Nisemonogatari Episode 11 Reaction
Added 2025-05-08 21:27:34 +0000 UTCAre humans born evil or good, so much to talk about..
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Here's a fun thought. How would Karen react to hearing about the existence of Araragi's girlfriend? The answer will surprise you. Because it actually exists. And here's a little taste!: "She unleashed her two arms and legs which were long like the Amazon river and started throwing a tantrum. "Break up with her! Break up with her! Break up with her right now!" "You sure ask for a lot..." "Call her right now and break up with her! I'll call her if you can't! I'll tell her you can't go out with her anymore because you love your little sister so much!"" You can read it here, if you like: (It's a short story that was never animated) https://www.reddit.com/r/araragi/comments/55oiw1/monogatari_short_stories_karen_armleg/ It's hilarious.
LAR Games
2025-10-22 09:42:15 +0000 UTCPretty sure that their boyfriends are described to be similar to araragi
Oisif
2025-05-18 15:26:35 +0000 UTCI still refuse to believe that they have boyfriends. They never show up. And we all know little sisters belong to their big brothers anyway. Also I refuse to believe that he felt nothing. The stuff this guy has said and done to his sisters, there's no way in hell he didn't feel anything from that.
Irimu
2025-05-09 16:28:36 +0000 UTCVery insightful!
magnificent_owl
2025-05-09 14:20:16 +0000 UTCNo, in myanimelist it is tagged as romance, mystery, supernatural and etc. so ill see it again and again.
Vanesa Georgieva
2025-05-09 09:23:57 +0000 UTCBruh, don’t spoil things that are coming up. Your comment was real good up until that tho.
Oshi
2025-05-09 07:05:32 +0000 UTC"Why don't you wake me up like that?" "Because you're not my sister." 🔥🔥🔥 also, Shinobu Toes 👅
Skeletan
2025-05-09 04:07:18 +0000 UTCI like that you guys bring up how 'Miss Good Guy' used violence but bad boy Kaiki didn't. I'd never heard that take or thought about it before, but its definitely interesting. Also how you talk about feeling kind of confused after and wanting to rewatch is, more than anything, a core part of being a fan of this show imo. I can definitely relate to being way overloaded/overstimulated after watching the show (and especially episodes like this). Sometimes even it was hard to tell if what I just watched was "good" or not. Sometimes that first time I walked away and was like "did that actually mean anything, or were they purposefully full of shit?" Shoutout Shinobu btw for totally having Arararagi's back though. We've come so far, and her donut accessories slap. I think her hair tie was also a donut :P Also re: Nesa thinking Monogatari is a romance -- Did you perhaps get it tangled up with "Ore Monogatari"? Because that show is much more of your typical romance.
Tony Wegner
2025-05-09 03:05:24 +0000 UTCThis is pretty close to being my favorite episode in the entire series. I love the way it concludes on all of Nise’s themes so well and succinctly, so I have a lot to say. I haven’t read the Nise novels yet, so please feel free to disagree with my takes. Prepare for an overly long comment though lol. Alright, so first of all, I’d like to talk about Karen and Tsukihi and what they represent in Koyomi’s narrative. As you already know, the story is told from his perspective, and we are only shown what he wants to show us, in the way he wants to show us. Thus, a lot can be inferred about Araragi’s mental state from what he chooses to show or not show. For example, we never see some of his and Hitagi’s most intimate moments, like their kiss on their first date, or Hitagi’s birthday, in which he gifted her a telescope (which he specifically calls attention to not “being mentioned in any scene before”). This is because he values his privacy with her and cares too much about those moments to share them freely. This is also why Kizu is told after Bake, he doesn’t feel ready to share that painful story until it becomes necessary to tell it. Now, for how this applies to his sisters. Something we see a lot in Nise is Koyomi’s avoidance of his sisters. In both arcs, it pretty much takes until halfway through the story for the specific sister to even have any proper focus. Araragi doesn’t like talking about them, because they represent aspects of himself he doesn’t like. Karen is an idealist with a black and white view of the world. She doesn’t see normal people or wrongdoers; she sees heroes, villains, and victims. Her heroism isn’t born out of a desire to do Good for Good’s sake, but out of a need to help others, to be a Hero for others. Her conviction isn’t truly born from herself, but from others’ expectations. Thus, Koyomi labels her a fake. This may come off as harsh, and that’s because he’s talking about himself as well. When he denounces her, he’s also denouncing himself; he’s also a fake. He sees himself in Karen and doesn’t like that (Hanekawa implies this in episode 4: “It seems like you bother yourself”). As we’ve seen throughout the series, he is just as much of an idealist as she is. Thus, Karen represents Koyomi’s idealistic, yet very flawed, “human self,” as Oshino said, he’s a “half-assed human”, much like Karen is, in his view, something of a half-assed hero. Meanwhile, Tsukihi represents his “monster self.” An immortal oddity that may heal through any injury, who’s associated with the moon and the night, and lives disguised as a human? That’s pretty much how Koyomi views himself as a vampire. But, while she’s a fake human, she’s also barely a monster; she doesn’t live as a monster. Much like Koyomi is a “half-assed vampire,” that would also apply to her. Thus, Araragi’s journey through Nisemonogatari involves him both accepting his sisters, as well as accepting himself through accepting them. Now, onto Kagenui’s argument. She brings up the theories of fundamental good and fundamental evil, relating them to Kaiki’s thought experiment. The important thing to understand about Kagenui is that she considers herself to be a “Good Guy,” a Hero of Justice, if you will (much like Karen). But if Karen is a “fake hero,” Kagenui would be the real thing. (Note that Koyomi first meets her while literally being on the shoulders of his human/heroic self, and yet she stands at a much higher height.) She’s unrelenting in her pursuit of what she views as Good, and unlike Karen, she cares little about how others view her actions. Her heroism is truly born from her own convictions. She deems the act of deceit inherent to a creature such as Tsukihi as outright evil. She even assumes that her status as an immortal creature would lead her to pride and cruelty if she were to find out. In my opinion, it almost seems as if she’s applying the Theory of Fundamental Good on humans, while applying the Theory of Fundamental Evil on oddities. This hypocrisy is why she accepts defeat in the end, because Araragi chooses to accept the burden of the evil that is lying to his family, thus entirely breaking her argument. Since, if lying about one’s own nature is evil, then lying about another’s nature, thereby deceiving not just everyone else but even the oddity herself, must be even more evil. And yet Araragi is, according to Kagenui herself, a human. So, she cannot justify classifying him as pure evil as she does Tsukihi, revealing her hypocrisy. This reminds her of Kaiki’s thought experiment. Araragi’s conviction to do Good by his family through doing “Evil” (deceit) is basically the fake being more real than the real thing through its deliberate attempt to be real. Araragi is the first real example she’s seen of Kaiki’s ideology in action, which leads her to finally understand Kaiki’s point of view after so many years. Apologies for the exceedingly long comment, but this is probably the episode that made me think the most out of the whole show. To be honest, Nise is far from my favorite section of Monogatari, yet it somehow managed to entrench its themes so deep in my brain that I’ve not stopped thinking about them since the first time I watched it, hahaha.
ATableWithPants
2025-05-09 02:23:29 +0000 UTCYes! One of the greatest episodes of Monogatari and excellent cap on Nisemonogatari as a whole. This story is definitely one that's even better the second time around, or third, or...how many am I on now? Anyways I'm glad you guys are enjoying this special piece of art and there's still MUCH more to come. "There sure is romance, there are a LOT of things." There sure is haha, that's the main reason why this is my number 1. It does everything and still manages to do everything almost perfectly. Witty comedy, brutal violence, authentic romance, life-changing philosophy, melancholy and bliss. It's all there A Monogatari rewatch discussion does sound pretty interesting btw, maybe somewhere down the line if it feels right yall can try it out. I would probably watch.
Jaron Clark
2025-05-09 02:10:30 +0000 UTCThis is what I’ll say… don’t take any lessons or beliefs this show presents as a concrete foundation for the themes this show tackles. The argument of being born evil or good is inherently flawed and misplaced, but with characters such as these that operate under definitive morals and philosophy, they don’t have the time or space to accept that every argument can be deconstructed. They are forced into scenarios where they must state what they believe, or at the very least propose their own perspective, at risk of being walked over should they do nothing. But from a philosophical and objective standpoint, every argument that’s ever existed can be deconstructed. Humans aren’t evil or good, we are creatures of habitual practice, and as society advances, domestication. The ideas of good and evil stem from our infatuation with romance, and should things become black and white, it’s at the cost of consideration, and for those that care, compassion. Kaiki is actually in the right, or at least as close as one can get. Being fake is more valuable than the real thing, at least with the way fakeness is being used. As an example, being heroic is less ideal than the pursuit of being heroic. Something that is “real” is taken at face value, with the actions that take place existing in a vacuum, but something that is “fake”, or enacts said will despite being fake, is done with intent as well as whatever actions actually take place. Being heroic becomes less meaningful if it lacks any intent, and in the case of Karen, her actions are worth more because she places an intent of heroism in her choices, whereas Koyomi is heroic simply because he is compelled to be so, not caring how he is perceived or remembered. That’s a very incorrect way to summarize said example, as I’m dismissing the nuances of these characters backstories and growth that has yet to come, but I’m trying to make a point. I started this off saying every argument can be deconstructed, which includes this one, but for the sake of fake or real, good or evil, actions that lack intent lack the value of arriving at intention through deep consideration, despite whatever actions play out in the end. The themes explored in this season are super relevant to Koyomi’s personal growth, as his inner demons deal with his own sense of validity. Every character in this show operates on a spectrum of how “real” they are, or in other words, how much they lie to themselves, as such lies affect how they see the world and their relationships. That’s the reason why this show has such a huge emphasis on perspective and why the visuals are so dramatic, because depending on how you frame a story, it can change the very nature of what a story has to say. Araragi won’t be the only narrator in this show, and eventually we’ll get to see Araragi through the eyes of others, so you have that to look forward to.
Nathan Elkin
2025-05-09 00:41:33 +0000 UTCFun fact: This is actually the episode that Nisio Isin (the author of the Monogatari novels) has rewatched the most out of any in the entire series.
ATableWithPants
2025-05-08 23:12:11 +0000 UTCA few interesting things: 1. If you go back and look at the scene when Araragi is talking to Tsukihi, and pay attention to the room, you'll see that it resembles a bird cage. 2. Tsukihi (as well as Karen), wears a hair pin that is in the form of an egg. 3. Tsukihi's name translates to "Fire of the Moon". You have the 'fire' part of the name signalling the phoenix aspect, but to me, there is also a juxtaposition here. Generally the moon has the connotations of being cool and calm, the opposite of the sun and fire. To me, this juxtaposition is a parallel to the juxtaposition of having an oddity living among humans, as a human. In addition to that, we know that the moon does not have fire or produce fire - so whatever the 'fire of the moon' is, it cannot be the real, everyday fire we are familiar with. This again is another way her name symbolizes her 'fakeness'.
magnificent_owl
2025-05-08 22:58:47 +0000 UTCAraragi trying to confirm that tsuhiki is his sister by kissing herand making sure he didn’t feel anything…🤦♂️😂
Lark
2025-05-08 21:53:29 +0000 UTCHe got his ass whooped, but won in the end with his resolve.
Vanesa Georgieva
2025-05-08 21:45:08 +0000 UTCLol great thumbnail
Russell Gambardella
2025-05-08 21:28:13 +0000 UTC
