done by professionals, with BOOST it's like saying you can do Botox at home(or more in this case, breast augmentation) with no scarring or recovery time. Except that it's highly addictive and eventually causes boob tumors to spring all over the body because of the escalation effect. It's basically the same thing as taking more of a drug to get the same "high" you did as the first time you took it because your body starts building a tolerance for it. It won't stop, even if they do regulate it, the people that would get hooked on it will find ways to get more. Not to mention the possibilities of outright sickos just grabbing some girl and slapping a hundred patches on her for fun. Now that it's been released into the world, there's no regulating it. If it was kept as a prescription, something you couldn't just "get" than MAYBE I wouldn't see the issue with it but Than more or less just dumped it on the populace and said "Have fun, watch out for boobumors".
Galka30
2014-09-18 16:42:25 +0000 UTCSome restrictions, rules and regulations are to be expected, but outright ban? I would not be so sure. Think our world: Botox is THE MOST ACUTELY LETHAL TOXIN known to a man. It could cause serious and life-threatening illness in humans and animals. Yet it's used for cosmetic procedures routinely. “Everything is poisonous, nothing is poisonous, it is all a matter of dose”.
Khimru
2014-09-18 16:35:20 +0000 UTCThey took Alexis in because there are kind of shortage of test subject of that size. Does not mean they want to lose the only test subject they have to freaky problem which could easily be detected and fixed on smaller subjects. We don't know what she was taking, sure, but Ockham's razor says that there are no need to involve strange phenomenons (like constantly naturally growing women) when simple explanation (Alexis was used as a test subject for one of the compounds which her company was developing at the time) is sufficient. Yes, it could be a natural phenomenon (heck, I brought that idea first) but by now it looks less and less likely: if it's naturally occuring phenomenon and BOOST is just some variation of what Alexis naturally produces then why would she need to in the LBSC? If Alexis was the source of the whole thing then why Rhea talks and acts as if Cowloon developed BOOST? And so on. The hyphotesys that Alexis is naturally growing and BOOST originated from her looked sensible some time ago, but not anymore.
Khimru
2014-09-18 16:29:01 +0000 UTCThere is no POINT to escalation tests, they don't NEED to know if it works at smaller sizes, they need to know if it works at HUGE sizes and THAT IS THE ONE OF REASONS THEY TOOK ALEXIS IN, REMEMBER? And I doubt it was BOOST she was taking and from all accounts she still is growing. Who knows maybe it's natural for Alexis? I mean, we've got naturally occurring cowpeople for crying out loud, a woman with naturally growing breasts isn't that out of the question now is it?
Galka30
2014-09-18 15:36:40 +0000 UTCCould be? Not a chance in hell, the only reason it's gotten media attention is because of the side effects from habitual long term usage. There are probably dozens of young women being treated for it by now. It's certainly not legalized that's for certain.
Galka30
2014-09-18 15:34:03 +0000 UTCAgain: what you are saying makes no sense. It could be banned, it could be regulated, we just have no idea at this point. And these cases MUST be rare otherwise it would have been banned already.
Khimru
2014-09-18 10:08:40 +0000 UTCAs I've said: THE WHOLE POINT of using Miriam is not to grow here to Alexis size but to perform escalation tests. “Escalation test” are not time waste. They are done because human subjects are rare and valuable. Alexis-sized test subjects are also rare and valuable. If something will be wrong at Miriam-sized sizes then there are no need to waste the only test “Extra-plus sized" test subject thay have. As for third page… I've not forgotten about it. Yes, Alexis WAS growing, but where you “idea that she wasn't taking BOOST and she wasn't getting physically augmented” comes from? We have NO idea why she grown back then and if she's still growing or not. If it was some kind of BOOST then she could just stop.
Khimru
2014-09-18 10:06:50 +0000 UTCYeah, visibly. They're a walled in city, with NO ONE ABLE TO WATCH. If no one knows they're drinking Bovian milk, no one cares. Pretty sure people would freak over that, even if this world is pretty advanced with body image. Second point, yeah exactly so why WASTE time on someone that wouldn't be able to even have the ability to produce the massive quantities of milk they need for a large scale test? Miriam would need to be boosted to Alexis' current size to be a viable test subject and that would take time and resources. Lastly, she IS still growing or did you forget the third page of the comic itself? <a href="http://zdemian.deviantart.com/art/Let-s-Burn-Some-Muscle-p03-359849356" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://zdemian.deviantart.com/art/Let-s-Burn-Some-Muscle-p03-359849356</a> She clearly got bigger over time, she wasn't taking BOOST and she wasn't getting physically augmented. She's been steadily getting bigger over the years and she'll continue to do so now even though BOOST has ...well "boosted" her to her big as Than state. I still theorize she was taking some kind of bastardization of BOOST however, something that worked slower and didn't cause addiction and euphoria.
Galka30
2014-09-18 06:17:38 +0000 UTCIt's going to be banned and you know it if only because of it's highly addictive properties. And not RARE cases either, continual habitual use WILL cause the tumors.
Galka30
2014-09-18 06:11:46 +0000 UTCAnd about Boost. Again — you are ignoring the evidence and jumping to conclusions. Substances which are “causing in all practicality long time users to develop tumors” are banned, you know, and often their possession becomes criminal liability. AFAICS Boost is not banned yet. Sure, “regulators and law enforcement have been widely criticized for a slow response to the emergence of Boost”, but this does not change the fact that it's not yet banned. This means that yes, in some RARE cases it could lead to some severe complications yet it's not THAT problematic. More like an alcohol or a tabacco rather than heroin or desomorphine. Of course it's new, it's long-term effects are not yet all known and their frequency is also a mystery thus it still could be reclassificied as List I drug ( <a href="http://goo.gl/sFZ3yc" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/sFZ3yc</a> ), but right now we only know that it could cause some addiction and when applied in extreme quantities it could cause tumors, that's all.
Khimru
2014-09-17 18:10:32 +0000 UTCClosed insular city states could only exist as long as they are not producing too onerous rumours. If they concentrate too much on results and ignore morality too visibly then they disappear because their neighbours stop tolerating that cesspool. That's what happened to Kowloon Walled City in our world. Time will tell if LBSM's Cowloon will repeat it's fate, but it looked somewhat more stable to me. As for “gilded cage is still a cage”… sure, but it if you hope to ever leave it then your first priority is time: the sooner Cowloon will get the results they are seeking the sooner Alexis will stop being a valuable [potential] guinea pig and then their hospitality will disappear. Of course if they'll decide that her stubborness makes her a liability not an asset then they could change their tune too, thus she needs to strike a balance between these two approaches. And last but not least: you are claiming that “she's still growing” again and again… but why? We have NO evidence that she's still growing (outside of the LBSC incident, that is)!
Khimru
2014-09-17 17:56:08 +0000 UTC@Khimru; Ah, okay I get it now. I misread it, artificial insemination, got it. As for the mad scientist plan, the HELL do you think Than did? It was shown that BOOST'ing is addictive and potentially crippling, causing in all practicality long time users to develop tumors(extra breasts of various sizes) all over their bodies. It's pretty damn clear that long term effects on the health of the individual were not considered and why the project was originally abandoned. Than of course, does not GIVE a damn if it does or not, she's fucking nuts about tits, obsessed even. As for Cowloon being "respectable", they're a closed insular city state. Pretty sure they're concerned with results over morality, Alexis is just lucky it's a friend of hers in charge really. Any other character probably would have had her strapped up into a harness for plowing by now. As for Alexis, she's going to HAVE to go along with them sooner or later. She just can't sit there taking up more and more space(which eventually she will, she's still growing). She still doesn't really have a choice in this. Sure, Rhea seems a lot more friendly but she's still imprisoned and still under the "ownership" of someone else. A gilded cage is still a cage.
Galka30
2014-09-17 17:13:44 +0000 UTCAre we still discussing something related to reality or are we suddenly moved now to some crazy let's-ignore-science-as-much-as-we-can land? “Calving” does not affect mother's DNA in any way, shape or form (there are placential barrier, you know: <a href="http://goo.gl/8QnPjG" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/8QnPjG</a> ). Similarly “beneficial genes” offered could only affect offspring, they could not affect Alexis directly (they could change her biochemistly, though). You idea that Cowloon does “TONS of body modification research that then gets released out into the world” have also no basis in comic: if they are doing “TONS of research” which then “gets released out into the world” then why would they need Alexis company as a cover? Sure, they are doing SOME research, but we don't know it's scale and, most likely, it's either on early stages, or it's not very well-known outside of Cowloon. And if “experiments were more or less cancelled and the data mothballed after one successful test run” then you don't suddenly throw caution to the wind and try to do something reckless: it works well as “a single madman scientist who have nothing to loose” plot device, but that's not how respectable corporations are doing things. And Cowloon looked more like a respectable corporation rather that “crazy syndycate run by an insane madman” to me. Of course looks could be deceiving or, more likely, some preliminary experiments with smaller BOOSTed subjected were already conducted, but this does not mean that Alexis should acquiesce to Rhea's demands without even asking. And since we are not talking about experiment which could be conducted ASAP (“calving” needs months, you know) some delay could be easily justified if it'll help to raise confidence in the success of the whole thing. I don't think Rhea will accept firm “no” from Alexis, but “may be yes in the future if certains conditions are met” is not something she could realistically object: himan experiments are tricky, they could easily become a PR disaster if not handled right.
Khimru
2014-09-17 16:20:51 +0000 UTCShe offered her "calving" aka get knocked up by a Bovian OR have some Bovian genes inserted into her DNA to cause "beneficial(which would be relative in this case)" mutations allowing her to start lactating. It's obvious that Cowloon does TONS of body modification research that then gets released out into the world. And at a genetic level to boot, you've seen some of the girls. It's not surgical, it's down to their very DNA they've been altered. Look, the point before is they already have a large scale experiment set up and that's the kind of results they're looking for. They don't want small scale, they want to see if a woman with breasts as big as Alexis' can lactate massive amounts of milk from BOOST exposure. Hell could be that BOOST dries them up or other side effects, we haven't really seen the long term effects of it yet as the experiments were more or less cancelled and the data mothballed after one successful test run.
Galka30
2014-09-17 15:36:37 +0000 UTC“Gene drafting” was never offered AFAICS: it was an offer to use women's genes instead of “nice beau” to induce pregnancy. As for your inhuman ideas WRT “no small scale experiments needed”… that's “insane madman scientist experiments” style. I was under impression that LBSM was shooting for realism where NOEAL ( <a href="http://goo.gl/Mwb89D" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/Mwb89D</a> ) is determined first and where you do tests in phases ( <a href="http://goo.gl/JbawVr" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/JbawVr</a> ). You could skip phase 0 (Exploratory trials) and go straight to Phase I (Dose escalation studies) but, well, “dose escalation studies” are named “dose escalation studies” for a reason. You could not say that “you've already got the large scale ready to go” if you don't have results of smaller-scale experiments on hand, you are supposed to go from smaller doses to larger doses. It's as simple as that. Sure, Cowloon may ignore all the safety rules and perhaps get away with that, but if this these crimes against humanity will be discovered then they could lose much more than just money from sales of milk. But then forced pregnancy is one of crimes against humanity by itself ( <a href="http://goo.gl/dxdt7S" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/dxdt7S</a> ) thus perhaps Cowloon is already too far gone to actually care about such “trivialities”.
Khimru
2014-09-17 03:48:29 +0000 UTCI'm more concerned about the gene grafting. I mean, would Alexis even want to be part Bovian? Oh sure I can hear you say "But it's just the bits that would let her heavily lactate" except they've never tried it on a human exposed to such massive amounts of BOOST over a short time. Also to earlier about using Miriam, you NEVER go with a small scale experiment when you've already got the large scale ready to go. On to this itself, yowzers that was steamy. The look on Miriams face is just priceless and I think that's the first time I've seen Alexis look that...well for lack of a better term right now, vulnerable. Rhea you are a naughty Grand Poohbah CEO.
Galka30
2014-09-17 02:21:40 +0000 UTCThat blush is so cute!
Curiositie
2014-09-16 23:55:24 +0000 UTCThis is pretty much how I feel at the moment. Hot lesbian redhead with giant lips and boobs, or smart, sexy cowgirl with extra boobage. Life's full of tough decisions.
BioYuGi
2014-09-16 23:27:59 +0000 UTCRhea, stop trying to usurp Annabel as my favorite. That's just cruel.
VersusMe, Arbiter of Mermaid Law
2014-09-16 23:25:38 +0000 UTCBwa-ha-ha. Didn't expect that. Bad Rhea: to leave Alexis right after presenting such a suggestive idea. I mean: Alexis probably does not know but Rhea is ought to know that “calving” is not actually needed. One could, indeed, use drugs or just a physical stimulation… regular breast suckling will elicit lactation just fine.
Khimru
2014-09-16 22:55:28 +0000 UTCWow.
Daniel Short
2014-09-16 22:45:33 +0000 UTC
