THIS EPISODE SET ME OFF! No Ko Episode 2 Reaction To Aqua The Dream KILLER! Commentary Video
Added 2023-04-22 03:24:07 +0000 UTC
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In this exchange your missing what i have an issue with is the means and only the means. That being said within like 1 more episode. It’s already “fixed” Aquas long term plan worked in a manner that appeases my emotion and he does trickery throughout the show. Thats just his thing
Rock Lee
2023-07-21 14:59:52 +0000 UTCExactly lol. You seem to understand my entire psychology. Hahah. People dont even want me having any frustrations about the process lol and they are not listening and following my entire point. They are cherry picking sentence phrases and arguing with that. And most dont watch the full video. People argue about a sound byte
Rock Lee
2023-07-21 14:47:21 +0000 UTCI reiterate. The ONLY issue is the sabotage behind her back. Last they are both minors. I wouldn’t have made a video about a parent or legal guardian stopping their child from perusing that industry.
Rock Lee
2023-07-21 14:44:30 +0000 UTCShe's a minor. She doesn't get to have the "choice" that will harm her. Imagine if your sister wants to try drugs, do you let her in order to give her a choice? If she wants to hang out with a bunch of thugs that are well known for being violent and dangerous are you gonna let her have such a choice? She can have her choice when she's an adult, but as a minor and a legal guardian if she gets burned i'm going to be the one who is gonna get charged with child neglect.
Random Guy
2023-07-21 11:29:13 +0000 UTCI don't even get the argument here. Most of us including Lee got the point: Aqua did something awful to protect Ruby which was logical and effective. The showbiz industry, especially the idol industry is exploitative by nature. They groom girls as young as 12 to be the next stars, and most fail. 15 years old is not necessarily a good age to be making life-changing decisions in an adult's world. These minors are exposed and prone to exploitations by adults in positions of power and authority over their careers. Starting at 18 when they are legal adults already to make decisions for themselves doesn't work in the idol industry. The showbiz industry is lurking with predators and groomers whether it's in Japan, Hollywood, or other countries, there's no denying that. This didn't work well for Ai who got pregnant as a minor and not having any family to take care of or watch out for her surely didn't help. Aqua cared about the end, regardless of how awful the means to that end is. It's okay to get angry about it just as much as to agree to it. In fact, they're not even mutually exclusive. You can also disagree about his means while understanding the logic. If Lee didn't like Aqua's actions, that's his reaction and opinion to hold and a very valid one, regardless if I don't share the same opinion and this is just as valid. That's just how moral dilemma goes, and it conflicted philosophers of the past as much as us at present. We should let people have opinions, whether it's the same or opposing ones.
Meow
2023-07-21 09:51:59 +0000 UTCWell, while you’re going deep into Reincarnation. Taking in consideration your memories in the body of a younger version again. You’re now being influenced again by your hormones in a way that you have not faced in decades depending on your age now. You can legit come off as a genius kid. You can make a guess but he won’t know unless I tell him. And his guess may or may not be accurate
Rock Lee
2023-04-23 00:55:55 +0000 UTCLmao. Same bro
Rock Lee
2023-04-23 00:52:12 +0000 UTCIf I’m being honest, I just wanted to pipe in haha. I know this vid is for the full team Aqua squad peeps. But hmm, you’re saying Aqua wouldn’t be able to guess unless you guys said something? Between mannerisms, jokes, social concepts and just life knowledge. Especially after 10+ years of living with this person to figure out at least their age range. But maybe I’m going to deep into reincarnations
Wolfking Theoutlaw
2023-04-23 00:50:02 +0000 UTClook I have a younger sibling so yes I would have done the very thing aqua did weather it was behind his back or to his face. Because not only did he pick a unless job that wouldnt give him any skills after the military. He could very well get killed, (like ruby) lucky he didnt get deployed and he wised up and changed job so now he'll be better off civilian side. (My brother and I are in the miliary)
Kyle Kahl
2023-04-23 00:14:41 +0000 UTCMan I'm with you 1000% on that theory. But we could also just be built different. Cause I know if I read the Manga, I could still make an opinion about what's currently happening in the anime. Even if I know how things will turn out. We definitely will see though 😂
Osiris Cage
2023-04-22 22:51:53 +0000 UTCHahaha. Brother thanks for observing the same thing. I find most people do actually agree that is method is wrong. But they dont lead with it ha. They say a whole lot of stuff I actually agree with or agree enough to not argue. But the very criticism is triggering to people and i can bet a large portion simply know the outcome of the story so feel justified in their feelings. They know they know Ruby is going to regret the decision and cant remove the future information from their brains when making an argument in the present. Without knowing the manga information it could go extremely well or extremely bad. You can tell. It’s very subtle but its like. “Oh yall know the outcome haha. But you cant say that. Thats why this episode isn’t has 50/50 as it SHOULD be. The overwhelming support i see for Aqua despite the violation of his sister’s sovereignty lets me know y’all know the end justifies the means. While I’m basing my feelings on the current circumstances information at hand. So they would come back and say..”see i told you” and I’d say. Well if i read the writer is going to confirm Aqua making the right choice in hindsight … I would have agreed to haha. But I havnt read it lol. Thats my theory. We shall see
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 22:38:40 +0000 UTCYou do so behind her back and remove the “choice” from her thought?
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 21:44:02 +0000 UTCI love how a yes or no question can never be answered. Do y'all agree with his methods or not? lmao I personally do not agree. He definitely crossed the line. Yes! I understand why he did it, but it still doesn't make it right. Using trauma and mental illnesses as an excuse to do heinous things, is not ok either. If anything he needs to be getting professional help instead of interfering with his sisters life
Osiris Cage
2023-04-22 21:43:25 +0000 UTCKnowing the things that I know about japanese idol industry in Japan, I'd rather hurt my sister's feeling than get herself hurt being an idol. In japan you will regularly hear of Japanese idols killing themselves, getting abused, getting assaulted, getting bullied. The terrifying thing is that only a very small amount of abuses actually come out to light because of all the cover ups these agencies are doing? There was even a case with NGT48 where apparently the competition with hierarchy in the group is so competitive that her co-idols leaked her personal details leading to her getting attacked by 2 men. AKB48 (and the other 48 idol groups), probably the most popular Idol group in Japan is founded by two people. One of its founders Shiba Kotaro, is a member of the Yamaguchi-gumi Goto-gumi Yakuza group. Yamaguchi-gumi is japan's largest yakuza (known for sex industry, extortion, gambling etc ). The AKB48 management never denied their connection to the yakuza. And when they're too old they get thrown out after graduating with little to no job skills. A lot of them go to pornography of cabaret or really dangerous jobs. Knowing all that I would never risk my sister even if she hates me for it. In oshi-no-ko the only silver lining is that she is now managed by her own family so now its almost impossible for her to get backstabbed by her own agency. Probably thats why Aqua let it go in the end.
Random Guy
2023-04-22 21:42:11 +0000 UTCit not just about getting killed. There have been scandals of agencies pimping their talents to rich people, producers, etc for sponsorships. Crazy fans are just one part of the danger.
Random Guy
2023-04-22 21:26:07 +0000 UTCThe video is about whether or not its cool to lie and deceive your sibling because you don’t agree with the career path. So to he clear. Is that the part you support? I don’t mean to sound rude. Most people all agree the industry is bad for a young girl but the part that matters for the video is…what’s acceptable method to stop your sibling.
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 21:22:58 +0000 UTCYea i agree with you. “He’s crazy for all the fake calls”. Lol. The whole video is for that point. Everything else I read here is besides the point haha. So i agree. I’d say…if anyone from my channel got reincarnated Aqua wouldn’t be able to tell we were adults unless we said something hahaha.
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 21:21:24 +0000 UTCHow many idols do you think get killed ?
Aglesh
2023-04-22 19:59:26 +0000 UTCSorry gotta side with aqua here he’s way more mature and understands how dangerous the idol career is and he just doesn’t want the same thing that happened to Ai happen to her
Sparky
2023-04-22 19:20:51 +0000 UTCSo out of all the pateron shows ive seen, this is the one that finally got me to comment something haha. Although we don't know, ima go from the standpoint that Aqua knows his sister is a young girl or at least died young. Cause its been what 10-15 years living with her? I think you should be able to at least get hints shes not a grown woman. And he might have been early to mid 30s. And to have Ai die at 19, which is just super super young. I can see him taking a "guardian" or that "parental" route and forcing her to at least grow up more before taking the ultimatum dive of being an Idol. And as a big brother I "respect" it. But don't get me wrong hes crazy for the fake calls. A whole other point, what if Aqua is worried that the dad might kill Ruby too if she going into the spotlight again? But then again he could've had them killed with Ai so another theory.
Wolfking Theoutlaw
2023-04-22 17:30:09 +0000 UTCso according to you, anyone working an 8 hr job is just wasting their life away and in hell? i work a 8 hr shift doing sales and i dont enjoy work. but work isnt the end all of my life. its simply a means to pay the damn bills. dreams are great and all but you cant expect everyone to achieve their dreams and sometimes their dreams turn out to be less than what they expected. let me just put it like this: the only ones that continue to dream are of two kinds 1. optimistic (naive if you want to be negative) ppl or 2. rich enough that they have the resources to do so. Those of us who dont have the skill nor the resources to pursue this luxury called a dream must live in reality. theres nothing wrong with dreaming. but sleep walking is dangerous. if ur child is sleep walking, do you just let them do it until they bump into an obstacle and hurt themselves? once again, Lee's vid is about whether or not Aqua's actions are ok. Which in turn I say no, his actions are despicable BUT understandable and necessary. Ruby wasn't going to listen to reason. Personally i dont think i can do it myself. I havent experienced trauma like Aqua so i wont pretend to understand how it feels. But from an objective side, its obvious Aqua's actions are terrible but also "the means justify the end". As long as his loved ones are safe, he is willing to be as evil as it takes. I do think its a good thing he decided to stop it somewhere in the middle. Let her be an idol but keep her close to family so they can watch over her
Danny
2023-04-22 15:31:03 +0000 UTCHe can’t be a guide, she literally wouldn’t be allowed to interact with him if she wasn’t a part of strawberry prod
MWS
2023-04-22 14:55:21 +0000 UTCI’m in the middle. I’m annoyed with aqua for doing this but I get it at least. But instead of destroying her dreams, how about being a guide, it’s not like he doesn’t have the brains to help.
Peacefinder Simply
2023-04-22 13:57:11 +0000 UTCFantastic point. Love the new perspective you placed on. Well said
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 13:08:02 +0000 UTCI love discussions like this. Because in my opinion all sides have a point and all of them are valid. And everyone should be receptive enough to hear those points and try draw the line in their own personal opinion where they lay their head and values on this matter. Its just fun to be able to have this discourse and for something like this to be present by episode 2 already shows how interesting and enrapturing this series is. I myself do think he goes to far, but also can see just how broken of a person he is to have him make this choice. I think the choice he made is based on similar decisions he made as doctor, like saying if its acceptable for a patient to do this or do that. He did that exact thing when agreeing to be Ai's doctor for her childbirth he had to confirm with himself and his patient what was best for her health then give his edict. Except now he loss the part that where its also the patients choice if he's their doctor and is only focusing on the health which in this case is his sister's health and his own mental stablility that he doesn't lose another patient.
Kevon, The Lord of Slimes
2023-04-22 12:53:38 +0000 UTCAh its ok. It was mostly funny
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 12:20:32 +0000 UTCZack. The video is meant for people who think it’s okay to lie and deceive your twins siblings due to your personal experience. I understand why Aqua is motivated to be like this. So I’m not focused in that point of view. I don’t think he’s a bad person either. He’s traumatized watching Ai get Shanked up and Ruby wants to do the same thing. That part is easy to understand. I said he’s traumatized and kept the video down to 11 minutes. Traumatized was meant to wrap up his mental state cuz it’s understandable why he’s that way
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 12:20:10 +0000 UTCTo be honest when your mom dies and your sister's catch phrase is "I am going to be like mom" it is a little worrying and as such, while I do think he is going to far. I do still think that as long as Ruby wants to "be just like her mom" she shouldn't be an idol. Just a little worried she will copy her mom to well.
Luke Evans
2023-04-22 10:54:37 +0000 UTCIm 100% on aqua's side ruby is too naive about the idol life and will most likley suffer the same fate as Ai if she continues being that naive and stupid about it.
TheMonarch
2023-04-22 08:45:29 +0000 UTCThank you for double downing on this. Aqua’s simps are too obsessed with his character and his ultimate goals making them unable to judge his actions fairly. They are also cruel, they want this girl to work 8 hours per day to the very old age instead of becoming at least popular on social media, making her rich regardless. They also took the narrative “idol dangerous” too seriously. They even disregard AI’s death wishes who despite all that happened to her still wished for them to become idols (people idolize actors, so it is same thing).
Mak V
2023-04-22 08:34:06 +0000 UTCmy b, I forget to like posts all the time.
Esthoneal
2023-04-22 07:05:41 +0000 UTCThe problem that I have with this Lee, is that no one is really disagreeing with you. Pretty much most people, even "Team Aqua" (the whole team thing is stupid) think that his tactics were problematic. But the difference is, that we're looking at the overall picture of his actions and character instead of tunnel visioning on one aspect that we don't like. I'll put my comment from youtube here: I don't think it's justification of his actions, but rather understanding of his character, or maybe that's just me. The trauma and grief caused by Ai's death, the obsession and anger with finding his father, and the desperation of trying to hold his loved ones close so he doesn't lose them, has left him emotionally and mentally broken in a sense. I don't justify his actions, but I understand why he's like this. I don't think he's a bad or evil person, but someone who's suffering and desperately trying to protect what he holds dear, even if it's incredibly twisted. Is the character a morally bad person? That's the interesting thing about morals. Morals are different for each individual based on their perception. Aqua wanting to protect his sister is a morally good thing, and that's how he sees it. His intentions are good, but his actions aren't.
Zack Christensen
2023-04-22 06:42:58 +0000 UTCSorry Lee, but that's still a strawman fallacy. First off, skiiing, while it can be dangerous it's considered to be a relatively safe sport statistically. And sky diving is something that you aren't allowed to do until you're the age of 18, so an adult. Stuff like this can't even be compared to the ruthlessness that is the idol industry.
Zack Christensen
2023-04-22 06:30:58 +0000 UTC2 likes now 👀
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 05:14:34 +0000 UTCLmao…yo. So true Nobody liked this shit
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 05:13:51 +0000 UTC1 like and 31 comments is nuts
Random58
2023-04-22 04:50:28 +0000 UTC@Diego Well the whole argument is strictly on if it’s acceptable for Aqua to to go those lengths to stop Ruby and where the line is drawn
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:29:01 +0000 UTC@ultimate troll. I mentioned in my example “its not like she wants to be a drug deal”. 5:22 It’s not deflection I already built into the argument that illegal activities are not acceptable. Thus a minor joining porn IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and it’s illegal
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:26:19 +0000 UTCUnderstood. Nice you mentioned culture as well
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:23:58 +0000 UTCI think that makes sense. You observation is within reason
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:23:08 +0000 UTCMaybe I'm reading too much into it, but in the first part of the scene when Aqua is in the director's room, after making that fake phone call, he says "it's better that it's I alone". I think he's referring to his plan to get into the entertainment industry to find and kill his father. I have a feeling that Aqua's plotting something really bad and he doesn't want the consequences to spread to Ruby as if she was an accomplice. Probably could be seen that way if Aqua and Ruby both joins the entertainment industry and Aqua does some crazy shit that could get Ruby into trouble too. I don't know. Just some wild interpretations.
Valk Eir
2023-04-22 04:19:45 +0000 UTCAqua is no different than Tom Brady. You love to see him play, regardless of rooting for him or not.
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:17:09 +0000 UTCFor Lee if he’s upset with an episode that is actually a good thing ha ha.
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:15:37 +0000 UTCOh yea. Ha. Don’t get it twisted. Emotionally. Think this is the right approach. The character invoked emotion out of me, and that’s what makes a good show and a good character in my opinion. The contrast of joy from Ruby and the soul crushing sabotage. Got me tuned in.
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:15:19 +0000 UTCYou are 100 percent right in my opinion logically . But for some reason I side with aqua. Probably cause I’m more interested in him as a character and I get his reasonings. Don’t fully agree with the actions he took, but I wasn’t nowhere near as bothered by them as you were. Tho protagonists with problematic mindsets this early on tend to make me excited for there growth. Ep 2 made me look forward to the posible development he’s going to get.
Raydragneel
2023-04-22 04:13:48 +0000 UTCGot it. I appreciate you chiming in
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:07:15 +0000 UTCWhat? 😹Ok nice deflection 💀
ULTIMATE TROLL
2023-04-22 04:07:10 +0000 UTCyou also didnt take suicide into account. most of these girls dont make it and a huge amount end up taking their life cuz of the spiral effect it takes on them, japan is one of the highest suicide nations in the planet. henced why her mama also told her youre about to inbark into a world thats not good but again its a double edge sword world. i totally get Ruby and i support her dream but with that she better be prepared to have setbacks in this world
Diego
2023-04-22 04:06:26 +0000 UTCSkiing and Sky diving are not really careers they are thrill seakiijg activities. You can take disqualify the car accident and insert sky diving for an example in my opinion. The best thing is something like the Prosecutor career which i think I mentioned. But yeah. I already agree with your point though. I understand where Aqua is coming from i just didn’t make a video about where he is coming from. I chose the tactic. You’re not the type of viewer I’m arguing with. Cuz when i read your take. I agree. I’m strictly focused on the method he used and people who think that type of control method is ok
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:06:09 +0000 UTCOhhh that’s what you mean. It’s ducked up but I’m not mad at it. Because he already told her everything he can about why not to do it according to her let épisode . And she still wants to
Mufid Lassissi
2023-04-22 04:04:24 +0000 UTCHey Moony. Did you read the YouTube comments first?
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:02:05 +0000 UTCOk. That’s fair Danny.
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:01:04 +0000 UTCLee, I think most of the people supporting Aqua, don't actually really support Aqua's actions but want to defend Aqua for doing it, because of his trauma and him being very protective for his sister. I don't think people really support destroying the dreams of your loved ones out of your own paranoia, but it's something you very much can understand where Aqua is coming from and that it's done with the best intentions. I don't support what Aqua did, but I understand where he came from and don't believe you should hate or dislike him for his actions. He meant well, and I think most Aqua defenders latch onto that part. Also, I'd like to counter your car accident argument, most car accidents are because of someone else fucking up and that hurts everyone nearby, both car drivers and pedestrians. I think a better thing to relate this situation to would be losing your mother to a skiing or sky diving accident and being very against all of your siblings ever trying to sky dive or ski.
Moony
2023-04-22 04:00:49 +0000 UTCPorn is literally illegal.
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 04:00:35 +0000 UTCThe video isn’t reall about being on his side or not. It’s about his tactic
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 03:59:39 +0000 UTCYes, maybe I answer from my asian culture lol but I would definitely try to stop her from that idol career because those entertainment industry are quite dark and very extreme comparing to the west. Only from those whose family background from entertainment already or very rich family background can get through those step quite safely.
kimkheang
2023-04-22 03:58:36 +0000 UTCThat’s like saying what about letting them do porn? 💀
ULTIMATE TROLL
2023-04-22 03:58:04 +0000 UTCThat a question? If so yes I watched it. I’m still on aquas side. Reincarnation or not a 14 yr old should not be going into the idol business. And if she can’t handle what her rookie brother is doing to her . Then I’m sorry the industry will eat her up and spit her out. She’s not ‘her’ if that’s all it takes to sabotage her caree
Mufid Lassissi
2023-04-22 03:57:14 +0000 UTCapples and oranges for this one, sorry lee. driving a car is nearly impossible to avoid unless u want to live in the countryside/city. school is also something that is highly necessary for ur future regardless of what path you may take. these two are almost considered necessities in the modern world and are unavoidable. cars and schools belong in different categories with idols, a form of job that Ruby literally does not need to pursue. sure you can argue, ayo you dont need to drive but then thats inefficient cuz if u need to go places, gl walking or biking. you can not go to school but that severely limits ur options for the future. you can not be an idol...but oh wait you can do a million other things. its like if i say i wanna be a drug dealer cuz it brings in the flow and i enjoy it...and then i get shot. ima have to chalk that up as an occupational hazard. not that a idol SHOULD expect stalking but thats just the unfortunate reality of it. being an idol means ur life is on scrutiny to the community and the smallest shit you stir will give haters/fans the ability to tear you down. its not right but its real. in a perfect world, an idol can do her/his job without the bad things happening. in a perfect world, a drug dealer can sell his stuff without being shot by his colleagues or arrested by the police. but it isnt a perfect world and aqua states the negatives far outweigh the potential positives. i can understand why he was trash for doing it behind her back and yes, you should let ur loved ones pursue the dreams they have BUT i dont think its wrong of Aqua to say the facts that being an idol will lead to alot of issues, which he experienced first hand with Ai. children are dreamers and thats good. but i rather my child be alive and healthy...then chase a risky dream that could lead them down to a bad end. it all sounds good in the moment until everything comes crashing down. and then you realize some dreams arent simply meant to be pursued. sorry for the rant. no hard feelings tho ofc, love ur perspective and these debates. just wanted to put my own thoughts on them.
Danny
2023-04-22 03:55:54 +0000 UTCThanks for watching haha at least and commenting about the video. So you stop her until she becomes an adult, right? By all means necessary? Nothing wrong with the answer. It was hard for me to read.
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 03:48:52 +0000 UTCI have just one sentence If Ruby can't even understand the trick aqua and her foster mom playing than she can't survive in the industry which mean aqua is kinda training her to be more sharp form her current heavily naive self The main fact is auqa latter gave her entry we know nothing now but we see aqua check the company who are trying to recruit Ruby in ep 2 so it could be possible he background check all the previous once and found bad things that's why he may lied to Ruby that from all the fact from first 2 ep
OneAnk
2023-04-22 03:48:37 +0000 UTC9:50 I would draw the line when ruby becoming an adult and still not give up during her teenage when his brother still sabotage her in some sort of form because if she can't hold against all of this from her brother then she shouldn't and would mostly lose in those dangerous, sabotage carrer...
kimkheang
2023-04-22 03:45:50 +0000 UTCYou commenting based on title or content on of the video ?
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 03:39:04 +0000 UTCIm on Aqua’s side . This is life and death. All I’m saying is if some wild shit happens to ruby in that journey she shouldn’t come crying to Aqua
Mufid Lassissi
2023-04-22 03:38:37 +0000 UTCOr going to schoo in America?
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 03:38:36 +0000 UTCThat is factual. What would you say about driving a car?
Rock Lee
2023-04-22 03:37:56 +0000 UTCwhat Aqua did is super bad but we all know the dangers of idols. i mean the stalkers are a problem some even go to the lengths of seeing their idols pics and just by whats on the background theyre able to pint point their locations. so what happened to Ai can definetly happen to Ruby too
Diego
2023-04-22 03:28:00 +0000 UTC
