Testing Slamfire: Sneaky Advantage or Useless Hype? (Ad-Free)
Added 2023-09-23 12:00:02 +0000 UTCWe've all heard about how the Winchester 1897 is capable of slam fire, but is that really a useful feature? Or is it just a cost-saving safety hazard? Well, Matt Haught of Sym-Tac consulting and I are at the range today to find out...
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Tim The Enchanter
2023-09-27 21:49:07 +0000 UTCGreat video on slam figure. As a USMC combat vet, I carried an 870 on many occasions. Completely understand the issue of potential negligent discharges with slam fire. I have a WW I Model 97 in my collection as well as numerous riot guns. The Stevens 520 is much smoother than an 1897 and has slam fire. But they are not as smooth as a broken in 870. The question I have is how would an 870 with slam fire compare? It’s probably not possible for a “slam fire selector” to be fitted. However, I really like the slam fire for up close and personal work like in buildings. Love your videos. James W. Schindler LTCOL USMS Retired
Bedfordtec
2023-09-25 02:39:59 +0000 UTCThis was a great concept for a show segment. However, I think it would have been much more relevant if you used just the M1897 firing it both ways to see which method was more effective. Introducing all the extraneous variables of a completely different shotgun kind of clouds the whole test.
Thomas Batha
2023-09-24 13:05:22 +0000 UTCSLAM FIRE! With paper shotgun shells… in muddy, soggy Western Front… somewhere Othais giggles.
Chairman
2023-09-24 01:04:48 +0000 UTCNot so sure. Matt Haugh was (copied from my post below) with the 1897, able to work the slide and transition to another target during recoil so that when the action closed and the gun slam-fired, he was aiming it at a new target. That's expert level stuff to get the most out of the slam-fire feature. Although it would be interesting to see how someone who was an expert operator with the 1897 utilised the slam-fire feature.
Fruitbat44
2023-09-23 22:36:39 +0000 UTCNeat video. And good points about the ergonomics of the shotgun and operator skill & familiarity being more important factors. Cool that with the 1897 Matt Haugh was able to work the slide and transition to another target during recoil. I do wonder if the idea of slam-fire being a desirable feature comes from the idea that shotgun produced a "wide cone of death," and that firing five rounds as quickly as you could pump the slide would fill a whole trench full of buckshot.
Fruitbat44
2023-09-23 22:32:21 +0000 UTCYeah, the problem with his analysis is that he's an 'expert' operator of the 870, while the person managing a 'trench-broom' in WW 1 may never have held a shotgun before showing up at basic training. It would be more interesting to see a 'non-expert' try the same course of fire to see if a normie would get more use out of this.
Rich Parker
2023-09-23 19:19:58 +0000 UTCgreat. now I think ipsc shotgun match.... platerack? something?
Guido Schriewer
2023-09-23 14:17:29 +0000 UTCshotgun time.... got to love that. you saying clint smith didn´t had defensive shotgun back then? just kidding. I really really like that guy. not about the slam fire but my lady could need a 97 for cas. a side by side kicks. I like a double though.
Guido Schriewer
2023-09-23 13:58:26 +0000 UTCWhen I was in the navy, the USS Coral Sea was being decommissioned and other ships in port were allowed to send over crew to grab things that would be useful from her. Anyway, while I was aboard being shown around they had a security alert and my guide pulled me against the bulkhead of the passageway as the reaction party ran past. Leading the pack was the marine with one of those shotguns with the big fucking bayonet fixed and pointing straight ahead. I knew that it was the 17 inch WW1 bayonet, but when he was charging down the passageway, pointy end first, it looked like it was at least three or four feet long. It was definitely a pucker factor moment.
Dale Farmer
2023-09-23 13:36:05 +0000 UTC
