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Bonus Chapter. Only read if you're curious about culverin. 👋😊

Treat this as an extra. We will not feature this type of kingdom-building, as, unlike other MCs, Lansius is fully aware of the dangers of an arms race.

First of all, there is no definitive depiction of a "small" culverin like the one used in our story. As one of the earliest transitional designs, very few have survived. While similar examples exist, they are not made of bronze (such as falconets) and belong to a different category.

Still, let's try some visual references, as describing it purely through text would be difficult.

This is a surviving Lantaka, a muzzle-load, bronze portable, swivel "cannon" (culverin). It's relatively small compared to an apple.

As you can see, pieces like this is often incorrectly referred to as a bronze "cannon."

It is important to note that the term "cannon" is actually very broad. It encompasses both the smallest and largest and is often mistakenly applied to other types, such as the culverin.

A comparison:

Compared to its larger "cannon" counterparts, the culverin is typically the slimmest and longest. Due to these characteristics, it usually offers better accuracy.

So, how heavy is a small culverin?

That picture should sum up the issue. While some culverins or demi-culverins were mounted on carts, some types were light enough for an adult to carry and, surprisingly, to fire if desired.

And yes, the one in picture is one of the more advanced model with the breech loading capabilities.

Culverin is one of many swivel guns that can be comfortably mounted on a ship’s wooden railing. The recoil from their blast isn’t strong enough to damage even the smallest of railings.

We can see the usage of swivel gun in this picture taken from the Pirates of the Caribbean. Obviously that is not a culverin, but likely a small cannon but the usage and mounting is the same.

Again, a breech loading "cannon" of unknown type, it might be bronze or cast iron. We can't be sure.

This kind of swivel weapon can even be mounted on small pole. There exist several youtube video demonstrating the firing.

And now, why culverin?

Well, it’s because nobody seems to tell stories about this and just assumes that the cannon is the only thing that ever existed.

In reality, bronze "cannons" were used first. The Chinese and Mongols used them in the 13th century, long before the earliest matchlock muskets. In Europe too, people didn’t start by building large cannons; they began with smaller, bronze pieces. These early designs were mildly useful because bronze had advantages over cast iron, such as resistance to corrosion and good accuracy.

A few other things:

Lastly, we can address the myth that "Anyone with half a brain who sees gunpowder weapon should want it and make a lot of them because it works." 😅

As crazy as it sounds, historically, nations have often rejected new, potentially powerful weaponry simply because they didn’t feel the need for it or were unwilling to invest in unproven technology.

So we can see that even the most persistent inventors faced skepticism from nobles and rulers who didn’t trust their ideas or saw little immediate need for them.

Another example: Before the Mongols, no significant advancements were made in weaponizing black powder in Jurchen-controlled China. Only during the Mongol sieges of the 13th century, desperate to defend their capital, they experimented with various uses of gunpowder, including rudimentary cannons and fire lances. Ironically, these innovations ended up empower the Mongols in their conquest.

The Mongols spread it far and wide, and some nations developed it further. For example this beautiful double barreled breech loading bronze Cetbang from Indonesia (South East Asia).

Again, treat this as extra. We will not feature this kind of development since the least Lansius wanted is an arms race..

As always, thank you for reading! 💖

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Comments

You'll be surprised that from Crecy and to the end of Hundred Years wars already features early cannons, that's Joan of Arc era. And nobody knows because...? It doesn't change things significantly. I quoted: "Gunpowder weapons were first used at the Battle of Crécy in 1346, but were crude in design and didn't greatly influence the English victory. ... The English used artillery, including cannon fire, during the siege of Orléans in 1429. The siege began on October 12, 1428, with an artillery bombardment on October 17. The English assaulted the Boulevart on October 21, but were held back by French missile fire, rope nets, scalding oil, hot coals, and quicklime. The English suffered a setback when the Earl of Salisbury was struck in the face by debris from cannon fire." And from that era they needed 120 years more of advancement until they thought "I need better fortification". I want to get this point across. Nothing is changing overnight. There's no instant upgrade or instant obsolete/ irrelevant, especially in medieval era. It took 3-4 generations before an object of change is maturing and began to make changes.

Hanne

I guess maybe the bigger concern then is that this story’s firearm evolution doesn’t necessarily have to follow historical precedent of our world. Given the dwarves history, air ships, etc. it doesn’t seem unreasonable for the readers to assume this will quickly develop into a firearm based warfare, especially since Lansius knows their power. If his enemies starts using firearms, Lansius will naturally want to create better ones. Sounds like cannons already exist so walls / castles are almost irrelevant.

Ben

I guess maybe the concern then is that this story’s firearm evolution doesn’t necessarily have to follow historical precedent of our world. Given the dwarves history, air ships, etc. it doesn’t seem unreasonable for the readers to assume this will quickly develop into a firearm based warfare, especially since Lansius knows their power. If his enemies starts using firearms, Lansius will naturally want to create better ones. Sounds like cannons already exist so walls / castles are almost irrelevant.

Ben

There's really no issue. The mongols know and use "cannon" and grenades for almost 250-300 years, and they don't evolve into musket. You can fact check this easily. 😅 Unlike us, who are heavily biased by gun knowledge, medieval people knowledge of gun is practical. They see musket as nothing more than just another arbalest or windlass that can already defeat breastplate at short range.

Hanne

One of my other concerns is once Lansius’ enemies start using firearms he’ll be incentivized to outdo them with superior versions to maintain his edge. This will rapidly accelerate the firearm evolution timeline and then all of the sudden he’s using cannons and blowing up every castle he sees Although I don’t know how you avoid this given all these different parties are starting to realize the effects of firearms / bombs / etc. Maybe black powder is super scarce (assuming you want to restrict their proliferation).

Ben

This story is so good and I absolutely love the authenticity of the characters. Legit binged all 217 chapters in like a week. Probably one of my all time favorite stories. I’ll hop on the bandwagon that I hope guns don’t get introduced. After one party uses them in combat it will be an arms race and hand guns, cannons and other weapons will flood the scene. This will defeat the purpose of castles, walls, knights, and ultimately change the entire landscape. I love the medieval setting so I’m just resisting innovation 😅 although it sounds like firearms are inevitable given so many different groups have discovered them…

Ben

The Nanban armor example is literally exactly what I am saying as they removed basically everything except a backplate, helmet, and a specifically designed (and thicker) breastplate to stop bullets.

Ethan Hand

One more thing: The case with 13-14 century armor is that they're made too thin and too light to save cost. For protection, they relying on another layer of maille inside along with arming jack. As they progress, and they see guns, they simply ditch the maille and asking the armorer to make thicker plate instead. It solved almost all the issue without added weight (because maille is heavy). That is until high velocity and high caliber guns made their introduction 150 years after the early musket era. But by that era, knights already turned into landlords and company owners and don't really fight their wars in person. As we know, even in Napoleon era (who reintroduce breastplate), a simple cuirass made big difference despite claims that it was mostly ceremonial and not as good as medieval era armor. So, all I'm saying is, there's big misconception that any kind of firearms => no further use for armor, or armor have to turn super bulky with sacrifices everywhere just to stop a musket. Bear in mind that half an inch of hardened steel plate will stop most kind of assault rifle that has penetration 5x of musket. And just like we saw in modern warfare, a man can carry it along with backpacks. The real issue in late renaissance era is: a knight who can afford such armor, usually don't want to risk himself being in a battlefield. They rent mercenaries to do their wars. But how about in Lansius era? Unless we skip 150 years somehow, they'll still fight in full armor and early musket will do just the same as heavy arbalest and windlass that have defeated Lord Robert and Jorge's knights in book 1 and 2.

Hanne

That is incorrect. There's only "small" adjustment needed to "proof" an armor against early musket. There's no reason to start removing back plates just to reinforce the front part, that's like discounting 150 years of development overnight. For example, the Japanese Nanban armor has back plate: https://emuseum.nich.go.jp/detail?langId=en&webView=null&content_base_id=100509&content_part_id=001&content_pict_id=0 Moreover, that time frame is roughly over 100-150 years. So for Horizon, this is what we'll get. A transitionary era where armor is working as intended and doesn't need to sacrifice their full body protection. The change into half or demi armor with only front protection happen at much later era.

Hanne

Thank you for the information it was very insightful. I love the story and writing and didn’t want to keep arguing with you in a back and forth so I was typing up a big reply in the last chapter then thought better of it. My main gripe with the introduction of the hand culverin was what I mentioned as the “death on knights”. In my eyes a knight is a trained killing machine in full armor covering their entire body who are incredibly difficult to kill oftentimes only dying because they are so exhausted they can no longer defend themselves. They could single-handedly kill a swath of peasants without dying as long as no peasant self sacrifices to tackle them to the ground. I understand that armor was still useful against guns for some time. This was because they stopped covering the entire body and instead opted for a thicker and more importantly heavier breastplate that had enough steel to stop a bullet at the cost of their extremities. (Similar to what you mention in your post) Unfortunately, this is not the knight that I envision and was present in your story previously.

Ethan Hand

India was ahead of Europe when it came to rocketry. The Kingdom of Mysore used rockets against the British in the Carnatic Wars, which led the British to develop the Congreve rockets. They were even used quite far from India, in the Battle of Saint-Eustache (Rebellion of Lower Canada, 1837-1838).

ThoMiCroN

Ngl, I’m on team “give Hanne Lee some more panic so I can learn more interesting facts that I didn’t really question in the main story”. Is it a team of one? Probably. But seriously, don’t worry about us. Your story is glorious by itself, even if it were inaccurate historically (which clearly isn’t the case)

Ryan

I'm mostly an amateur historian. It's a hobby for over 20 years. Meanwhile, I only started writing stories about three years ago. 💝

Hanne

So are you a writer who happens to like history, or a historian who happens to write? This was actually a pretty interesting read, and it helps because I was imagining the tech all wrong lol. I was imagining cannons and mortar instead of the culveran.

Nyroe

Want chapter not an INFODUMP!? 🤣😂😅🤣😂 Anyway, good information, thank you. Appreciate your efforts on giving the reader more things to research.

Duke of Coffee


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