Probable Cause Statement WITH redacted Names
Added 2021-07-03 05:11:43 +0000 UTCUPDATE: We now believe that the Shawn Litttlebear name mentioned below is Melani Boudreaux spelled wrong. For those who can't open a word doc, we've added a PDF.
A technical writer and Patreon supporter--Julie Holden-- has decided to help us by decoding the documents that were released yesterday. She shared this with Hidden True Crime, and I want to share it here (NOTE: Do not share Julie's name anywhere else. She is only comfortable sharing her name on this private forum with fellow Hidden Patrons).
A few Key Points that I (Lauren) want to share:
-Julie's Background: "I was a Technical Writer for twelve years, back in the day when people used to read software manuals, and when help files came in a .hlp file embedded in whatever software you installed. In college, my first computer was an X86 that ran MS Word for DOS. Point is, I'm old AND...I know word processing."
-"Porting the text into MS Word will get you a more thorough re-creation of what the software will actually do with things like automatic line returns, etc. (Those line returns are key!!)"
-"For example, I can tell you that the person who typed the original document puts TWO spaces after a period. So they must be old! (Like me! But omg I haven't put two spaces after a period in decades!)"
-"Anyway, I know this because I pasted the first few pages of text into a Word doc, and put it in the standard font: Calibri, 14 point. Right away, paragraphs that didn't have redactions lined up pretty much exactly!"
-"Except where they didn't...but THAT was immediately rectified when I replaced ONE space after every period with TWO. (When you copy-paste over from the PDF, it automatically streamlines that to just one space)."
-"Others have found a different result, but I've been plugging away at this paragraph all morning, and here's one section I FINALLY figured out, and feel quite confident about: Summer provided Lori with updates regarding Tylee’s whereabouts and asked Lori if she wanted to run interference. Lori told Summer that she was trying to figure it out."
-"This is interesting, because during last night's YT Live [On the Hidden Channel, Summer Shiflett appeared and had a conversation with Kay Woodcock] , Summer did reply to my question about whether she'd heard directly from Tylee that Charles was "enraged." She said, "Yes I heard directly from Tylee." In that spot where I have "Tylee," someone else who has analyzed the documents has "Adam," but (1) his name is just a bit too long, and (2) I kept thinking about that second sentence -- who is the "she" in "she was trying to figure it out"? Why would Lori tell Summer that she/LORI is trying to figure it out, and why would the police bother to put it in this document if it is Lori saying, "I'm trying to figure it out." It seems to me that Summer very well might have run interference with Tylee, for a variety of reasons."
-"There are one or two places where I think some people will disagree with what I've "decoded," but I feel confident about the choices I made. Note that there are Comments explaining a few items (starting on pg. 4)."
-LAUREN'S THOUGHTS: THANK YOU JULIE!!! ... I think Julie has done a brillaint job here and it's absolutely true that the spacing and letter count in one area matches Shawn Littlebear! If this is him--WOW! We've not heard of him protecting Lori, so we've tried every other name we could possibly think of:
Those include:
Zulema,
Melani, with a couple of different last names
Captain Moroni
Bishop Bonilla
Gabe Bonilla
Every other person named in documents
...If any of you have any other ideas that you believe could replace Shawn Littlebear, Julie welcomes suggestions, and she happy to try them out. Leave any ideas in the comments.
A BIG THANK YOU THIS SKILLED COMMUNITY!
Comments
What I find so horrible about this is that if Lori and Chad had the ability to " the ability to pray away demonic spirits attached to others" why then did they murder the children and Charles for being dark!!!!
Robin M Putnam
2021-07-18 00:37:19 +0000 UTCWow! So interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Your talents really shine here!
Holistic Holly
2021-07-11 08:09:00 +0000 UTCI just knew it wasn't Sean little bear; and in fact, I feel for Sean little bear. Let me call him Terry. I feel that Terry was exploited by that James couple; whoever came and got Terry when he was living close to his mother, and took him back to Idaho was wrong to do so, imo. He had a traumatic childhood. He might have been trying to come to terms with it being around his mother. Somebody convinced him to go back to Idaho and they turned him into their show dog for lack of a better word. I believe he has a good heart and he got caught up in what the James couple was doing. They exploited his Indian history to further their cause. That's my opinion
Lori Shillenn (Speakman)
2021-07-07 14:32:23 +0000 UTCANOTHER UPDATE: I'm trying out names with typos, just to see what else fits in various spots. For this sentence, where Tylee's name fits: "Summer provided Lori with updates regarding Tylee’s whereabouts and asked Lori if she wanted to run interference." What ALSO fits is "Adams" -- with the typo of a missing apostrophe. I made a little video comparing the two here: https://imgur.com/a/Mfm0orz So, as I've mentioned before, it really is not possible to be certain of ANY of these guesses. We can rule names OUT, but we can only rule IN names that MIGHT be correct. In other words, considering (1) some names are the same size, (2) typos happen!, and (3) because the document has a lot of redactions it may names that we don't know, we can only ever consider anything we guess as just that, a guess.
Julie Holden
2021-07-05 22:07:11 +0000 UTCUPDATE: We now believe that the Shawn Litttlebear is Melani Boudreaux spelled wrong (without the x). For those who can't open a word doc, we've added a PDF. Thanks Julie!
Lauren and John Matthias
2021-07-05 22:01:16 +0000 UTCI wondered the same thing; but, until we know for sure who’s name is actually redacted in that sentence, it’s hard to know. If it is Summer, it would be such a disappointment after the exchange between she and Kay on the live Thursday. I’m hoping the healing that seemed to begin was genuine.
Katie Marlowe
2021-07-05 08:09:47 +0000 UTCYes, @toni, it turned out to be Melani, but with her name misspelled, and not SLB!
Julie Holden
2021-07-04 20:51:36 +0000 UTCIndeed, the SLB guess is incorrect! Melani Boudreau without an X fits perfectly.
Julie Holden
2021-07-04 20:48:55 +0000 UTCI think Melani and not SLB
Toni Quilico-Kriebel
2021-07-04 18:08:39 +0000 UTCI think Zac said that was after Charles had died when Tylee was at Janis’ and she kept her away from Zac
Toni Quilico-Kriebel
2021-07-04 18:05:20 +0000 UTCQ: do you think Tammy, Alex and maybe Joe Ryan were poisoned and that Zulema taught that skill to the killer(s)? And if yes, did she know what they were going to do?
RobynB
2021-07-04 13:36:46 +0000 UTCThat seems to make the most sense. She had to be in pretty deep to want the father of her children to die and to leave her kids. Also she seems to be someone Lori wanted “protection” from, so I’m leaning with your logic, Sue.
RobynB
2021-07-04 13:29:41 +0000 UTCI hope that’s right, Julie. If Justice for Charles death is to prevail it should include Chad Daybell, as well.
RobynB
2021-07-04 13:26:20 +0000 UTCThank you Julie! Wow! Great work! I am thinking SLB should be Melani B only because it makes more sense to me since Lori did not want her ( Melani) going to Utah for the wedding. Also, what is everyone take on Summer after reading this?!
Sue Komernicky
2021-07-04 03:33:04 +0000 UTCUp there somewhere in this comment thread, I chatted with Lee about the final sentence in first paragraph at the top of page 9. To me this is the most intense part of the doc! Someone was talking about killing someone, and they don't know who? Eesh! I tried Melani (too short), Melanie (almost), and Summer (fits perfectly): https://imgur.com/a/mrWKCCo Two things: --I know it's tempting to think Melanie is close, so maybe that's it! But as we learned with Shawn LittleBear, close is USUALLY not close enough. You're looking for as close a match as possible. --And, as I mentioned above when talked to Lee, it is always possible that some other name is in that field. While we can rule people OUT with near certainty (except for the possibility of misspellings!!), deciding that a field definitely DOES have a particular name is simply not possible. Especially a field that doesn't have as much context, or comes right after a redaction. So in this case, it could DEFINITELY be someone else entirely -- someone who is mentioned in that short redacted sentence.
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 23:12:40 +0000 UTCBy the way, to me this is the most intense part of the doc! Someone was talking about killing someone, and they don't know who? Eesh! I did a little video to put Melanie, Melani, and Summer in that slot. I'll post it below on the main comment thread in just a sec.
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 23:02:40 +0000 UTCI agree! I mentioned in my notes that it’s really not possible to know whether that last field being "Summer" is correct, especially taking into consideration the fully redacted sentence immediately before it. I did do a little video of that section, and Summer's name lines up, BUT -- it could DEFINITELY be someone else entirely -- someone who is mentioned in that short redacted sentence that is second to last in the paragraph. The video is here: https://imgur.com/vwvFlwq As we know, it is always possible that some other name is in that field. While we can rule people OUT with near certainty (except for the possibility of misspellings!!), deciding that a field definitely DOES have a particular name is simply not possible. Especially a field that doesn't have as much context, or comes right after a redaction.
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 22:49:09 +0000 UTCHere's a little video showing how "and Chad Daybell" fits on the last page. Since there are no formal charges for Chad in AZ, I think they redacted it because didn't want to officially release this info. Most of the other names (Zulema, Melani, Summer) are too long to be candidates for this spot. Since Melanie Gibb's name is probably the closest in length, at the start of this video I show how her name is *close*, but doesn't work. Some have asked why there's an "and" under the redaction. Wouldn't they redact just names? Usually, but without an "and" it would read very awkwardly. Like, if it said "it is recommended that Lori Vallow Jane Dough be charged," that's confusing. We can see there's no comma after "Lori Vallow" so it doesn't say "it is recommended that Lori Vallow, Jane Dough be charged." Hence, the "and." https://imgur.com/a/wYdeOzC
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 22:35:33 +0000 UTCAh, correct! Sorry about that! I misspelled it in my comment here, but I was super careful about name spellings in the doc file. 👍
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 22:34:40 +0000 UTCShawn not Sean.
Stephanie May
2021-07-03 22:08:33 +0000 UTCOn page 11, the synopsis refers to [Melani] and Summer] in the same paragraph according to your unredacting. After the sentence “Lori told [Summer] that she was trying to figure it out” there’s a few redacted lines, then “There is no indication who [Summer] was talking about killing.” It would fit my theory that Melani was part of Lori’s closest inner circle if that last redacted name were Melani instead of Summer, but if it doesn’t fit the technology you’re using…. But if Summer was talking about killing Charles instead of maybe Charles killing Lori, per Lori’s paranoia or lies, everything changes. It’s confusing enough having an unredacted Julie showing up it, then having Summer as a deliberate conspirator to Charles’ murder would change a lot of what I thought we knew.
Lee Howell
2021-07-03 21:14:41 +0000 UTCHere's a brief video showing how Tylee fits on page 9, but Adam does not. https://imgur.com/vwvFlwq Interestingly, it sure does look like Summer's name is the best option for the sentence: "There is no indication who [Summer] was talking about killing. " 😳
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 21:14:40 +0000 UTCIn the line, "Lori told [Summer] that she was trying to figure it out," I think they mean that Lori told [Summer] that Tylee was trying to figure it out. Earlier in that paragraph, it says, "Lori found out about the potential intervention on 07/09/2019. She reached out to Alex Cox, [Melani Boudreaux] and [Summer Shiflet] to warn them of the elaborate plan that [Adam] and Charles had." My thought is that Tylee knew SOMETHING was going on. Tylee would have been driving by then, so I could see that she might go around and try to figure out what was happening. Summer might have "run interference" to distract Tylee, to keep her out of things, and to protect her. I did a little video showing the name "Tylee" in the doc versus the name "Adam." Adam does not fit. Tylee does, though. https://imgur.com/vwvFlwq
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 21:08:54 +0000 UTCI'm kind of bummed that it might be Mel B, misspelled!! LOL. That said, SLB *did* attend a PaP conference in Mesa, AZ, Nov 16-17, 2018. And Chad was there, of course. Mesa & Chandler are both in the Phoenix Metropolitan Area; Chandler is 8 miles (20 minute drive) due south of Mesa. (November 2018 is a month after Chad & Lori met. It's also when Chad supposedly spent time at Lori's house when Charles was out of town.) So who knows?? Like I said, I kind of wish Mel Misspelled didn't work so well, but it really does. I wonder if they'll ever release unredacted documents? Maybe after the case is over?
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 20:18:31 +0000 UTCOooooh, see my update below! I think the SLB spot is, in fact, Mel B after all, but misspelled. And I'm still happy to slot any other names into spots you'd like to see them! Just tell me where, and what names!
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 20:16:00 +0000 UTCYes, but logically since the redaction goofup happened, which mentioned the name 'Jule', Gurvine being in this protector role makes it plausible to me.
Lori Shillenn (Speakman)
2021-07-03 20:05:18 +0000 UTCOhh! UPDATE!! I've been creating little video files to show people how the redaction decoding works, and I stumbled upon something! Another name that works in the Sean LittleBear spot is "Melani Boudreau" -- misspelled, with no x! This shows how SLB fits in the spot: https://imgur.com/a/FdauKzA This shows how Melani Boudreaux doesn't fit, but then shows how Boudreaux misspelled without the X, DOES. https://imgur.com/a/6HVARRY You may have to copy+paste those links, if Patreon doesn't allow hotlinks in comments (e.g. like Instagram). I started with SLB, and as you can see at the very end of the little video clip, the line that "LittleBear" is on is not quiiiiiite lined up. All the text looks a little fat, kind of like it's bolded. Now, that can happen -- but really it should NOT. So it was bugging me! And I knew that Melani's name was a sort of close match, but her last name is too long. I decided to make a little video for it, spelled correctly -- and of course that doesn't work, no surprise -- it was actually the first name I tried when originally decoding things. BUT...when I was making the video, I saw that the "x" was hanging over kind of perfectly at the end, and I thought, hmmmmm, what if they forgot the x on her name? It IS a kind of tricky name to spell, and that X is silent.... And it works! In fact, to me it looks like Boudreau (no x) works BETTER. It's maddening that we can't possibly know which one it is. But even this process is absolutely not infallible! I hope this makes sense to y'all. Feel free to ask any questions!
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 19:37:43 +0000 UTCAnd thank you for this!
Emily Maupin
2021-07-03 19:10:43 +0000 UTCOf all Melanie Gibs lies, why say that she didn't know that Charles was killed for 4 days? Simply to distance herself?
Emily Maupin
2021-07-03 19:10:11 +0000 UTCTell me where you are thinking it would be Melani instead of Summer, and I'll try it out!
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 18:49:57 +0000 UTC*pre-meditation
RobynB
2021-07-03 17:08:00 +0000 UTCThank you, Julie. This is fascinating. It is shocking the amount of plotting, planning and conspiring. Premedication all the way. I keep thinking of those poor children Tylee and JJ as well as, Charles, Tammy and possibly J. Ryan. So deeply sadden by all the carnage.
RobynB
2021-07-03 17:05:31 +0000 UTCTo help folks understand why names that seem to be the same length, but aren't quite from a word processor protective, I'm going to make a few examples of where I put Zulema where people thought it might be Melani, or Melani where people thought Zulema. I'll post those here when I'm done!
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 16:14:56 +0000 UTCAbsolutely! Will do that in a bit.
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 16:11:46 +0000 UTCI think everyone else, except for Alex and Lori, were thinking totally in the spiritual realm. For all they knew, if they successfully exocised Hiplos, Charles could return. That's usually the way an exocism supposedly works. Zulema asks about returning Charles to "light". I would be curious if that question was answered by Chad anywhere in the texts, but the document says there is no evidence that Chad directly had anything to do with planning the actual murder.
Cindy Swisegood Howes
2021-07-03 16:05:26 +0000 UTCYes, because one of the discovery requests made by Means to Woods was any interviews with members of AVOW and PAP; but these people have not been heard from publicly except for Shawn Littlebear and Julie Rowe.
Cindy Swisegood Howes
2021-07-03 15:58:48 +0000 UTCI wonder if this is the time that Zak Cox referrred to in his interview with Justin Lum - "the whereabouts of Tylee" - being that she was at Janice and Barry's house. Zak said his grandmother steered Tylee away from Zak the last time he saw her. "Do you want me to run interference?" meaning to interfere with Adam's communication with Charles -which they did interfere with preventing Adam from staying at Alex's.
Cindy Swisegood Howes
2021-07-03 15:53:57 +0000 UTCCan she put it in PDF so that we can open it outside of Word?
Cynthia Carter
2021-07-03 14:50:31 +0000 UTCAs a huge Techo No 59 yr old who can barely open a PDF I am amazed by Julie's Ability!!!! Wow!
Kathy Suter
2021-07-03 13:44:16 +0000 UTCBias is a strange thing and I see my own in this case. That said, Melani Boudreaux has 16 spaces same as Shawn Littlebear. And there are a couple of places where the redacted name could be Melani instead of Summer. I feel like Lori would have kept the premeditation aspect of the murder in her smallest circle of supporters.
Lee Howell
2021-07-03 12:09:29 +0000 UTCYou guys are legends. Thank you
Elizabeth Campbell
2021-07-03 10:12:53 +0000 UTCThank you for sharing. Love it when someone else does the hard work so we don't have to 😂. I thought it was Zulema at the end, that should be charged. It had already stated that there wasn't any direct evidence to hold Chad for conspiracy
tora Johns
2021-07-03 09:39:47 +0000 UTCThanks Julie..now I understand where the name was supposed to fit! Your knowledge is going to make this task very interesting.
Leanne Volo
2021-07-03 07:36:56 +0000 UTCNice work, Julie! Thank you, Lauren, for sharing it with us. It’s 3:00am here on the east coast, so I can’t figure any of this out now. I’m sure I’ll have much to catch up on in the morning! Looking forward to seeing what else y’all figure out. 🤔
Katie Marlowe
2021-07-03 07:19:32 +0000 UTCI am starting to feel more confident it really is Shawn Littlebear. A couple of things: We know he would stay with Melanie Gibb in Arizona. I know he is friends with Melani Palowski on Facebook. I asked him about Melani during our interview, specifically because I recall they were friends. He didn't say much, except that his wife told him to stay away from her (I think?) I'll have to go watch the interview again. If he was in Arizona, it makes absolute sense Lori would ask Melani to recruit a friend of hers to protect her. This is making more sense. Maybe our focus should be more on: Can we prove Littlebear was in AZ during this time? When was the Pap Conference?
Lauren and John Matthias
2021-07-03 06:54:26 +0000 UTC"It seems to me that Summer very well might have run interference with Tylee, for a variety of reasons." I do not know what you mean by run interference with Tylee. And why and when did Summer have to provide Lori with Tylee's whereabouts? Sorry for being so obtuse. I am clueless. :(
Erica A. Zwick
2021-07-03 06:52:20 +0000 UTCThis is a very good break down and and analysis of content of a Word document. Well done.
Diana Adams
2021-07-03 06:41:29 +0000 UTCJMOW?
Diana Adams
2021-07-03 06:38:34 +0000 UTCIt's just that "Mow" on the second line isn't long enough to push that line of text out to where it needs to be, based on the redaction.
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 06:37:58 +0000 UTCOh, I am still shocked by it!!
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 06:36:55 +0000 UTCWhat about Jason Mow in place Shawn Littlebear? Mow was around Mel G and LVD in AZ during LVD and CVs contentious divorce antics. That's my $.02.
Diana Adams
2021-07-03 06:06:33 +0000 UTCAh! It's too short for that spot. Also, "Mel" only comes up in direct quotes from Lori's texts.
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 05:58:09 +0000 UTCIt's looking like you had the answer all long, not sure why I tried to use the logic that he wasn't local... The people in this case have no logic.
CC
2021-07-03 05:57:03 +0000 UTCWhich space? Not in the Shawn Littlebear space. We need a fairly long name. And, fwiw, Shawn Littlebear makes the text line up perfectly. Believe me, I was surprised!!
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 05:57:01 +0000 UTCI thought it might wrap, but like many of them, this all stayed on the first line and didn't wrap to the next.
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 05:55:58 +0000 UTCHe didn't fit into the SLB slot.
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 05:55:21 +0000 UTCThor Furuseth didn't work. (FWIW, it looks like it's too short to cause the second name to wrap to the next line.)
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 05:53:01 +0000 UTCSorry, I was referring to the "she was trying to figure it out" statement...
Leanne Volo
2021-07-03 05:43:37 +0000 UTCSince this is the. docx file, anyone with MS Word is welcome to download and try out different names! Just, after you open the file in whatever version of Word you have, take a look through the document from start to finish. If it still has exactly the same line breaks and page breaks, you're good to go to try out different names. The upshot is, think of it this way: if you printed both pages on thin paper and put them on a light table, would they PERFECTLY match up? Then you very likely have the right name. I'll plug in any contenders listed here and will let you know what I see!
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 05:35:09 +0000 UTCWould just plain "Mel" fit into the space?
Leanne Volo
2021-07-03 05:34:25 +0000 UTCI'm scanning old docs for a long second word or name.
CC
2021-07-03 05:30:33 +0000 UTCStake President?
CC
2021-07-03 05:30:02 +0000 UTCI JUST HAD ANOTHER IMPORTANT NAME COME TO ME! JOEL!! He was Julie's bodyguard, and friends with Chad, so it would sense he could protect! JOEL GURVINE... probably too short, but would he fit anywhere?
Lauren and John Matthias
2021-07-03 05:22:36 +0000 UTCI didn't think of Thor! Brilliant!
Lauren and John Matthias
2021-07-03 05:21:24 +0000 UTCThis is smart.
Lauren and John Matthias
2021-07-03 05:21:08 +0000 UTCSeems odd to use last names, though? I might look through the old document from chad where he gave people their religious names..... If I can find it.
CC
2021-07-03 05:18:34 +0000 UTCI'll try those!
Julie Holden
2021-07-03 05:18:33 +0000 UTCDavid Warwick? Mike Simpson? Thor Furuseth?
CC
2021-07-03 05:17:28 +0000 UTC
