School Architecturally Designed to Reduce Casualties in a Mass Shooting (ft. Pokimane)

Yes and population ratios actually don't add up like Bart and Joe said. ie. Comparing Canada's mass shooting rates to Americas. Banning most guns might not actually be the cause for less mass shootings, it could also be because of better mental health care but the combo has proven to work either way.

I don't think it's just a mental health issue, I think it's also a cultural issue. It's about the perception of power & strength. America loves its guns because it's a symbol of that power and strength. Two things which I believe people who do mass shootings don't believe they have in their life. It's people who feel that a certain life was promised to them and it has now left them behind. So they're angry, and they turn to guns. Instead of talking and learning ways to cope with the shit life gives us because asking for help is thought of as weak. In order to stop gun violence there needs to be a cultural shift, which may be gradually turning at the moment but it's not quick enough to stop needless deaths.

Attempting to take firearms away is the worst thing to do. Not everyone is going to give them up and half the time, these criminals are using stolen firearms anyway. All it would do is create a black market for something else. Creating more regulations for who can obtain one in regards to mental health and background (criminal) is what should be in place. I also believe every person to apply for a permit or purchase a firearm should have to take a basic class for safety because there are way too many fucking morons that own them and end up killing someone or themselves on accident.

The amount of damage that can be done with a semi-automatic compared to a knife isn't nearly the same. You can't stab your way through a locked door like you can with a gun. You guys always defend yourselves saying that viewers are biased but you all have bias of your own in defending gun ownership. I thought it was cool what Bart said about being willing to give up all his guns if that was what people decided. I think it would be more conducive to actual solutions if people were willing to listen instead of being defensive and stubborn on both sides.

I think if you just make healthcare free and ban (pre-convicted) criminals from getting guns while also putting a cap on how many guns you can own at a time would fix all a yalls problem- a Canadian

I think the problem is access to extremely powerful weapons, why does an average person need a semi automatic?

There are always ways to kill people. So, to prevent it it should be as difficult as possible. In regards to killing with knives or homemade explosives it takes a lot of effort and there are many steps in their process where they can be stopped. For example if a kid brought a knife to school. He may kill 1 person and injure 2 more maybe before he gets disarmed or dealt with. However with guns a kid can easily wipe out a whole class and injure a dozen more. That's why people always say about banning guns. And let's say guns were banned some may say but then all the criminals would have guns. Yes, this may be true but in my opinion I'd rather things be like they are in the UK than US because even though we have a knife problem if I'm ever in a situation where I'm being held up by a criminal the odds he has a gun are slim to none. He probably has a knife or some other hand weapon and to be honest I'd rather take my odds against him because I think I'd have a better chance against a knife than a gun wielding guy.

Try and take my guns same for my fam and friends it’s horrible what’s going on but it’s not the guns or video games fault it’s dumb ass fucking tards who mommy didn’t love him enough I had a horrible child hood u don’t see me killing people and I’m a “angry white male” as they like to call it I’m not a idiot my guns are for keepin fam safe if some jack wang breaks in I’m breaking something on him plus a bullet in his ass

I agree that if you take away guns- bad people will find a way to kill/harm anyway. But DEFINITELY we can't have it so accessible anymore. Rigorous background checks and licensing and mental health checks. it needs to be done or else there will be more and more wrong people with guns in their hands. Also taking away guns of most people that have already so that this process can start.

well bart wasn't the only one that brought mental health up, majority of the table agrees....and also bullying is also a form of release for alot of mental health, abuse, unhappy people in general so I think it would help

i love that you guys are talking about this! So many others are scared but this is important stuff

the reason why you don't watch gun related video is because you have your own bias point of view.

bart talking about solutions in the wrong places, but wouldnt metal health stem from the parents and classmates who bully them... and so on and so on lmaoo

people that are mentally ill are not necessarily criminals

im glad the middle eastern one has some sense... maybe you guys need more islam then jesus

guns kill man... in asia most angry people who do mass killings kill with knives, they dont do as much damage.... more people live to tell the tale... i think guns should be allowed only for certain situations and i bet if they wanted to control it the govt could... then you have these nuts who you have no idea why they want guns... they hiding something

I never watch gun related JK article videos because I know there will be an overwhelming bias which I cannot phantom as I come from a country with a gun free society (even our police force are unarmed)

taraeliz_

but it's also always the same "right snowflakes" who argue that the "bad left" have no real argument and are just complaining about bad guns. So I'll give you a different argument.... school shootings are just the tip of the iceberg... only the most visible part. And the bad guys aka criminals aren't the real problem either.... look it up yourself... official stats about homicide numbers through gun violence in total and what percentage of these crimes happen at home between related people (couples, family, etc.) and it suddenly turns out that the bigger problem aren't the bad hombres with guns... the so called "good guys" with a gun are the ones who actually should be feared the most.

No other country has this many school shootings bart

I feel like when people talk about this subject 9/10 they have no idea what they’re talking about and just repeats what they hear on the news. Guns are bad blah blah blah. The police should be enough to fight all the bad people who have guns and break the law but at the same time are holding up signs and saying F$&k the police, police are baby killers, and so on so forth. A little history a lot of people have been dying from guns but the truth is it has always been in minority communities so no one really gave a shit. Another things these guns aren’t new they didn’t just rise up from the dirt when 9/11 kicked off they’ve been around for a long time like more than half a century. If guns were the main issue then history should state as such like mass shooting since the 40s. But what is new with in the last 3 decades is the media commercial/ social. Proof for illegal firearms not working Chicago, DC, LA, MA, Detroit, and etc. just because you make guns illegal it doesn’t stop bad people from having them. If the federal Gov disarm law abiding citizens I am sure that once the “bad guys,” know crime will surely increase tenfold. I wish I live in the world where most of you up there live but I don’t. Being a naive little shit thinking the world is made out of rainbow and sun shine and unicorns farts rainbows. Hate to be a bearer of bad news if it wasn’t for people who love you, who are willing and ready to protect you, the US would look a little more like Iraq. Keep on pushing this left BS and eventually the USA will such a snow flake to the “bad guys,” and maybe the war will be fought in our backyard and that my Liberal friends will be a sad day.

Yo shout out to Poki and Tiff for even trying to debate with Bart and Joe on this topic. Bart and Joe are a lot more passionate than the girls about this, which is why they know so much more. I hope one day they have a guest who knows why gun laws need to be better regulated so when they touch on this topic again it'll be a great conversation.

I think it’s just too complex of a topic right now to properly pinpoint an exact cause or solution. People are putting their best efforts into finding one, and I think that is praise-worthy. Being an American and growing up in the culture, I do believe Bart and Joe speak some truth. However, yes I agree to what a lot of you guys are saying. The solution isn’t as easy as ban guns or not, and the issue is not as simple as just some mental problem. The staff at my school got training over the summer on how to act when an intruder comes, and I know many people who have bulletproof backpacks. It’s an unfortunate reality.

I think his and joes stances will always be skewed since they want to keep their guns.

nikki looks like a news woman ready to fight

anuraag pelleti

Guns are too powerful of a weapon, and they only have a singular purpose. Just because crazy people or criminals will somehow get their hands on one, or come up with other ways of mass murdering, does not excuse how readily available they are. As for the Second Amendment's purpose to allow citizens from a)protecting themselves from others and b)giving them the right to form a militia against the government, I really feel like a)law enforcement should suffice and b)with current tech, govts can overthrow any gun-wielding militias with an unmanned drone, so having guns won't help you. I will add that I'm a Canadian so it's not embedded in my culture. Also I understand realistically speaking if your country allows guns and that includes crazy fuckers, best believe I'd buy a gun to protect myself. Basically an arms race/mutually assured destruction at the domestic level.

You touched on something a lot of professionals in mental health talk about. Violence, especially like mass murdering, is not a symptom of the most mental conditions. Something more must be going on but unfortunately the US can't study gun violence

Sure, but guns are still the easiest outlet and the easiest means of killing several people. I'm Canadian so maybe I just don't understand what it means to live in the U.S. but I think it's just really damn odd to have a dependence on a tool made for killing. Even what Joe said about arming everyone to deter government takeover is something I don't agree with. I think if your populace needs to be armed to not get fucked with, it kinda says something about the country's society. Also, the amount of deaths in U.S youths caused by gun violence is 15% which is #2 behind the top spot in motor vehicles at 20%. But this often gets overlooked because it's a "limited sample size" and doesn't encompass the entire population or that "kids just need to be taught better". Even though I personally think something is extremely wrong if gun violence is that high up there.

Bungkai

To be honest Bart’s argument of the ‘overall cause being stopping deaths rather than focusing on mass shootings’ is equivalent to saying that there is no need to find a cure to cancer because people will die of other health related causes. But that’s not how it works and moreover when he said that gun violence will still exist does he not realize that that violence doesn’t happen in schools or churches or malls or movie theatres. As a Canadian I understand that there are bad people out there who have weapons but no one should be afraid to go to school or other public places.

Guns are crazy, no matter how much education you instill into kids and stuff, all you need is one bad day

Bungkai

Bart and Joes mindset is of a person who own guns so of course they are going to reason with its not my gun thats the problem because people die by just about everything. The topic at hand isn't how can we prevent deaths in general. Its how can we prevent mass shootings at schools, malls, events, cubs, etc. By the weapon in hand. I do agree with them no matter how hard we try get rid of guns in the hands of those who are going to do wrong these people are going to find a way. Wait I just realized, if these people who were going to commit these mass shootings were unable to get a hold of a gun would they go through any means possible like the black market to get one. Of course criminals who are going to steal and vandalise do and have the connections. Our country is facing more mass shootings by majority white males who felt they were wronged and harrassed.

Will there be sandbags?

Wow.... did my comment just got "censored" aka deleted? 🤔

So money was moved from military budget to fund the border maybe some of that money can go to school to fund that idea.

For the most part, mass shootings are happening because it is a weapon of convenience (in some states more so than others) AND it does a higher damage rate. Also, it is a pretty impersonal way to kill someone, unlike stabbing, so the shooter will take a lesser amount of mental/emotional strain. Touching on the mental health aspect, I think there is a little more than just mental health going on because there are a lot of mentally unhealthy people in this country who are not killing others. It must be a combination of nature & nurture elements which we can debate all day.

I see where bart and joe are coming from, but i still think theyre in the mindset that they want to keep their guns. In no way are the amount of shootings in America compared to those of other countries, but if we do ban gun there will still be an influx in different crimes. Like what is happening in the uk with knife and acid attacks. But in order for there to be any sort of change we have to start will at least some sort of gun control. The reason the government doesnt want to though, is because of the money. Kids and innocent people shouldnt be getting shot for no reason while just going on in their day to day lives

I get where Bart is coming from, but to his "ban knifes, ban cars" argument I think he is missing a few very important factors, these things have a major purpose other than killing; they are not nearly as efficient killing machines and regarding cars, they are extremely regulated, and anyone who wants one needs to be educated and assessed by professionals and they have tons safety measures, and these have been shown to work quite well.