(uncut) Queen Of Tears Ep 5
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I know I'm late to watching this, but it's quite frustrating seeing men dismiss men's emotions. I get it, she's sick and I sympathise with her whole heartedly. But men's feelings always get dismissed, almost like they're not allowed to have emotions and feelings towards things. Especially scenarios like miscarriage. Men are constantly told they should show their emotions more, yet when they do they are dismissed and are expected to push them to the side for the sake of a woman's feelings. I sympathise for them both equally but in different ways.
Laura_
2024-06-08 12:59:13 +0000 UTCLove and hated it there. Vikii comments cpild be so hateful but I appreciated them at the time stamps
Sal
2024-04-20 01:13:02 +0000 UTCLove Viki live comment sections bro... favorite thing about Viki 😂
Heavenly Demonic Emperor
2024-04-20 01:11:57 +0000 UTCOh just realized the orphan dude is jae jun from the glory
RENISNOTOK
2024-04-18 20:21:28 +0000 UTCafter watching this ep i kind of understand how hyunwoo had the last straw and decided divorce like do yall remember in ep 1 when the family was asking them to just have a kid and then hynwoo asked do you really want to have baby with me and haein was so nonchalant in saying if its neededwhy not? i think it triggered hyunwoo cause they werent still over the trauma
Shreya
2024-04-18 11:07:59 +0000 UTCshe definitely never fell out of love and has always been waiting for him.
Jelly_bean
2024-04-17 10:07:57 +0000 UTCI don't think this is how he found out about the miscarriage, but just that he came home one day and Hae in had ordered the room to be cleaned out. It was obviously hurting her too much to look at it. Hae-in had a miscarriage, obviously he lost a baby too but the blow for the mother when she is the one carrying the baby is tough. The guilt she would feel about not being able to carry to term etc. He shouldn't have just up and left the room even if she was being cold/trying to be strong. He should have been there for her, like he said he would, but he closed himself off. I don't think she ever fell out of love with him, but didn't know how to handle it when he shut down and she just became accustomed to their new normal. I think that's why it's so hard for her to be vulnerable with him; being rejected so much over the past few episodes when she put herself out there (the cuddle, kiss, letting him know what she was experiencing and asking him to come to Germany) must have hurt a lot. Also you have to remember that her family is absolutely toxic, she's literally never had anyone to support her emotionally so being strong and independent was how she had to cope because being vulnerable was a weakness in the family.
Jelly_bean
2024-04-17 09:57:21 +0000 UTCI want to say that a lot of people were upset with Hyunwoo the past few episodes and I completely understand why, but tbh I understand his point of view... The bed/kiss scene, you can tell that he's so scared to fall back in love with his wife because not only did they lose their child, but the possibility of him losing her also scares him. They showed him looking up at the stars while tear coming down his cheek is to portray that she could be another star on his ceiling he'd have to look up at was definitely understated and in my opinion poignant scene. After coming back from Yongduri, I understand why Haein was hurt and I feel for her also because if I was stood up like that I would be upset also, but I also feel that she had put up walls between them again, and let Eunsoong touch her in front of Hyunwoo which I felt like was a little disrespectful- especially since Eunsoong was crossing lines with an already married couple. We can't blame Hyunwoo completely, especially seeing how she was okay with Eunsoong holding her in front of him. I feel like Haein not telling Hyunwoo about going to Germany made him also feel like he wasn't needed or wanted- it's not an excuse but I can see how he might've felt about her not answering his calls and finding out from Aunt Beomja about her leaving for Germany without him. My point is that as much as people are mad at Hyunwoo, I understand where he's coming from. I understand both of them, and I am team BaekHong, because they truly do love each other but they just forgot along the way or at least Hyunwoo forgot how much he loved Haein. I really enjoy your guys Patreon about this show, and I can't wait for you guys to catch up to the latest episodes because this show and the plot twists are so good. Thank you so much for this awesome content! 😊
SKA
2024-04-16 20:51:18 +0000 UTCI also think the husband already knows about Hae-In’s brother that passed away (we still don’t know if that happened when Hae-in was a kid or an adult or what but if they were kids, it must have been on the news or something), but I think everytime Hae-in has those episodes where she’s in the snow, that might be related to her brother who died…
94_h
2024-04-16 20:46:11 +0000 UTCWhat an interesting drama, wow. Director had the biggest disgust face when the husband ditched the wife to be with his brother, lol, but he had an even bigger disgust face when that orphan evil asshole was at their home. I feel like that portrait he wants to gift to the Chairman must have a camera or something… It was very sus. The Chairman’s mistress (or os to wife? Are they married?) is very sus as well. Remember how the Aunt said that their Mother died in a weird way cause she got a heart attach or something, and maybe that mistress caused it cause she’s plotting for real. Also, the wife of Hae-In’s brother’s is also hiding something else, besides her personality and attitude.
94_h
2024-04-16 20:36:09 +0000 UTCI agree with all of the above, I'd also like to add that Hyunwoo and Haein also grew up in completely different family backgrounds- Hyunwoo's family are very involved, and they share each others struggles and have clear open communication with each other. Haein's family is the complete opposite, everyone is for themselves- this is also where the couple differs when it comes to their communication.
SKA
2024-04-16 09:05:51 +0000 UTC35:06 I took her saying “ You don’t have the right to cry” as her blaming herself for the miscarriage. Even though we know that she likely isn’t, she blames herself as most women who are going through that do. Which also makes it way worse that he left her at that time because now in her head she’s thinking ‘he blames me too’. Since right afterwards he moved rooms and they got cold towards each other, so she probably resented him for leaving her at that time which explains her coldness the first couple episodes while also still loving him and wanting him back. Remember first episode she said “treat the people around you better” in the elevator and she genuinely looked hurt when he said ‘you mean you?’ Or whatever it was. But yea that was all.
Brooklynn Turner
2024-04-16 04:36:59 +0000 UTCRight the fact that this couple uses dangling often granted I've also heard that women use this often when upset with their sig.other but it's the fact that even when upset they still use a different term. I imagine it's the same as when your sig. Other says your name instead of a pet name lol
Royal Yaya
2024-04-16 04:10:20 +0000 UTCI can't wait for you guys to get to ep 8
Norkis Massiel
2024-04-16 03:57:57 +0000 UTCI asked my mother the dame thing after these episodes lol. I'm not letting anyone up in my house like especially my secret basement 🤣
Sal
2024-04-16 03:24:50 +0000 UTCJust wanted to add that I'm not a big fan of watching shows that are still airing but I do enjoy the live discussion and comments on everyone's perspectives on the show and tbeir relationship 😊.
Sal
2024-04-16 03:22:58 +0000 UTCIt really was heartbreaking seeing the scene if when their relationship broke completely (sure their were cracks before). I can see the baby thing from Haein's perspective, miscarriage is hard on both parents but she's also *physically* experienced the trauma of losing a baby. I would want everything out of my sight too. The fact they never talked about it showed their marriage already not great. They never had rough patches and never learned to deal with harder times together.
Sal
2024-04-16 03:14:05 +0000 UTCRight! I wish the translates used baby instead of her name. Her ans the MIL's relationship is so cute we
Sal
2024-04-16 03:08:44 +0000 UTC46:30 Adorkable! 🔥🔥🔥
fatou
2024-04-16 02:38:38 +0000 UTCthis person didn't listen to the entire end talk cause I don't think you are being too hard on ML and you guys cover all sides of it imho.
Mochi
2024-04-16 01:35:11 +0000 UTCwhenever i hear "dangsin" "aga" "yeobo" "jagiya" my ears go soft cause that's so sweet
Mochi
2024-04-16 01:33:08 +0000 UTChaha i commented this earlierrrr cause it was so sweet
Mochi
2024-04-16 01:32:21 +0000 UTCI also want to point out the closeness of Hye-in and her mother in law. The MIL even calls her "baby" instead of her name or daughter-in-law(like how her family calls him son-in law). Theres little nuances like this that I wish was translated. I saw it too in MMH where Ms.Yang would call Jiwon "honey".
Royal Yaya
2024-04-15 23:42:47 +0000 UTCI agree with almost everything you said except I do think she's in denial about the state of her marriage. Just my interpretation of this character and the actions I've seen from her so far. And I never called her irrational, I said her obliviousness confused me, which isn't the same thing at all
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 23:10:07 +0000 UTCif you think about her upbringing, it's really not a surprise to why she could be this way. she literally never knew proper affection and love until she met this man and even then he's been slowly closing himself off to her because of her family. it's literally her family that has brainwashed her into thinking she can't show emotion and that any sort of crack in her armor is a weakness...on top of that she's not at all in denial, she's actually grieving in her own way but because her parents have hurt her so much...she's scared to be vulnerable. She literally lost a baby. It's one thing to lose a baby as a father...but as a mother, in their culture, they even have a name before the child is born. They call it a womb name. So imagine you had a pet you cherished and loved and then you accidentally ran it over with your own car cause you weren't paying attention and so focused on work and your family that you neglected your personal life? That's what they're both going through, the aftermath of her being so focused on pleasing her family and trying to be perfect.... I'd almost venture to say she even had an MC because of how pressured she was by her family. It's easier to close yourself off than to feel that overwhelming sadness, and to worry about being strong for your partner is also another thing entirely. Some people think that carrying their burdens on their own is better than asking for help because then they won't be adding their problems to someone else's pile as a form of empathy. It's hyper independence that most adults with childhood trauma delevelop to cope with having unreliable parents or unavailable support system...maybe you haven't picked up on it but I just can't see how you could think her behavior is irrational when you visibly see how her mother treats her. From the first episode her parents even decided they should have a child and when they should have it as well as what the name should be without such a whisper of a conversation and her mom literally called her an ungrateful selfish bitch over a mistake her brother made! Which is NOT uncommon for most conservative traditional households to favor the spoiled idiot son over the capable daughter btw
Mochi
2024-04-15 23:04:24 +0000 UTC@Rock Lee Well I'm good as long as OP is. No hard feelings whatsoever.
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 21:26:22 +0000 UTCWell I see where we have a misunderstanding....I meant in overall, as in that's a part of her personality and has been from the start. I feel that loss of the baby exacerbated the issue, but the fact remains she has difficulty with self-awareness, communication and empathy.
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 21:25:28 +0000 UTCSure , but given the fact that the topic in discussion surrounds a miscarriage I find their point insensitive. And I didn’t call them crazy however I do believe saying her emotional intelligence is in the negatives over how she has handled something that stemed from losing her baby is crazy . That’s a hill I’m willing to die on , sorry though I’m not saying another word to her about this .
Sne Msomi
2024-04-15 21:19:18 +0000 UTCI also believe her guilt stems from losing the baby
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 21:14:38 +0000 UTCThis is an assumption but to have that reaction I’m sure Hae-in didn’t show him that she cried over the miscarriage even once before this and then to: 1) decide on her own she cleaning out the room 2) “it gets on my nerves” “we don’t need it anymore” straight face, no tears 3) while on the phone for work. She’s the devil in his eyes at this point. If he was a weaker OR a stronger man he would have left the house OR stay by her side. But he a kinda wishywashy guy in general cause she proposed to him.
Pilausky
2024-04-15 21:14:33 +0000 UTCNever said that *she* isn't intelligent, but I think her ability to read and understand emotional moments is stunted due to how she was raised and her family environment. The reactors even said the exact same thing in the previous episode. You don't agree and that's fine, but we all see that this woman is damaged in many ways, yes?
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 21:13:41 +0000 UTCThe fact that everyone is watching this type of show my opinion speak volumes to their character. We are family here
Rock Lee
2024-04-15 21:13:23 +0000 UTCDang this escalated. I think its important not to get personal. Describing a character objectively even if one disagrees shouldn’t prompt personal insults. Come on guys. We watching a show where the characters dont communicate well. We can be better
Rock Lee
2024-04-15 21:12:45 +0000 UTCI see. Well thank you
Rock Lee
2024-04-15 21:09:55 +0000 UTCYes I’m talking to you . She’s not stupid , she knows he left to grieve , she tells herself She has no right to grieve out guilt . Of course she think he is still grieving because she’s doing the same , her password is a constant reminder , She clearly hasn’t moved on and to her neither has he . To call that low emotional intelligence is crazy .
Sne Msomi
2024-04-15 21:06:24 +0000 UTCi am caught up lol and just realized that line, guess it hit me really hard and influenced how i see Hyun-woo while rewatching the early ep with you guys. Cause it really does sum him up perfectly and why the two are such opposites
Yoruka
2024-04-15 20:58:27 +0000 UTC@Sne You're addressing me? How am I insensitive? And my media literacy isnt lacking just because I disagree with you, on one point I might add.
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 20:58:00 +0000 UTCThey moved the stuff after they lost the baby.... that was not when he found out. During that time, she was the closed off one who hide her emotions while he was the more emotional one. They grieved separately and when she said she had not right to cry, that was her blaming herself for losing the baby. Miscommunication man...
Majestic
2024-04-15 20:56:31 +0000 UTCAre you caught up? Thats an advanced answer particularly the opening line. Haha
Rock Lee
2024-04-15 20:11:15 +0000 UTCThat’s great feedback. What would you like for the next video? I can say what you would like in the intro or something. I don’t want to disappoint anyone.
Rock Lee
2024-04-15 20:08:09 +0000 UTCYeah but the family is extremely overwhelming because even I believed they were all awful to him until that conversation with yoon and the matchmaker. The family seem extremely open to outsiders and that made my realise they don’t heavily rely on him for privacy, they do it because they trust his judgment . Their intention doesn’t change the fact that they are draining him unfortunately.
Sne Msomi
2024-04-15 20:06:54 +0000 UTCY'all are hating on the ML way too much. That dude is literally the shield of the FL and her family. Both the ML and FL did a lot for each other and truly deserve each other.
KPK
2024-04-15 20:01:44 +0000 UTCRelationships are about communication because people can’t reminds. The one thing I don’t get about Hae-In is that she won’t let Hyun-Woo. If she doesn’t let her a family in that’s but she should have opened up to him. Hyun-Woo is clueless.
Dirty_Oldman
2024-04-15 19:58:24 +0000 UTCAn episode one when he declined the idiot son request the mother snapped at him. Which is also because she is super protective over her son. And i guess she is mean to anyone that is in her sons way including Hae in. So you are totally correct. I was/am still under standing the nuance of the characters and how they interact with each other
Rock Lee
2024-04-15 19:56:52 +0000 UTCNow that I’ve started a re-watching it, It’s the mother who treats him badly not the other family members. The other family members are suffocating to towards him But it’s only the women who actually treat him “bad”
Rock Lee
2024-04-15 19:55:29 +0000 UTCLol
Francis M
2024-04-15 19:55:23 +0000 UTCI think you’re awfully insensitive and your media literacy might be low because how can you come to such a stale conclusion.
Sne Msomi
2024-04-15 19:53:43 +0000 UTCI’m glad y’all understood her , alot of people don’t which I find disappointing because while they both hurting from losing the baby it’s will always be worse for her . Also additionally the family doesn’t treat him horribly , they rely on him way too much because they trust his decisions and inputs . Even in episode 1 the other in laws sat outside while he got to attend the memorial, they value him . Unfortunately though they are business driven so I get that everything is overwhelming and frustrating, because besides her mom who we know is a loser we never actually saw the others disrespect him . Y’all were even shocked about the dad complimenting him episode 3 however I don’t remember him being mean to him .
Sne Msomi
2024-04-15 19:48:53 +0000 UTCHyun-woo is a person who takes every word at face value and is very naïve in the relationship, while Hae-in is cold and very closed off and doesnt express her emotions to even her closest person. That is why in the situation of her moving the nursery out he took it as her moving on without a care and forgetting about their unborn child, while we ofc see that is not how it is. With the end scene in this episode of Hyun-woo expressing how much he had cried, and Hae-in saying "did i ever tell you not to be by my side" You can see that she never told him to leave, but she also never told him to stay, that is why their relationship soured so quickly. Both have awful communication skills, Hyun-woo not being able to see between her cracks, and Hae-in trying her best to hide those emotions in those cracks in her persona.
Yoruka
2024-04-15 19:17:08 +0000 UTCIdk she seems to be so deep in denial. It's hard (for me) to believe that she's thinking "oh he's grieving, I'll just wait for him". She's so intelligent in every other way but her emotional intelligence has to be in the negative. 😩
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 18:35:25 +0000 UTC100% this
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 18:32:36 +0000 UTCI also never put it together until this reaction, at the beginning they were talking about how she was ok with continuing to be in the “bad marriage” . having that thought sitting in the back of my head while watching made me realise that to her this was just a little phase that she thought will pass once he healed , she never thought it was over . Which explains why she’s very open to being intimate with him in previous episodes , she’s not uncomfortable around him and if he came back to their room she wouldn’t be bothered.
Sne Msomi
2024-04-15 18:30:04 +0000 UTCI wanna mention a little endear way Hyunwoo's mom addresses Hae-in as "Aga" which is like how you call your precious children, like sweetie or darlin. it just means "baby" but coming from your mother in law...it's so sweet and you can just feel the love whenever she calls Hae-in that. She really loves her kids and anyone close to her kids. I wish they translated it properly.
Mochi
2024-04-15 18:27:28 +0000 UTCWow, that was a very insightful read. I was still trying to work out why Haein didn’t feel particularly bitter toward him like he did, and now it makes more sense that she just was waiting for him to get through his grief in his own way. Ugh that makes perfect sense! 🤌🏽👍🏽
raeven b.
2024-04-15 18:20:55 +0000 UTCOmg right?!!!!
raeven b.
2024-04-15 18:16:26 +0000 UTCI am absolutely smitten with their love story, man. Ugh. I’ve already teared up at least 5 times this episode, and that’s just ridiculous lol
raeven b.
2024-04-15 18:15:07 +0000 UTCI definitely I can understand why you guys would be more on haein’s side and more sympathetic towards her vs hyunwoo. I kinda still disagree with that. I still think that it takes two to tango and both did things in the marriage that would warrant either side to getting a divorce. Communication is not only key but a two way street. In my opinion when hyunwoo confronts her about taking away the baby’s stuff from the room. It was her moment to be vulnerable with her husband and be truthful to why she want’s the baby’s stuff out of the room and instead she deflects and is not very truthful as why she’s doing it . Which causes a misunderstanding/miscommunication with hyunwoo. Hyunwoo on his part could’ve read more of her body language instead of simply taking her word for it. But I partly chalk it up to them getting married in a whirlwind romantic manner and not actually really getting to know each other before they marry. Director is right. I do think that this moment with the loss of their baby and haein taking their baby’s stuff out of the nursery then had hyunwoo escalate it even further by sleeping the baby’s room. After that it just became worse and worse I think over time.
Kiana
2024-04-15 18:08:27 +0000 UTCI don’t think that’s how he found out about the miscarriage, I think they’ve known for a while and she cleaned out the room because it hurt seeing it . That situation was handled terribly he shouldn’t have moved out and she should’ve said it hurt her not that it got on her nerves. Her not wanting to see baby things every day is valid however he didn’t understand that because of the words she used . She obviously blames herself for the miscarriage therefore gave him some space to grieve hoping that he will eventually come back , that’s probably why divorce was never on her mind . She also very open to sleep with him etc because she had no animosity towards him she’s been waiting .
Sne Msomi
2024-04-15 18:05:00 +0000 UTCI love your well balanced commentary. In watching the last two episodes it’s clear to (me at least) that she’s still in love with her husband and the fights and arguments were just a part of marriage to her. What she told the villain in episode 3 about love is what she felt. I do feel bad for the ML he gaslit himself into believing he wasn’t still in love with his wife.
Lizbeth Perry
2024-04-15 17:45:38 +0000 UTCIdk how hae in’s family even got so successful based on what was shown to us. The way each and every member just be letting strangers into their lives makes them seem like an easy mark to me.
jason ross
2024-04-15 17:42:13 +0000 UTCI'm just gonna update while I watch 12:00 they said this woman never even visited the family b4 she got her diagnosis. I'm glad she was willing to help her father-in-law out, but it seems to be a part of this empathy she's experiencing 24:15 I'm so confused on how she thought they had a loving relationship when they've been estranged for 3 years now. How can she be that unaware if y'all don't sleep together, spend time together or anything? Like how is she this oblivious? 35:00 I understand more why he's trying so hard to fight his feelings. They're both deeply traumatized by the loss of their child so I can see why he wouldn't want to open himself up to that again. She mostly just seems to be in denial about everything.
Infinite Ree
2024-04-15 17:41:29 +0000 UTCPerfect timing, I just got out of work ❤️
summer
2024-04-15 17:36:40 +0000 UTCThat new song they sprang in us at that moment where they were so close to kissing??? It was hitting! 🔥🎵 I foresee it being my fave. So good.
raeven b.
2024-04-15 17:23:43 +0000 UTCPerrrfect timing. PRISTINE timing! I was literally just about to start my lunch break and was wondering what I should watch when I’d been all caught up with show reaction episodes from all my faves, and then I get an email for QOT. Perfect!! Thank you guys!! 🤌🏽🩵🙌🏾
raeven b.
2024-04-15 17:07:23 +0000 UTC
