We Need to Discuss Chappell Roan
Added 2024-10-02 19:01:01 +0000 UTCSo this video gets a bit personal, and it's obviously on a topic that's been very heated these past few weeks, so I'm debating if I will release it on my secondary channel. It's a non-scripted discussion, so I'm sharing it with all of you here on Patreon because I just want your thoughts and opinions on it. I trust you all and want this discussion to go somewhere with people who I trust, but please let me know what you think <3
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I had no idea of any of this until I watched a video by Friendly Space Ninja. He had an almost hour long video about Roan. He explained it all very well I think. Both how she doesn´t seem to be handling the fame very well and also the publics demands and expectations on her, and other celebraties. It is well worth watch!
Emily Ringborg
2024-10-08 18:09:55 +0000 UTCAs an outside observer I get a lot of anxiety about this election. Both parties are not the same and to claim they are is misinformed at best, potentially highly dangerous at worst. Trump stans will vote no matter what, but the chance that left leaning voters may be discouraged from voting because the democratic candidate is not perfect is very real. Having Trump in office for a second time is going to have lasting and damaging effects to not just the US but the rest of the world. I do not respect anyone who remotely wants to argue that both sides are even remotely similar. It would also be helpful if people would take a step outside their echo chamber to see how the undecided voters in the swing states (the ones that Harris also has to appeal to) are viewing certain issues. Politics is complicated and by not engaging (i.e voting, getting politically active) you‘re not going to help anyone. Let me be clear, nobody should be harassed or receive death threats over their political opinion (or any opinion, be they a celebrity or not) but criticism is absolutely valid if expressed in a civil manner.
DP_Dwarf
2024-10-04 15:44:17 +0000 UTCNo there really isn’t. A third party vote in the current US political systm is going to help Trump and nobody else.
DP_Dwarf
2024-10-04 15:34:56 +0000 UTCThere IS another option: 3rd party.
Rita Balbo
2024-10-04 09:52:41 +0000 UTCJust popping in to remind everyone that Jill Stein and Cornell West are also running. Voting either for Kamala (hypocrite w/out backbone that refuses to stop arming iIsrael & publicly refusing to acknowledge the genocide as it is: a genocide) & Trump (narcissistic racist misogynist fellon who should be institutionalised ASAP) will only be an unintentional support of the Palestinian Genocide, the murder of goodness knows how many more and the keep the world on the path we are on towards WW3. On a side note : this is the first time I hear of Chapell Roan. But again, I’m based in the Netherlands. As a Historian I can only say one thing that I find to be an (nearly) universal truth: the “both sides” stance is extremely reductive and only shows that the one stating it hasn’t made enough effort to actually *learn* about “both sides”. They are *never* the same, even though some aspects might share similarities. Peace out and as always: thank you for your videos, Jessie! 💜🫂
Rita Balbo
2024-10-04 09:50:02 +0000 UTCGood morning Jessie... I'm one of those proverbial "long time listeners, first time callers" who hasn't commented on your work on Patreon before (or at least recently enough that I remember! 😅). Given that you asked for feedback, I'm feeling like taking a bit of a risk to give you feedback as best I can. I hope that what follows lands in good faith with good intention; I'm open to any feedback on my feedback. * The video is ~31 minutes long and it takes a bit over 3 minutes before you start getting into what you're specifically going to talk about and what the situation is for people who aren't familiar with it. Those initial three minutes feel too long, and I could imagine people disengaging from the video during that time (even if it's just "checking out" rather than clicking away from the video). * You mention wanting this to be a "discussion." I do not find video essays to be good discussion opportunities. (Others' mileage may vary!) For me, the best video essays (a) teach me something and (b) give me questions that I take to my social circle and have discussions about with my social circle. I never have a discussion with a creator, or a creators' fans, etc. (Again, others' mileage may vary.) * The second block of three minutes (starting at ~3 minutes when you say you'll start providing some background/context up to the ~6-minute mark) doesn't really provide me with the context that you've said you're doing to provide. There are several mentions to things "we're going to talk about later," there is some jumping back and forth across topics, statements, etc., and overall I'm still not sure what the specific situation is that you're referring to. * Additionally, one of the things that I greatly enjoy about your videos on current events, politics, etc. is that you usually provide quotes, clips, etc. so that viewers can see what was exactly said. Even with you referencing some statements, I still don't have a good sense of who this person is, what "the Discourse" is about, or why this is something that you wanted to make this video about. I understand that this is an unscripted video and that you're intentionally testing out a different video format, and still (for example) you could have some quotes, news article headlines, or some such written down that could be quoted directly. * The third block of three minutes (from the ~6-minute mark to the ~9-minute mark) doesn't really say anything about Chappell Roan at all, and now you're talking about a particular part of "the Discourse" that I'm feeling some what lost on. What's the through line to how we got here from Chappell Roan's comments? And now we're talking about neoliberalism vs. racism, which wasn't a part of the comments you relayed previously? At this point I'm roughly one-third of the way into the video and I'm feeling rather lost. If I'd come across this in the normal way (i.e., not you asking for feedback) I would just stop watching without knowing what your point was, what you found important enough to comment on, or even what the situation is with a person I've never heard of. My guess (and I could be wrong) is that the lack of scripting is resulting in a lack of linearity that is showing up in the video as (to me) a scattered collection of thoughts, references, etc. that I am struggling to understand. I wonder to what extent there's some middle ground between "unscripted" and "fully scripted" where (for example) you outline what you want to say, rehearse it maybe once or twice, and then put yourself in front of the camera. Even if my specific example is not a good idea, hopefully it helps illustrate what I'm trying to convey.
Jared Boyce
2024-10-03 15:00:58 +0000 UTCI kind of want Chappell to preform on snl dressed as moo deng, not gonna lie.
Anna
2024-10-03 14:17:16 +0000 UTCI understand the fear of an October surprise suppressing turnout, but when criticising the process is policed harder than criticizing the outcome, the process is not serving everyone equally. A machine is what it does, not what it is intended for.
Avid Stan
2024-10-03 13:47:47 +0000 UTCSeen the rest, not sure I can contribute more really... but I think both the US and UK political systems need some form of PR. We've basically got two right-wing parties at the moment in the UK even though Labour is nominally left wing. We do have other parties that sometimes make a difference and I don't know if that's the case in the US. Either way, we're far behind many other countries when it comes to our political systems. I would find it hard to endorse either candidate but I would say that I think Harris would be miles better than Trump (pretty low bar though).
Robyn Thomas
2024-10-03 07:40:22 +0000 UTC(Also just in general I mighta mentioned the Elon Musk stadndee you had mighta been unworthy of you. Listen to Auntie Olive once i a while. ) (That also means don't pretend there's anythig we can argue about that will stop people blowing the crap out of each other in the general vicinity of Isreal/Palestine. They been doing it for at least nine hunddred years and us queers will not be the ones to heard about saying, 'How bout dont?" I mean, seriously.Let's get the United States on keel before trying to micromanage three other jihads and shit.
OliveD
2024-10-03 06:53:19 +0000 UTCAlso, Jessie Kid. Kid. I've watched you 'radicalize left' faster thn anything in the Levant evr changed, including Trump putting Netanyahu in power instead of in *jail* cause it was that close in the Knesset, and he lost, it was overriden, and is back in power to do all these things you blame Biden and Kamala for. STOP OVERANALYZING. Stop pretending us queers have anythig to do with how monotheists blow the crap out of each other no matter how much they call it 'The Holy Land.
OliveD
2024-10-03 06:22:32 +0000 UTCOK, what the Hel even happpened or didn't? And honestly, Jessie, I htink you're the one hitting aganst our only candidates over your far-leftism. You may hate 'the mentality' but *you* are one of the leaders and so is she. Also I believe our military *should* be lethal. Also under the control of a civiilian leadership. Roan is under too much pressure and she's allowed to melt down, but yeah, saying 'Both sides' was explictly denying the seriousness of the situation. And you are, too, Jessie. I'm sorry, this is *not the world* I wanted to leave you kids with. You are also not unlike myself in that you think talking more will actually make people undertand better. (And the Right is well past whining about 'cancel culture' and into overt fascism. ) As for Jenner, she was always a creature of tabloids who does not respect anyone else's identity. I would not put it past a reality TV character to fake a whole lot especially to turn anti-trans the minute she found she didn't actually have a following for Trump. As for this Roan. I don't care who or what she is but she should not have hesitated.
OliveD
2024-10-03 06:09:14 +0000 UTCI don't recommend posting this on YouTube. I am among the folks who think think that it is harmful to criticize Kamala Harris too heavily when the other option is a malignant narcissist. When folks on the left side of the political spectrum get discouraged, we tend not to vote, and that thought is terrifying right now. I would rather our energy be focused on getting someone who ISN'T Trump in office, and then we can continue to organize and apply political pressure. Those of us who are asking folks not to dogpile on the sane candidate right now are mostly just scared. We have good reason to be scared, and I don't think scolding or lecturing us for the way we express our fear helps. It just makes more people angry and disillusioned.
Becky Sparks
2024-10-03 04:36:40 +0000 UTCThanks for talking about this, it kinda helped me formulate some of why this rhetoric makes me so uncomfortable. I can’t really speak to voting trends as a whole and what makes or breaks an election, but I will say, as someone who used to be a more indecisive voter (and is now quite leftist), that this “no criticisms until after the election” is so off putting. I would so much rather hear someone say, “democratic candidate is flawed and I don’t agree with them on some significant issues, but I’ll still vote for them because of __,” than “ignore all the issues with the Democratic Party that are pretty apparent in favor of hating the right,” cause you’re right, we _should_ criticize our leaders and government and keep them accountable, and people who don’t do that make me distrust them. And I imagine and kinda hope that’s the case for a lot of people cause I think we need more of that from people with influence online, and it feels much more like the best of humanity. Like, there is so so much to be afraid of, but making decisions based in fear is quite scary to me. And yeah, queerphobia, and misogyny, and ableism, and racism make these fear-based attacks so much more visceral.
Lily Blaney
2024-10-03 02:47:24 +0000 UTCGot around to finishing the video. It's so good, I've got no pithy comments or insight or anything, just wanna send all the hugs cause yeah all this stuff is difficult.
Bryan Hughes
2024-10-02 23:39:39 +0000 UTCLove
Sara Ezzat
2024-10-02 23:25:53 +0000 UTCI hadn't heard of Chapelle Roan. As an external observer of the USA (I'm UK-based), it seems to me that both of your political candidates are poor but Trump is the worse of the two by far. I've only seen the first nine minutes and I don't have time for more right now; I'll try to comment further tomorrow. Love and peace <3
Robyn Thomas
2024-10-02 22:38:35 +0000 UTCI don't think Chappell's stance is bad or wrong, but I do worry that her 'both sides have problems' statements can easily turn younger voters apathetic and she has a lot of younger fans who could be key to winning this election. While Kamala and the democrats do have problems, the alternative is so much worse that 'both sides are bad' is almost untrue due to how astronomically worse one side is than the other. I wish we could unite on keeping Hitler 2.0 out of office first, then work on the more nuanced policies that warrant criticism.
Jon Neimeister
2024-10-02 21:39:16 +0000 UTCI feel like her initial statement was perfectly reasonable, so it's been partly distressing and deeply frustrating (but hardly surprising) to see this reaction against her. Her misgivings with Kamala are some of my own, so I can imagine saying something very similar if I were in her position. I appreciated Roan's call for people to vote in their local elections, since my impression has always been that these fall largely under the radar for many, with local elections often lacking the same scope and sheer spectacle of presidential elections.
Erin Rae Watson
2024-10-02 21:18:45 +0000 UTCI so love your spirit, Jessie -- how much you are committed to fairness and kindness and grace -- thank you for that <3
Juukii
2024-10-02 21:02:19 +0000 UTCThank you for this perspective. I am out of the loop with a bunch of the Chappell Roan stuff especially. Regarding the election, Ithink a lot of people on the left are frankly terrified that any criticism at this stage is going to cause Trump to win the election. People who tend to vote Democrat tend to be a more fickle group of voters than those who vote Republican. Democrat votes go way down in interim elections and I think a lot of folks believe that it's more of a case of energizing people and convincing them they should bother voting at all and believe that criticisms will make people less interested in doing that thus the 'if you're not with us you're against us' type of mentality. It's all very fear-driven and people who are fear-driven can be really brutal.
Kelsey the Bean
2024-10-02 20:14:29 +0000 UTCI'm about a third of the way through (had to pause cause a meeting's about to start), but I love love love this so far! Aaaaand, I also understand why you're hesitant to share this on your secondary channel. I had a though pop into my head while you were discussing why the view "Don't criticize Harris because Trump is such a big threat" is BS (which I wholeheartedly agree with). I think this aligns with what you were thinking? My thought is that folks saying this are setting up a false dichotomy, where any form of criticism hurts Harris chances at being elected. I don't think it's necessarily wrong, but extremely over-simplified. I am sympathetic to this view, to an extent, because we've seen examples in the past where negative news did contribute to an electoral loss in a close election (Clinton and Comey releasing the email stuff right before the 2016 election). But there's a huge caveat in that a) the person criticizing needs to have a huge platform and b) they don't contextualize that they still support the election of a candidate on the whole (as you and Chappell did for example). It seems like it's not a hard needle to thread, especially given the flaws in our system as you pointed out that isn't some esoteric/unknown complaint. It doesn't seem to hard to both criticize _and_ support, as long as folks are aware of how their words will come across (I realize, a big ask on social media) Anyways, gotta go to meeting, and excited to watch the rest of this...and I'd be cautious of releasing this on YouTube as well 😅
Bryan Hughes
2024-10-02 19:58:38 +0000 UTCI'm only about a minute in, but I want to let you know, I think her name, Chappell, rhymes with Apple. I don't know if it's worth re-recording and I don't know how many times you say her name in the rest of the video but, anyway, that's all. I'm heading back to watching!
Kelsey the Bean
2024-10-02 19:32:58 +0000 UTC
