The David Dobrik Situation

i don’t agree that not everyone should be held accountable. if you see a guy going into a room with underage intoxicated girls and they’re having sex and u don’t try to stop it, you’re in the wrong. especially the people poking in their heads and watching, they let him rape her

no one is getting raped for content or clout or notoriety or anything. there’s no question that she was raped. everyone involved acknowledged that dom had “sex” with these girls. however there was no consent so it was rape. her coming out with this information is not malicious. people deserve to know. she’s doing the right thing. something that a LOT of victims wish they had the strength to do.

no one is ever going to knowingly put themselves into a situation where they could be raped. if you’re under age you can’t consent. if you’re drunk you can’t consent. she was raped, whether or not she presses charges doesn’t change the fact that she was raped. it could be too expensive to go through with a legal battle, maybe she thinks no one will believe her or take her side, maybe there’s some other reason. but what this kid did was wrong and every adult in that situation allowed this to happen. they let the kids drink. they didnt stop dom from raping drunk kids. it’s all just wrong and every adult in that hotel or what ever is at fault. it’s so not ok

the thing is that they all were looking into the room. when you watch the vlog the guys are peeking into the room and commenting on the threesome. It wasn't just a guess. They looked. At the end of the night she couldn't walk, she was held up by friends and blacked out, she had to be told what happened the night before. You can't tell me that these guys weren't aware of her state.........

Kind of disappointed with the men in this video. They were indirectly placing blame on her and it was disgusting. She was drunk and unconscious, she did not “put” herself in that situation. It’s not her fault. She could not consent, it’s completely Dom’s fault. Stop playing devil’s advocate, it’s not cute JKBoys 🤷‍♀️

Too bad she didn’t do the same

Allen Xavier Silva

I don't know shit about this David D. issue, but when I heard the 'she placed herself in that situation' part, it was so painful that I had to bounce.

unfortunately we will not wait for "balanced representation" to do ANY article. our production schedule just doesn't work like that. some videos will just be a miss at times. we can't do everything right all the time

Perhaps hold off on stories like this for after a cast rotation with a more equal gender split..? I'm sure we'd be happy to wait a little longer for a story to get a more balanced commentary and then there wouldn't be so much backlash coz it really did seem like Tiff was getting bulldozed whilst emotional with no-one to credit what she was trying to say

my god there just trying to be objective. there not invested to this people so they don't have all or any information. can you accurately judge a rape case in under half an hour?

Didn't they say "we're probably going to jail"? Sounds like a rapist to me. Which one of them are? I don't know, maybe all 3, maybe 1.

WTF Bart , it doesn’t matter if she drank till she blacked out or “put herself in that situation” , dom shouldn’t have assaulted her full stop. There shouldn’t even be a “situation”

This video wasn’t as hard to watch as the comments are making it out to seem and I understand the cast didn’t have ALL the information but I really did not agree with the subtle unintentional victim blaming. Just because some SA cases are formed through malicious intent doesn’t mean it’s right to view all cases of SA through that lens. It’s invalidating and a huge reason why so many SA victims don’t speak out. For this case specifically there was more than enough evidence presented in this video alone to be steered away from even forming that thought so it only begs the question why even bring it up? to downplay the actions of the perpetrator or to discredit the victim? I feel like it’s not always a necessary take to have just because it happens SOMETIMES

Leo Castrejon

Cancelled culture nowadays is just too much, smh

Daryll

I don't think they meant to sound like they were victim-blaming (it's understandable to see where those comments are coming from), but I do wish they got more information. "Maybe it was for clout" shouldn't be most people's thoughts about an SA victim. It's entirely possible they were exposed to scum that fabricate SA for clout so they're hyper-aware of that. On our end, it's also easy to judge their comments because some of us know more about the situation than they do, but we may not know they don't know that information.

2oV

Poor Tiff trying to defend the girl in a room full of boys lol

Don’t say is josh is Jason

This video made me go through so many different thoughts, perspectives, and emotions. Then Bart’s closing point about intention on the groups analogy to court justice and guilt by association... 👏👏👏

i wish all people felt this way but nah not with the comments i’m seeing.

I rarely comment but if your think that the cast are not sympathetic to the victim and is discrediting them, your should probably not watch videos with sensitive topics such as this video. The cast did say/mentioned that they are stating their opinions based off the information presented in the video, that is why they are not having a strong stance on either side but they are leaning to the victim Hannah and did not discredit her claims of rape. At 25:05, Joe mentioned the very fact that in our current climate if you do not immediately condemn the accused. in this case Dom, you are defending the men and discrediting the rape victim etc which is not the case. They are being objective about the situation as important details on the case is still unknown at the time of recording. Please do not approach their videos with the expectations that they know everything about the case as there is frequent updates regarding the situation even as I am typing this comment. I believed that they tried their best to gather as much information and research before filming.

I was gonna comment a long ass point but decided not to. All I can say is, something shitty happened and we just need to get the whole picture to have a better understanding and the full story

I think they did an ok job talking about this. I didn’t know anything about this and all their reactions were my same first thoughts as well.

Preach to the choir everyone

By all the comments maybe i shouldnt watch this vid

Has anybody in watched the h3 podcast they go deep on about David

Yea I don’t think she lying David just need exempt this L he is the master mind behind this

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Jafra Merriweather

I think the crew should have been debriefed prior to filming with all the known details, therefore there could have been just a better discussion about and sensitivity towards it. I just am tired of hearing the words "maybe there is mal-intent like looking for clout. Hannah is known as a threesome girl in the video that millions of people saw. People witnessed the night of her assault. I doubt she's looking for clout. There are definitely circumstances where one can say that, but in this specific situation, playing devil's advocate doesn't make sense. A whole vlog was created for "Dirty Dom" to have a threesome, with drunk girls. This situation is a public example of what happens at colleges on the weekends. As for David's situation, he and everyone who was there should take responsibility for being an enabler. Should careers be ruined, other than dirty dom's, probably not. As long as responsibility and respect towards Hannah is shown.

None of them have to be innocent for Durte Dom to be guilty. So keep in mind that at the end of the day Dom had seggs with an unconscious girl.

People need to wait until actual facts come out! I don't like David but I find it hard to believe he would let this happen also people do lie for money! The girls went over there she got known for being the three some girl and didn't like it. She could have said this stuff to change people's opinion of her. Also Trisha absolutely hates david! So I don't trust her either! I think facts and proof need to come out and if this did happen than anyone involved needs to be held accountable!

I think that it also shouldn't be the victim's burden to press charges against the person who sexually assaulted them if they choose not to. Most sexual assaults are not reported to the police, and out of the ones that are, the conviction rate is extremely low. From what I remember, both Tiff and Gina have opened up about their past experience with sexual assault on the Big Mood podcast, but they did not press charges or file lawsuits against the perpetrator. There can be many reasons for that including shame, feeling like maybe there's something you could have done to prevent it, fear of not being believed, not wanting to draw out or relive that experience over and over again in court, or interviews with police/lawyers. There was even a big news story several years back of a judge who got in trouble because he asked why the victim didn't try to keep her knees together to prevent her assault, so I can see why stories like that discourage people even further from reporting. I don't have an opinion on David Dobrik specifically because I'm not familiar with his videos to know about whether he's guilty of being a rape enabler or not, but I wish the JK crew showed some more empathy for the woman in this video, especially with limited information available. I totally agree with not canceling David if there isn't proof he knew what happened, but I think it's totally unnecessary to feel the need to play devil's advocate on whether she was partially responsible or whether she was looking for clout. I'm glad Tiff was there to provide a female voice and give her input.

Emika

Yeah same tbh

I can understand what you are saying and why it sounds like that. I don’t think they were saying because she got drunk it’s her fault she got raped. I think they are saying that when you get drunk it opens the possibility of that happening. It does suck that drinking can lead to that but that’s just how it is. And I’m sure she wasn’t thinking either that she was gonna get raped because she drank, but she just wasn’t aware of all the possibilities at the time because we are human and we don’t always make conscious decisions. So was it maybe her choice to drink, yes. Did it open the possibility of her being raped, yes. Does that mean it’s her fault she got raped, no. I think we just have to all be conscious that doing certain things can lead to this, and I don’t think just saying that it shouldn’t be that way will necessarily change it.

Some of these comments show how toxic the community can be. It’s a real shame. Sorry to Tiff who had to sit through that.

Jaylene N

Do they ever?

I applaud Tiffany for holding her ground and assertively inserting her opinion. I observe most times, she will let the other crew talk over her, but not this time, so I'm genuinely happy for her. Regarding the issue, logically speaking yes, Bart and Joe have a point that there might a malicious intent but this is exactly the problem with sexual assault/harassment stories. Victims do not come forward because of this exact narrative that they're there for the money or the attention. Yes, the accused is innocent until proven guilty in the eye of the legal justice system. However, how about the victim? I think if this was the first woman to come forward regarding the accused, it'll be a different story. From what Tiff reported, there are multiple women that can back up what she was saying so for Joe and Bart to use the narrative of that she's only doing it for clout and what not is the less likely possible scenario.

My thing is the girl that hit Dom up knew what their whole vlog persona was like. I really think that the girl that got them to go was the one chasing clout, by making it seem like they were all going for Dom. This whole thing is messy and I really like how Steve is trying to approach it, because I agree that it is hard to make a clear judgment when the main place you're getting the information is an agenda driven article that is one sided. Idk, Dom is fucked up, David wasn't as aware as he could've been but like in the end I don't see why David is taking the most shit for it.

Date rapes are a problem precisely because they happen within a romantic or sexual context that blurs all the lines. You guys can't blame Bart and Joe for being confused and questioning things, when even the victims themselves come out confused and questioning things. If it took Hannah several months to process what happened, you can't expect the JK fam to figure it out in under 20 minutes. With Peace and Love. Thank you.

I thought they guys made it clear they didn’t know the facts and they would need to know more before they can give an opinion. Not sure how that’s upsetting 🤷🏼‍♂️

Also being drunk is not an invitation for r***. that's a bad argument. If a man gets drunk does that mean that if the guy got SA'd then it's his fault? That's victim blaming. Being drunk is a state legally where someone can not give consent for a reason.

I think the guys are just trying to not be definitive of anything because they don't want to be sued saying David and his gang did SA these women. They're also really logical and trying to consider everything which I get. I personally think David and his gang are just a giant frat house of a vlog doing these heinous things. I do think if Geo or Nikki was in it then they would of been sticking by this girl. I also think they didn't present everything that came out about David just the allegations, not every bit of evidence. So they go off of what is said.

Are you guys really mad because both sides of the argument are being explored? the fact is, No one but the people involved actually know.

Also I believe the girl and what she said too. It unfortunately sucks that David got put into this tho because it’s on his vlog, David said himself that he was filming the but real quick and then he left with everybody else, it’s weird how it almost seems like David is getting a lot of the hate even tho Dom raped her

This has nothing to do with the allegations really but when Tiff mentioned that Josh yelling at her “created a weird environment” That is what they do, they act wild and crazy and you have to not just look at this video itself but you have to look at the entire context of David’s Vlogs as a whole to understand a lot of the things that happen in the video and why they act that way. I have watched most of David’s videos and somebody who really is into them would understand it’s just part of their bit.

I really want someone who knows whats going on to be speaking on it with them 😭

they're not cnn sure, but they still have a sizeable platform (7k members) and they still should provide more info lol

This is so ignorant.

Yall wussys, they are commenting with their current knowledge. They aren't a fully kitted news crew, chill u babies

Remember people; innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. Just because your feelings got hurt or you regret something doesn’t mean you got raped.

they really should've given extra film time for this specific topic to actually read through the important parts of the article, CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TO UNPACK.. yes, they have a time limit and all but stuff like this needs EXTRA attention, they can probably make extra time for stuff like this.. like the fellas were saying, we don't know a whole lot, we should read the whole thing for context etc.

Not wanting to see the other side is what’s messing up society.

I would LOVE to see it

Can we discuss this topic on big mood instead???

I didnt like this video.... I understand that men are somewhat threatened with what’s happening right now but as a survivor, I can ONLY understand why “hannah” came forward a little late, as it was mentionned, yes it takes time to process a trauma. And i standby 100% with hannah because it was r***, and it was premeditated. You cant give consent when you are under influence, you cant give consent when you are unconscious, you can also withdraw consent at any time when its needed. Doesnt mean that they came there w the sole purpose of fucking, like the girls said, they thought it was a joke... the fact the dom still went thru with it, got the girls drunk, and FUCKED HER UNCONSCIOUS BODY, i dont think hannah put herself in the situation, its not her fault the vlog squad wanted UNDERAGE GIRLS drunk just to take advantage of them. I truly feel sorry for tiff for being in a room full of men during this video.

Really hope justice is served, such a terrible situation 😪

I think showing clips of the H3H3 friendenemies podcast where Trisha explains how things went down and why David is also at fault would have helped. But I also understand it’s hard for Tiff to gather a lot of information when she has a lot of articles to present in a day. I also believe Joe and Bart weren’t trying to discredit the girls as they sided with them as more and more information was presented to them by Tiff. In the future I think for these kind of videos more time should be allowed to present all the data so the cast can comment appropriately

For example, if Tiffany just gave all the information in 10-15 minutes and then the remaining minutes could be dedicated to discussing the information, I feel like that would be better especially for topics that are heavy like this one. That way, there won't be any misinformation or comments like Joe and Bart said.

I'm very disappointed with this video. I know it must be hard for Tiffany considering she keeps getting interrupted every 3 minutes, but I wish she just presented all the information first and then the cast could make their commentary for the remainder of the video. There was a lot of critical information left out and so it was a bit hard to sit through and listen to Joe's comments and Bart's comments on how they thought she came forward because she wanted "clout", it was actually painful to hear that. I know JKNews isn't a top-notch news channel, but there's more than 7 thousand patrons here, meaning you guys are still broadcasting information to a large audience and if there is incorrect of insufficient information about something, it can be pretty disappointing. This is just constructive criticism, take it with a grain of salt but this episode was just hard to watch.

Yeah, the more I think about this video and see the amount of people who agree with me makes it so much worse. Might have to be the end of being a 10 year long fan. EDIT: 'sorry not sorry' isn't an educated comment, please elevate and try again 🙏

It was disappointing to hear Bart and Joe say that sometimes people shout “rape” for clout and that everyone in the situation is guilty to some extent. It’s for reasons like these that many SA victims don’t come out immediately and don’t press charges because of fear of doubt that people believe their story. At the time, David’s fan base would have destroyed them... his fans were die hard. Also, accusations like these are serious and not something people do for fucking clout. Coming out with these accusations can be traumatic and stressful. You can’t say these girls just wanted this attention for clout. Especially since they remain anonymous. Yes we will never know the truth 100%, but it’s really some bullshit hearing Bart and Joe blame the victims.

I think there should have been more research done by JK before addressing these allegations and article.

Same, it brought some tears... 😓

I have never been offended by anything on JK before, but some of the views expressed in this is really fucked up. And the worst part is they were so sincere. Anyway...

I'm so glad that Nick and Casey were bringing up some good points, especially about how its a hard process to really recognise it happened to you and so on. And love to Tiff for hosting and trying to represent the article well, it's hard since it's such a long article with many details <3

Petra Ylenius

I really wished Tiffany would have read the article more in depth or watched a couple H3H3 clips. There’s so much hush hush behind the scenes that were not discussed. The text message if the girl reaching out to Dom to take down the video really puts the nail in the coffin and David knew of this because he had to take down his video. He knew exactly what happened and how the girl felt afterwards.

kind of painful to watch :(

The fact that Jeff's (who really didn't have much to do with it) and David's (second, although people could argue it sounded like it was a little too late) apology sounded more sincere and honest than Dom's....

2oV

Never clicked a vid so fast