Black Sails 4x01 Reaction
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This 💯 Hope they read this. In comparison logically he’s not in any way worse than the other characters rn and killing hostages is a common thing in history because you can’t feed them or other reasons. The Allies in ww2 after D-Day killed all prisoners because they couldn’t spare time to feed and guard them.
Melkor
2024-04-04 09:46:00 +0000 UTCI definitely misunderstood you then, sorry for the rant. But if we agree on those two things, I fail to understand what was your point.
Sweet Owl
2024-04-04 08:09:25 +0000 UTCRogers is a complicated character. At this moment in the story, he really has not done anything that can justify watching him as a bad guy or a villain really (when you compare him with all the other characters that we like). A very telling scene that many gloss over because this is just a show and not real life, is the scene where Rogers says that the 121 prisoners they got, means for them that there are now 121 mouths to feed and 121 people to "care" for. In contrast we later see the victorious Blackbeard and our crew, shooting in cold blood all the British prisoners that they got. So normally that would have to point us that Rogers is the "good" guy and the pirates are the bad guys. (shocking i know, pirates being bad). But because this is a show about pirates, we have more sympathy to their cause, than we probably should as "civilized" people. Now there is the colonizing aspect also in the middle, so it is more complicated than what i described above, but i believe you get the point.
AlexBoss
2024-04-04 06:32:33 +0000 UTCI wasn't defending the change at all. I don't think they should have softened those things in the movie. I was arguing against the idea that it was done in the name of "pleasing the woke people". You don't need to convince me of the importance of showing that kind of thing, or that them doing that for the sake of "appealing to a modern audience" is good. That's not the point I was trying to make at all.
cosmotron
2024-04-04 01:53:41 +0000 UTCI don't call leftists woke, I'm a leftist myself ;) I call woke the ones who bring to the extreme certain ideologes at the point it becomes ridiculous and not better than the far right. Oh come on, you are defending the undefendable here, and what truly is a ridiculous sentence, as you put it, is "more appealing for a broader modern audience"; every time they say that about a movie or tv show or whatever, 90% guarantee is trash. The movie was about a a population that actually existed and that sold slaves to the europeans, even black people (at least the ones who know history) were angry about the absurd change. To change history in order to appeal "to a broad modern audience" is an absurdity. To soften some events is understandable, even Spielberg didn't show everything in Schindler's List, but to completely reverse historical facts is just moronic. The right way to include non-western cultures is to study their actual culture, history, traditions and then represent them for what they are/were, not by changing history to support an agenda. Like, I spent hours watching a guy from a trible in South Africa talking about dung beetles and plants from his region, his name is Sakhile Dube if you want to look him up, he's great. That's not material for a movie or tv show of course, but my point is that from Africa as from the rest of the world, there are plenty of interesting stories to tell that can be both entertaining and educational, without the need to change them to appeal to "the modern audience", because they only reasons they do that are political and economical, they don't give a shit about actually represent minorities or other cultures in general. PS: if you want an objective analysis of that movie by someone who actually study and knows history, here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gku05HqlJw it's only 16 mins long, it won't take much time.
Sweet Owl
2024-04-03 23:30:54 +0000 UTCSilver: *Underwater* Lola: "Catch your breath"
Shivering King Banana
2024-04-03 21:47:22 +0000 UTCI think we're getting a number of examples of how people react to the seductive 'good' feeling of darkness when they come into a position of power. Here we have Woodes Rogers and Berringer, in this episode we also have Billy making an example of the men who betrayed him - how does he feel here?
Gillian
2024-04-03 19:25:57 +0000 UTC“To please the woke people” is a ridiculous sentence. That movie received plenty of criticism from leftists (or whoever you’d call “woke”, even though that term is basically meaningless in the way people use it now) for precisely that reason. Even Wikipedia has a whole section about it, and multiple sources used are from more leftist spaces. They changed that in the movie because it was about fictional characters in a historical setting, and movies almost always soften those kind of characters in one way or another to make it more appealing for a broader modern audience. And it got *lots* of criticism for doing it, as always happens when those kind of changes are made.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 19:08:23 +0000 UTCLol doing the scottish accent was adorable! *-* Fun fact: Captain Berringer, the one you hate, is Toby Stephens' brother. He goes with the last name Larkin because he didn't want to get preferential treatment due to his family name.
Sweet Owl
2024-04-03 18:05:45 +0000 UTC"the African rulers/elite were the ones at the start who was selling their own people into slavery because it was so extremely profitable" this is something that is often omitted or even distorted, like how they did in "The Woman King", literally changing history to please the woke people, I'm glad you pointed that out.
Sweet Owl
2024-04-03 18:00:25 +0000 UTCare we getting invincible today?
hassan jabari
2024-04-03 17:04:50 +0000 UTCjust finished season 4 over the weekend and wow these next few weeks are gonna be a rollercoaster for them! as for what could come after, maybe a short show could fill the month and a half wait for the boys and HoTD. knowing how much support andor had in the last poll maybe that could be an option
Sebastian
2024-04-03 09:27:31 +0000 UTCI’m not saying I really expected anything differently, and I think it makes sense that Rogers would have those biases because of the civilization he was raised in. Leaving aside the idea that being expected doesn’t make it better, it’s not about holding them to modern standards. But this show *was* written for a modern audience, and these are intentional writing choices being made that reflects the characters. A big part of Eleanor’s relationship with Rogers has involved her feeling that they are truly partners, and she has been nothing but up front with him. Rogers acting this way because she is his wife now is a notable difference, and one that has subtext for his character and their relationship, In my opinion.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 09:13:06 +0000 UTCWhile I don’t entirely agree I’ll still admit you have a point however it’s not like the pirates have woman in the position either socially or anything else that woman hold in Europe or at least the more advanced parts of the world. Because of many reasons the simple fact is that woman were expected to act and be a certain way in different parts of the worlds and ofc this changed into different ways over times but overall imo we shouldn’t hold modern standards on the people that lived 300-400 years ago. Warcrimes like today weren’t even a thing back then.
Melkor
2024-04-03 09:03:09 +0000 UTCI don't like Woodes Rogers at all, I've made that clear at this point. But during the scene where he's watching Berringer cut off DeGroot's ear, my interpretation is something more in line with another scene and character. After Silver stomped in Dufresne's head, and he talked with Flint about it afterward. And he's both disturbed and acknowledges "how good it feels" to embrace that kind of darkness. I think Rogers is having a somewhat similar conflict. He sees how disturbing these acts are, but embracing this darkness also feels good. Powerful. And like Flint said when he talked about how darkness would cloak itself in reason, Rogers justifies his increasingly brutal tactics and black and white worldview every time he does it. He's a layered character, like everyone, even if I don't like him at all.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 07:36:34 +0000 UTCThe way Rogers talks to Eleanor (and Max to a lesser extent) this episode I think says a lot about how he views her. For all of his promises that she is his partner and that he sees her as such...he doesn't treat her that way, at least not completely. He seems to think he is, but the way he tried to hide this information from her, plus how he lashed out at Max (for really no reason) because of the stress it was causing him, both point to how he views them and the supposed partnership they have. Eleanor has to push him to reveal the truth, a truth he has been concealing for at least a little while. And, frankly, it comes off as very dismissive. Like in a "don't worry your pretty little head about it " sort of way. Because Rogers should know by now who Eleanor is, the things she has done and is capable of. She's supposed to be his partner and someone from whom he seeks advice. But now that she's his wife his behavior toward her has shifted, in a way that he doesn't even seem to realize, but that Eleanor has certainly noticed (as has Max I think, though she of course is not privy to the more private moments).
cosmotron
2024-04-03 03:41:39 +0000 UTCHey guys are you going to watch Andor after black sails
Jesse S
2024-04-03 03:40:45 +0000 UTCEven tho John saying "maybe we'll even be friends" in S1 was obvious foreshadowing, at the time it seemed impossible for Flint to call him that, and now here we are. I knew I was gonna love their relationship
HenryM
2024-04-03 03:01:20 +0000 UTCThe moment he took the broken teacup I remembered Vane saying "All so goddamn fragile."
Gustavo
2024-04-03 02:00:43 +0000 UTCFun fact: the actor for Captain Berringer is Toby Stephen's (Flint) brother.
Vincent
2024-04-03 01:59:10 +0000 UTCYour bad vibes about Rogers are exactly how I felt watching this for the first time haha. Naq gubfr ivorf jrer evtug! V frafrq uvf erq synt naq unir bayl pbzr gb qrfcvfr uvz zber.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 01:46:19 +0000 UTC"I aint need to prove anything! I don't need to figure out who I am!" What a great moment from Anne. Again, comparing her here to where she was in s1 is such a difference. Back then she hid behind her hat and her scowl, and was left "adrift" while struggling to figure herself out. But she isn't questioning those things anymore. She isn't needing to find herself, or prove who she is: it's something she knows and is sure of. Her words also call back to s3 when they nearly left Nassau with their own shares of the Urca gold. Unlike Jack - who could not bear to leave his name behind - she was perfectly okay with starting over, and going off just the two of them. Her sense of self is not so literally tied to her legacy or anything else: it is hers alone.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 01:29:29 +0000 UTCI really love the conversation with Flint and Silver at the start. "If it helps, I haven't thought of killing you in months." And of course, how easily they call themselves friends now. Back in s1 Silver suggesting as much was a laughable idea, and look where they are now. In turn, the conversation with Madi and Flint later on (when they think Silver is dead) is also excellent. There's something noticeably...softer, almost, about Flint ever since he has found this new purpose and friendship. And you can feel how genuine he is being with Madi - and she can tell the same as well. Obligatory 'I love Madi' statement! Her conversation with Silver in the little flashback is also great, both in terms of characterization and to show their relationship. I appreciate how, even though we don't actually see them get together, their relationship feels very real and natural.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 01:24:36 +0000 UTCOh, and the broken teacup Flint holds is not only a reminder of Miranda (anytime we go to her house it's like her ghost is there all over again), but also a visual callback to a moment in s3. When Vane and Flint were having a conversation in this house about comfort and domesticity. Vane was holding a teacup - maybe even that teacup - in his hands like he'd never seen anything like it and didn't know how to hold it. Minor detail, but as always with this show those small details are excellent.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 01:17:41 +0000 UTCI think it's very interesting that Eleanor's role as advisor to the governor (who also happens to be sleeping with him) was clearly quite a different experience to actually being Mrs. Rogers, wife of a governor. The conversation she has with Max is one I'll come back to in another episode, but I quite like it. Both because of the conversation itself, and Max's observations. As well as the visual details: Eleanor accidentally stabbing herself with the needle and cursing, and the fact that Max isn't embroidering.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 01:12:11 +0000 UTCThis is why you can guess the British can’t let the pirates remain because they are in an area with lots of economic use and exploitation that can enrich Britain so letting the pirates stay is a no no.
Melkor
2024-04-03 01:10:18 +0000 UTCExtremely smart move Rogers is a very competent enemy. :)
Melkor
2024-04-03 01:01:15 +0000 UTCThat tactic of putting sunken ships in the harbor was a real naval tactic as well! Very interesting to see it in action, and that whole sequence is so well done.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 00:57:28 +0000 UTCI’m surprised you say they act just like colonizers (England in this scene with Rogers but I assume you mean both spain and England) when that is literally their goal why they did colonial expansion. There were 4 main reasons for colonialism in the early modern era which this is in and those without going into detail (I can if you want) are: 1. Economic reasons: The rise of Muslim empires after the Roman empires fall in 1453 made Europe have to find another trade route to China for spices etc so they started doing maritime voyages which led to establishing colonial trade outposts to find new trade routes for economic prosperity after the fall of Rome. (because after Rome fell the Muslims took over and started demanding tolls through their land which was unprofitable for the Europeans) 2. Religious reasons: Convert non believers to Christianity to save peoples souls and show them the way. A great way for them to morally justify their conquest I gotta say. Very smart 3. Renaissance thinking: Wanting to explore and find new land which was a big thing during these times. 4. Prestige and competition between European monarchs. Fun fact since I’m Scandinavian technically the first people to find America were the Vikings who got there first and established a small outpost long before. Sadly it didn’t last because having paganism grow in America would be such a cool alternative History. Also Portugal started the Atlantic slave trade and technically the African rulers/elite were the ones at the start who was selling their own people into slavery because it was so extremely profitable. Tho slavery as a trade has gone on for much longer wayyy before the Roman Empire even. Sorry for the rant you seemed surprised that the colonizers were doing colonialism so I felt the need to put my history knowledge to the table.
Melkor
2024-04-03 00:56:22 +0000 UTCLook at this scene of John going under, so beautifully made. The production value of Black Sails was just on another level.
Gustavo
2024-04-03 00:51:01 +0000 UTCThat discussion at the beginning lmao, maybe this show should've been the swan song of your channel for when you decided to retire 😄
HenryM
2024-04-03 00:36:27 +0000 UTCThe beginning of the end 💔
Jason
2024-04-03 00:21:11 +0000 UTCSeason four!!!! I'm so sad you are almost done yet so excited for you both to experience the incredible ride of this season.
cosmotron
2024-04-03 00:00:48 +0000 UTCHowdy y'all, here's my reaction to 4x01! :) https://youtu.be/v8cepvnmCL8
TeaDrinker3000
2024-04-02 23:58:53 +0000 UTCThis was a good episode , but I admit I'm more excited for episode 2 reaction . That one will be interesting 😃
Sone
2024-04-02 23:58:51 +0000 UTC
