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What Game Theory Reveals About Life, The Universe, and Everything - Patreon bonus content

Originally published in December 2023, 'What Game Theory reveals…' has proven to be one of the most warmly received Veritasium videos ever. Since we’re still getting comments about it, we thought we’d post some of the fantastic interview footage that didn’t make the final cut. Please enjoy the wonderful Steven Strogatz and Robert Axelrod discussing the Prisoner’s Dilemma, tit for tat, zero sum fallacy and natural selection, among other topics.

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And here's where to buy his autobiography: https://press.umich.edu/Books/A/A-Passion-for-Cooperation2

TTST

Here's where to buy the book from the publisher: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-axelrod/the-evolution-of-cooperation/9780465005642/?lens=basic-books

TTST

For anyone looking for the original video, here it is on yt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScpHTIi-kM

Marc Cohen

Dr. Axelrod said we could download his book for free, from Amazon. I couldn't find the online version there, but it's available, free, from https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/76548/9780472903948.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Dave Muth

Thanks for the thoughts!

chromicacid

Rational is typically treated as a synonym for logical, or at least, acting in one's own interests.... but for many I think it's actually closer to "thinks like me." A classic example of irrational behavior is working class people who vote for "conservative" candidates espousing policies which will hurt them e.g; tax cuts (for the rich), dismantling of the welfare state, etc.All of the examples I can think of for rational are probably better framed a prudent e.g; looking both ways, even if you're crossing a one-way street. I suppose you could say the Platonic form of rational behavior would be Vulcans.

Jerrad Pierce

More like all my life I've been trying to figure out what people mean by words rational, irrational, and emotional. They seem like such flexible terms and are used more like punctuation or a sentiment than words with a strict meaning. The closest (I think) I've gotten to a definition is in Aristotle's Rhetoric in the use of "logos", which I've understood to be an appeal to the mind, and appeal to order (as opposed to ethos and pathos, which appeal to other things). If that is what it means to be logical/rational, then that tells me is that there is an order that is expected to be followed, and deviating from that order is, by definition, illogical/irrational. This tells me nothing about _what_ order is being followed. I was diagnosed with Asperger's years ago and I've been spending my whole life trying to understand terminology that others have taken for granted. Would you mind chiming in with your own definition? At the moment, I don't have many viewpoints to even consider. Definition + at least two examples would help and be appreciated.

chromicacid

In all your life you've never encountered irrational actors?? In this context, an example of someone whom might not follow the prescribed "logic" is someone who is meta-gaming (importing knowledge about unrelated events from outside the interaction), or pacifist, etc.

Jerrad Pierce

@8:09 Is he saying that it is faulty reasoning to use any other value system in this scenario? Not sure I understand that quip about "assuming you're rational." Quote: "If I know that I'm going to play with you twice, I can reason that I should defect both turns, and the reasoning would be, on the last turn, I'm never going to see you again, so no matter what you do, it's best for me to defect. You would reason the same way assuming you're rational."

chromicacid

I was watching a recent video by the Extra Credits channel about a brief history of gaming, and it was mentioned that until sometime in the mid 1800s, games often functioned as moral instruction (aside from gambling games). I'm curious if the term "game theory" is pulling from older definitions of games as it attempts to reverse engineer other people's moral systems. Or is the term more recent then that?

chromicacid


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