This Jungian Life

This Jungian Life

THE UNSPOKEN WOUNDING OF MEN: bonus episode for all patrons!

Added 2021-06-17 13:47:57 +0000 UTC

Hey Patrons,

After each podcast, we’re recording our reflections on the process and sharing them only with you. We released our podcast THE UNSPOKEN WOUNDING OF MEN– here’s the link: https://thisjungianlife.com/episode-168-the-unspoken-wounding-of-men/

Here’s our bonus conversation just for patrons:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tvlxuir37db5wbc/TJL_168-Wounded-Man_PATREON.mp3?dl=0

Let us know what you think.

~ Joseph

Comments

Hi LAB, By traditional I mean in many cases patriarchal. So, I really meant it is a triumph for girls and women to be able to value, explore and do things that had more or less been the purview of boys and men. Everyone should be able to value, explore and do things as they please. Under patriarchy gender roles became in a Procrustean manner rigid for all and oppressive, I think especially to girls and women. As a consequence of living in human culture, society & kinship people's Egos adapt by banishing rejected & suppressed parts of ourselves out of awareness and access more or less deeply into our Shadows. There is also how we present ourselves to the world and to other people, this is our presenting gender-aligned Persona, mediating between our Ego and the outside world. Its corollary, the mediator to our personal unconscious and the Collective Unconscious, is the contrasexual Animus/Anima. I see the Feminine and Masculine principles not really to be polar opposites of each other, but each rather is sui generis. As in the way that cats are not the opposite of dogs. They share overlapping content, but also differ in content much of which is different rather than opposite, different relationships to the four psychological functions, feeling, thinking, intuition, sensation, different values and foci, different creativities, different expressions, etc.

2021-07-29 16:46:54 +0000 UTC

"We are wounded by the expansion of females into our traditional roles, I think of the triumph of girls and women in especially soccer and other athleticisms. There is no longer a need for boys to carry those attributes for vicarious fulfillment..." Just so I understand, are you saying that because girls are now playing soccer and being paid for work that men have traditionally been paid for, that that makes men's work meaningless or less valuable? I also don't totally understand what you mean by "traditional."

2021-07-22 23:16:45 +0000 UTC

Woundings of men and their essential phallus energies in our culture occur at our vulnerabilities that are often just adjacent our strengths and power. It is ironic that the the surest way to physically debilitate a boy or man is to physically traumatize the origin of his physical fertility that lie just adjacent to his phallus, i.e., his testicles. The use and abuse of these various vulnerabilities is manifold, e.g., school girls learn of this vulnerability in the pre-phallic stage and some readily shame, threaten and harm boys with this knowledge. I think the same goes for fathering. I was a non-custodial parent. The systemic and even intentional humiliations of this status are manifold. Fathers are ever blameworthy, ever second fiddle to the mother despite our life-long sacrifices to serve, provide & protect. Fathers are parents at the same level that adoptive mothers are parents; we did not gestate, labor, deliver, or nurse, but we are in it for the long haul. I know that I was neurologically bonded to my son shortly after his birth; I felt it happen - was like the turning of massive, cosmic tumblers of a lock I did not know I contained. We ever make mistakes with our children meaning to do well by them but blundering into harming them or alienating them or bearing blame for being so absent doing the only thing we may think we’re supposed to do. This was Robert Bly’s indictment of industrialization/post-industrialization -the removal of the father from the home. Almost ever thing covered in the “Dark Side of Mothering” episode rang true with me as a father. But to insinuate co-equality seems to engender umbrage if not rage that a mere father should dare to claim such, which is tantamount to diminution and/or usurpation of the primacy of the mother as the real and true and natural parent. I say, do a “Dark Side of Fathering”episode. And, there’s as much or more need for the explication of these woudings, vulnerabilities, blunders and complexes in a book of that title as for Lisa’s book on mothering. We are wounded for trying to be a father among peers and at work - this may be better now, but it’s still not co-equal - maxing out paternity leave is not a great idea in most workplaces. We are wounded by the expansion of females into our traditional roles, I think of the triumph of girls and women in especially soccer and other athleticisms. There is no longer a need for boys to carry those attributes for vicarious fulfillment, or for unconscious projection and ultimate conscious retrieval, as a basis for an erotic/amorous attraction to the Other à la Robert Johnson. Boys/men have less and less novelty to bear projection. And boys and men expanding into women’s’ traditional roles is not valued or welcomed. I think that the great phallus-wounding archetype constellating in the collective is not Hera, it’s Artemis, with her self-sufficiency surrounded by self-sufficient demi-Artemises. Phallus energy is mortal Actaeon stumbling upon Artemis, for whom this male has nothing she wants or needs and so disdains his intruding, mortal phallus, and who punishes his blundering intrusion - by turning him into a rutting brute of a stag that is then hunted down and destroyed, as in the Atlantic article. Thank you for all you do. Brian

2021-06-25 02:53:49 +0000 UTC

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