Getting the twin back on the pod. This was a very interesting chat, though I was incredibly jetlagged.
Link is here: http://apple.co/2oyL7Vy
He drank lapsang souchong and I had some jasmine green tea (I know I'm predictably green-tea based life-form). We talked about Grenfell, the economy of attention, deep long held carrot resentment, sharks, terrorism, trans suicide rates, road rage for cyclists and the lack of hope that seems to be a bit pervasive nowadays.
Hen's off the social media for now, but if you have any messages for him, send them over, and I'll pass them on. (unless they're mean, in which case you'll have to put the effort in).