Announcements - Release Changes, Poll Results

Somehow my posts are getting eaten by Patreon. So third try. Guys, I guess there is no need to worry. The raising of the CGs for porn's sake is just a short term solution, just something to get the game a bit more fleshed out on the visible side (side dish^^). As you all may remember Lord Arioch had several requests in this post section and per mail why people cannot unlock certain scenes. We, the long time patrons or patrons who are just shorty here but have read everything because they are totally smitten with the game, know why. But newcomers or people who just played the public release do not know why. So a first way to get these newcomers on the hook, could be to increase the visible porn. I have suggested so, to increase the funding for further game development, for I love this game because of it’s story and writing not because of the CGs (which I love too by the way) and I could not stand the frustration Lord Arioch had experienced while looking at the transfer rates. An interesting poll (<a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/in-nsfw-scene-to-8940008">https://www.patreon.com/posts/in-nsfw-scene-to-8940008</a>) was just recently released, which clearly shows how the majority ticks. Just take a look and maybe you understand why I suggested to raise the scenes with CGs by doing, just for a limited time, only one CG per scene. I totally love the writing of Lord Arioch and Dark Master, and I cannot await to see the story unfold. But like you I see the problems with the game in its current form, therefore I have suggested a lot in my community post, (<a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/8757633"> https://www.patreon.com/posts/8757633</a>), which Lord Arioch and Dark Master have looked over and decided to implement in parts. You are all right, that visible porn is not the reason why we are all here, we are here because of the story and the writing, but the game is indeed in some parts lacking at the moment and that is something what Lord Arioch has realized too, so in addition to the change in CGs he and Dark Master are working at the moment to enhance the gameplay, see <span class="3jg-components-post--title"><a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/some-thoughts-on-8832015"><span style="">Some thoughts on a proper journal</span></a></span><span class="3jg-components-post--title"><span style="">, to hone out the existing game. And my guess is it will be more awesome when they have finished to implement what Lord Arioch has mentioned in the according document. Furthermore they both know that the castle is lacking in gameplay at the moment, as Lord Arioch has often talked about the NPC jobs, which still are not implemented. So just hold on for a while, while they flesh out the game a bit more, while they get the money to do so from raising the CG ratio. </span></span>

AbyssalEros

I totally agree. During discussion about the future development of the game I stated that in its current form the game lacks a lot of content. The castle is empty, almost everything is placeholders with little-to-none text. I personally don't care that much about CGs, which, btw, in the game are top quality, but what I truly miss is gameplay. In terms of VN gameplay usually is about story advancement, depending on choices you make during the game. I think that advanced combat system is not the best choice during this stage of game development (maybe sometime later, when the game gains meat), but making castle alive should be, in my opinion, one of the top priorities. This castle event may not have CGs for some time, but adding text is vital to the feeling of immersion. After all, as Redknight178 said, if I only wanted to see some pictures that satisfy my fetishes - I could easily find then on the internet. I personally banked this game because of the great story, and when it reached free-roam castle mod it became somewhat disappointing.

Congrats on hitting the goal!

Just to clear up a misconception here, I actually said the opposite, that it would be a shame if there we only few scenes with art, but I'd rather have a lot of content with black screens than limit it due to lack of art.

Lord Arioch

I agree with this assessment. Also I wanted to say that I think limiting this game to "sum of all fetishes" selling it short. Let's be honest: there is enough porn in internet for all kind of fetishes, most of it free or accessible for free. I backed this game for two reasons: great, engaging plot which uses erotic scenes to advances itself, not the other way around. And promise of solid game mechanics. In last updates we had a lot of former, but not much on later, but I hope new spying update will do much to fix this and introduce new mechanics. Point is: if this game would be just another collection of porn pictures/text as so many are there, I would never backed it. I did it, because I belive it can be something more. I think Sengoku Rance is a good example of game combining both erotic aspect and strategic gameplay. Well, may be Seeds of Chaos will not get to this level, because Lord Arioch's resources are limited, but it's worth trying. So, to put it shortly: arrangment of the sex scenes is important but it's not be-all and end-all in termes of game design and, indeed, backing.

I think Lord Arioch has mentioned before that he doesn't want to fill his game with tons of sex scenes because otherwise there will be 100 sex scenes and only 10 of them have art. And I meant that I like that SoC has so many different fetishes, but because they are holding back on the writing (I think) the problems Redfield mentioned (not enough NTR content for NTR fans, not enough gay content for gay fans,...) are more obvious.

TheMagister

Who was saying what you postulate here? Nobody has ever said, that there shall be a hold in writing new scenes. And somehow I do not get it what you mean with it would show the problems Redfield mentioned more obviously.

AbyssalEros

A lot of people are talking about the sex scenes being rudimentary but I think another big factor is the missing gameplay. There is a huge hole where the combat system should be and the main keep is full of missing pieces and empty rooms that do nothing. There are more blank spaces than working ones right now when it comes to gameplay, and that would make more than a few people skeptical about the game.

ClearMadness

Just to clarify as well, I don't mind that Seeds of Chaos caters to so many different fetishes, but because you don't want the writing to get ahead of the art, you are also holding back on writing different sex scenes which means the problems mentioned by Redfield do show up more obviously.

TheMagister

As I can wholeheartedly agree to everything you have said, especially regarding the gay and ntr content, I see precisely because of that a high potential in this game. I am full into ntr (in those where the male is not a fucking loser but gets turned on by seeing his love interessed fucked) and almost any fetish except loli and male on male. But because Seeds of Chaos caters to a lot of fetishes you as the player/reader have the unique chance to create a story you like and are able to direct the course of Rowan's destiny to your likeliness. While most games which cater only to one fetish do not give you that experience at all, because their fetish gives the plot. So indeed it will and is hard for Seeds of Chaos to cater his crowd and there will be for ever those shit-heads who just mock, shout out and whine like those fellows on this infamous underage forum. But who cares what they like? They are the people who never spend a penny on porn because they believe themselves above paying for it, but are jacking of like drugged horses on their pirated stuff form the internet, while looking fearful to the door hoping that mummy will no come in.

AbyssalEros

I was going to say something similar. Seeds of Chaos is a jack of all trades erotic game, not focused on any one fetish too much, which is great for those of us (Like myself) who can get off to most fetishes but not so much those who can't, while just a sprinkle of another fetish will chase away an entire group. Examples (And these are as the game stands now, not what it intends to be later): Not enough homosexual content to make the game engaging for those who primarily want that, but too much dick on dick action for normie tastes. NTR, even with the off option, will keep people away...At the same time, those into NTR probably see 99% of the existing game as pointless filler getting in the way of Alexia's hot demon dickings, while there are other games dedicated to the fetish completely. Or for those who like het Maledom, there's very little of it, while at the same time the femdom might bore them to death. And there's only one scene I can think for those Yuri fans out there. Then, of coursr, you have those disgusting "Vanilla romance" fetishists who only ever want to see good old fashioned romance, with the fact that Rowan is already married putting a damper on it for them. And then there's the golden ticket fetish, incest (Just look at how much Big Brother is earning in such a short amount of time) which doesn't seem to really have many possibilities outside of Jezera/Andras and Min/her family atm, but with Rowan apparantly having no blood relatives, it kills the chances for him personally to hop aboard the incest train. The change to the CG's will probably help though, I know one turn off was just the lack of art for most scenes. So that alone will probably bring in more money and then fix a lot of the potholes on the road of development.

Redfield

I don't really know how worthwile this is. If I compare it to, say, Noxian Nights, they had the same release schedule you had (or even less, releasing the game 1 week after Patreons for public) and atm they receive ~$3800 a month (having not released a version of NN since about August/September). I think the problem lies less with release dates but more with gameplay not really being a thing yet and H-scene content being all over the place, which means people who have one specific fetish might not be interested in pledging yet. So a lot of patrons don't have anything to connect to yet, aside from potential and promise. Furthermore, as you mentioned, this has been a good month when it comes to backing, even though you hadn't announced the delaying of releases yet. So I really feel a lack of backing is more due to content than release dates.

TheMagister

We are planning one path where you can do that, but it won't be until very late game.

Lord Arioch

In the future, it will be possible to betray or defeat the Demons ?

Jouni

You must consider that the game is still in it's barebones, many systems lacking, and many place holders. It isn't easy to convince people to contribute with this alone. But the game is good until now, I think after some time, when it become more wide content wise, you will attract more patrons.

Antonio

Not bad idea!!!)))

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Thank you for the answer. I guess I can cope with waiting this much time. Well, let's hope new changes will get some results.

All depends on patreon growth, which I have no way to accurately divine. Last month it went up around $130, this month $500, so no idea. Could be a few months, could be over a year.

Lord Arioch

That's good to hear. But still, can you at least speculate how much time it will take to return to old scene? Or right now it's unrealistic to define?

It won't really be an issue, they'll have the first CG as a reference which will have the characters and the location in it, and I can always describe the scene to them again.

Lord Arioch

Can you please specify how much time will pass between first picture and return to the scene. Or it will depend on how much new ones are done? Or funding level?I vote against it because I'm worried that it will be hard for artist to work on scenes after long period of time, or they will be forgotten alltogether with all new developments. Of course, perhaps my fears are unfounded.