DMCA takedown notice for GTA V, RDR2 and Mafia
Added 2022-07-06 17:41:54 +0000 UTCUpdate 4: Thanks to Lance M., there is now a petition on change.org that you might consider signing in order to give visibility to the matter and perhaps motivate Take-Two to reconsider their scorched-earth approach. If you have any friends who are into VR or mods in general, tell them too!
Update 3: I have removed from the Patreon everything that can be even remotely associated with IP by Take-Two, Rockstar and 2K.
Patreon doesn't provide any functionality to archive, backup or hide posts, so I had to implement a workaround (ain't that always the case?): you will see that my page now has a new tier called "Archived posts". That tier is accessible only to me, and I'm using it to preserve all of the old information, tutorials, your valuable comments and guides. Unless Patreon arbitrarily decides to pull the plug, I'm not voluntarily destroying forever that wealth of materials that YOUR monetary support has paid for.
I will now contact Patreon directly and ask for the page to be restored to normal status, as this is how it appears to me at the moment:

I will also create a new post explaining what I believe we should do as a community; attached to that new post you will find a crippled release that drops all support for the games that Take-Two, Rockstar Games and 2K Games don't want their paying customers to be able to play in VR.
Update 2: There is not much time left until the DMCA 48-hour deadline expires.
One full day has gone by already since I asked for a communication channel with Take-Two and a Patreon rep replied to me: "I will reach out to Take-Two directly and see what contact method they would be willing to provide, and I will reply as soon as I have received their answer." After that, I received no further messages from Patreon, and apparently nobody has been able to get in touch with any representative from Take-Two.
To the best of my knowledge, Take-Two received requests for comment and/or for clarifications from The Verge, Kotaku, UploadVR, Rock Paper Shotgun, and of course from myself via Patreon, and they didn't bother to respond to anybody.
Additionally, Patreon failed to comply with my request to receive a copy of the original DMCA notice that Take-Two sent to them (as I never received any direct communication from Take-Two, in writing or any other forms). One almost gets the feeling that Patreon cares more about steering clear of any risks of being held liable than they care about protecting their creators from arbitrary (ab)use of the DMCA nuke.
So, since Patreon is threatening to suspend my account although by their own admission they don't even know what "the specific URLs at issue" are, for the moment I have no other option than to remove EVERYTHING even remotely related to Rockstar and 2K games. This is exclusively meant to minimize disruption to my Patrons who otherwise might see the provider denying access to every part of the service they pledged for, even those portions having nothing to do with the current action.
I have already begun the process and it should be complete in the next 16 hours or so. All posts pertaining to the games involved will be archived and will no longer be accessible, and my R.E.A.L. framework will be updated to a new version that completely removes support for Rockstar and 2K games. Unless/until an agreement is reached with Take-Two, I will also be in the position where I won't be able to respond to any support requests regarding those games, at least as long as the matter is being disputed.
Note that none of the above might be construed to imply that I admit any wrongdoing or believe that Take-Two's DMCA notice has any legal merit. On the contrary, it is my belief that their action is wrongful and unmotivated, and that they are willfully making it much worse by their refusal to communicate, and I reserve the right to take legal action against any and all of the parties involved.
Dear friends, please forgive me as for obvious reasons I'm currently unable to respond to your requests for tech support. During the past year I never missed one day of replying wherever help was needed, but now that the community is under attack there are other priorities. I'm still trying to read all your messages and comments, and I am moved by the way you guys are coming together against this soulless, voiceless corporate maneuver, but I don't have enough time to reply to each one of you!
Update 1: You're unfailingly awesome, both in good and difficult times!! Thank you so much to everybody who reacted to this, with words of encouragement, words of warning, legal or semi-legal advice... even by increasing your pledge! Honestly, I'm overwhelmed by your reaction and I love you all <3
Sorry that right now I cannot personally reply to all of you!
As promised, I'm keeping you updated though: no word from Take-Two for now, but Patreon has offered to try and establish a direct channel. I'm grateful for that and I hope that the effort will succeed and lead to a positive resolution, because I'm firmly convinced that what we're doing cannot be hurting Take-Two's bottom line in any way.
Original text:
I just received a DMCA takedown notice from Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., parent company of Rockstar Games, Inc. and 2K Games, Inc., in relation to Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead Redemption 2, and Mafia Definitive Edition.
They are demanding that I remove all their copyrighted works from my Patreon page.
I immediately asked for clarifications, since it is my belief that I'm not hosting any such materials. As you all know, I do create and distribute original modifications for those games, i.e., original pieces of software of my own creation that allow users to experience those games in a different and hopefully more intense and profound way. However, none of my modifications are built using software belonging to Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc, and the modifications are not intended to replace their games, nor are they a means of exploiting Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc's proprietary IP or assets. All of my modifications require that users buy and own the games before they can add my modifications.
I have no experience with DMCA notices, so I don't know whether it will actually be possible to obtain such clarifications and to understand what materials specifically Take-Two believe to be in violation of their rights. To prevent unrelated discussions, please note that this was filed as a copyright issue and not a licensing issue, so the motivation for the request does not appear to be related to the fact that there is money involved.
I'm publishing this post first and foremost to keep you appraised of the situation, and secondarily to ask you for help in case any of you knows what channels I might use in order to get a better understanding of what Take-Two wants.
As I publicly stated many times, I honor and respect copyright and my intention has always been to allow gamers to experience the wonderful worlds created by Rockstar and 2K (among other companies) in Virtual Reality, which only translates to more customer satisfaction and more copies sold for them. I don't sell or host anything exploiting or repurposing their original IP and assets and my mods only work if the user already owns a legal copy of their original games.
That said, if I get no clarifications from them allowing me to determine what they want removed, I will of course be forced to take down anything even remotely related to any product made or distributed by Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., Rockstar Games, Inc. and 2K Games, Inc.
Again, as I always said, if left in the dark I can only err on the side of caution, and I will not risk other games being involved in the purge in case Patreon elects to shut down my page. That means that all posts, images, guides, recommendations, tutorials and above all my VR mods for GTA V, Red Dead Redemption 2, Mafia: Definitive Edition, Mafia II: Definitive Edition, Mafia III: Definitive Edition will be taken down and will no longer be accessible to download.
I refuse to believe that is what Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. wants, because that would be an extremely anti-customer and anti-gamer move on their part. But I am not getting in a legal battle with them. If what they want is to assert their corporate dominance with gamers' interests as collateral damage, I have no power to stop them.
Comments
j'ai annuler l'abonnement pour cause peux pas GTA peut on se faire remboursser?
Woodrunner
2025-04-15 19:57:18 +0000 UTCDude this sucks I just joined today.. How were we supposed to know of this before purchasing the patreon??????
Mo
2025-02-26 07:30:37 +0000 UTCSorry, I don't really scroll back this far often as these posts are super old :) The mod is still out there on the internet and there are YouTube videos on how to get it working but it is no longer supported here because Luke was forced to take it down. You can also find info and a channel dedicated to it on the Flat2VR discord.
Brandon(Post Maester)
2024-08-07 07:38:06 +0000 UTCHi to all. SO..Is not possible to download RDR'mod???
Armando Palermo
2024-07-26 00:26:43 +0000 UTCDude this sucks I just joined today.. How were we supposed to know of this before purchasing the patreon??????
J
2024-03-26 20:38:28 +0000 UTCWhere is the MOD? I am ready to delete and redownload it again for GTA
The Liver Man
2024-03-12 00:23:42 +0000 UTChow can i get gta v to play flat again. i can't just remove the vr files
Derrick taylor
2023-12-10 10:18:17 +0000 UTCThank god I still have the version that supports GTV and RDR2. Will never delete those. Fuck T2/R*
TheUnshackled
2023-08-16 16:05:11 +0000 UTCRDR2 looked cool af
Ape Tronic pc
2023-03-22 01:40:58 +0000 UTCPetition Signed and donated to!!
David Itse
2022-12-19 22:27:01 +0000 UTC#MeRDR2
Edward
2022-11-27 19:25:05 +0000 UTCHey can you share your .zip folder, unzipped with the original mod files?
trayvon waller
2022-11-25 05:55:25 +0000 UTCSupport for it is no longer offered here but you can ask for help getting it working in the Luke Ross section of the Flat2VR discord.
Brandon(Post Maester)
2022-11-07 06:56:09 +0000 UTCsame for me saddddd
Slimbips
2022-11-05 16:15:55 +0000 UTCSure, if you're not interested in any of the other games you can cancel the subscription. Would you consider signing the petition?
LukeRoss
2022-10-18 19:52:51 +0000 UTCI bought a subscription to download VR mod RDR 2, and it has already been deleted, is it possible to cancel the subscription?
Saw88ss
2022-10-16 17:43:42 +0000 UTCDoes anyone have them?!?!?
Charles
2022-09-22 03:19:24 +0000 UTCWell for me RDR2 is Game Over too. Thank you to Rockstars team.
STORM3D4LIFE
2022-09-13 22:42:56 +0000 UTChow do i sign petition
Mark Ashton
2022-08-27 01:45:33 +0000 UTCSame as Jason, I only just got RDR2 for your mod. :(
Lynn Cherny
2022-08-14 12:59:21 +0000 UTCI feel like suing the company because I only bought Red Dead Redemption because of your mod. I have little interest in playing pancake games, but will buy AAA titles in the future if you have mods for them.
Jason Gorman
2022-08-11 01:22:55 +0000 UTCThank you so much guys, it's really moving for me to see how fast and hard the community knits together!!
LukeRoss
2022-07-11 19:16:20 +0000 UTCI signed the petition as well and donated 8 dollars for more people to view petition.... YOUR THE MAN LUKE hope it works out in your favor>>>>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WD_VR
2022-07-11 19:05:39 +0000 UTCI signed the Petition, VR and Luke Ross Vr it’s one of my entertaiments at home and those VR mods are my hobbie ,my pastime ,I bought some of those games because Luke Ross Vr Mods ,we need to stay united and keep signing those petitions ,hope we can get this resolved.
GioSim
2022-07-11 00:04:17 +0000 UTCWhich the mod isn't even doing, but yeah true and they should see the benefits they are having for free
Marc Reis
2022-07-10 17:06:16 +0000 UTCPetition signed, can't believe they are that blind that your mod actually made people by their Game they otherwise would not have sold and others enjoy their old games again in VR, which all is just good news to them...
Marc Reis
2022-07-10 17:04:56 +0000 UTCThe most ironic thing is that t2/r* have become stupid rich by selling games that mostly involve breaking the law…
Solomon Ginsberg
2022-07-10 14:36:19 +0000 UTCJust signed
Lucas Hüttenrauch
2022-07-10 13:57:53 +0000 UTCIm organizing a bunch of friends to hit them on their socials demanding they cut this bullsh!t out
Jamie Kuntz
2022-07-09 17:21:19 +0000 UTCMaybe try to work out a slice of the pie deal. I think many of us would pay a few extra bucks a month for a subscription to compensate. I would.
paul
2022-07-09 10:49:40 +0000 UTCLuke does not have received a C&D. Period. However, USA is weird and they could sue for "but he was aware of one".
an3k
2022-07-08 17:45:26 +0000 UTCSo R* didn't send you C&D, only to patreon ... so you can download the old mods elsewhere, until they send it C&D to you. If they send it again to the website, you move it again. Any lawyer here, what do you think ?
Cercata
2022-07-08 12:03:01 +0000 UTCYou may see this, you may not. But if you do, you may want to take this into consideration if you haven’t already. Now, I don’t know anything at all about any of this legal stuff, but I have an idea on why they may have came after you. Perhaps it’s because they think you’re using their game for profit, since the patreon to download the VR mods is $10 monthly. I don’t know, just a thought.
EV07
2022-07-08 11:49:13 +0000 UTCI only bought some games like RDR II because of Your mod! So Your VR mod helped them!
Thomas J
2022-07-08 11:44:41 +0000 UTCwe ALL know that a mod can't be blocked by DMCA unless contains parts of their code, and this is not the case, so what are they trying to achieve? i really don't get it. so they're going to send dmca claims to Nexus ? that's pathetic. They should thank you for your work as they got increased sales because of your vr mods, i legally own ALL the games you've modded (togheter with all games that got a vr mod also from other devs), and i'm sure i'm not alone.
Tiger Man
2022-07-08 10:55:45 +0000 UTCIll pay double just to stick it
Dark Cypher
2022-07-08 10:43:56 +0000 UTCGo dark web!
Dark Cypher
2022-07-08 10:43:04 +0000 UTCFuck them discount or not
Dark Cypher
2022-07-08 10:41:37 +0000 UTCYeah no kidding. I never even got to download the mod and I think I've been a member for like 6 months or more lol... Damnit take 2! I'm not buying your stuff anymore, not unless it's like 80% off
d0x360
2022-07-08 10:02:27 +0000 UTCI'm certainly considering it. Let's see how they deal with the situation going forward.
LukeRoss
2022-07-08 09:56:52 +0000 UTCLuke, consider leaving Patreon and finding another platform. No sense in letting Patreon earn money from your work when they obviously dont protect thier members enough.
Solomon Ginsberg
2022-07-08 09:50:43 +0000 UTCI'm ready for a shitszorm. Where to fire?
Lucas Hüttenrauch
2022-07-08 09:49:47 +0000 UTCBehind you all the way Luke, what you have been doing has been great for the VR community and we will support you always buddy
SharkySi
2022-07-08 08:26:01 +0000 UTCWithout Luke even recieving the DMCA the process is targeted towards Patreon and not Luke. This is good!
Solomon Ginsberg
2022-07-08 06:58:35 +0000 UTCPatreon not sending through the original DMCA is pretty sickening. If you did start your own site, you'd have my backing for sure
Ray Pitcher
2022-07-08 06:01:05 +0000 UTCStart your own website!!
Awake Servant
2022-07-08 05:29:31 +0000 UTCThese are dark days indeed :(
Max Martin
2022-07-08 05:01:29 +0000 UTCJust left thumbs down reviews for these games on Steam. Awful move to make vague threats on Take Two’s part.
TheGreatGarbanzo
2022-07-08 04:31:11 +0000 UTCLuke I'm sure there is a ton of people sending you messages but could you DM me on twitter? My name is the same as here and you can verify by the avatar image which is also the same.
d0x360
2022-07-08 03:32:59 +0000 UTCAs I've stated before, this is a legal battle. As such, you need to get a lawyer NOW, one that specializes in copyright law. Do not rely on Patreon as they will always look to their own corporate interests first, which will be any actions that remove or reduce their legal liability, regardless of how those actions impact you. Also, stop making statements without speaking to an attorney first, as anything you say can be used against you in a legal battle.
Veritan
2022-07-08 02:33:45 +0000 UTCEither way its a dixk move - and nothing will get resolved quickly by the looks of it, so the question is how can we establish a second channel for updated zip files for example and questions (something hosted online with password protect only for those who have it , log in and see content - something like that), would be also good to know how many of us actually play these 3 games, of which I think RD2 would be most popular, my guess.
Tomo
2022-07-08 02:06:36 +0000 UTCJust got the email about nuke and it hurts to see you have to go through this. At least we will the latest build for those games to save now. Hope this all gets worked out.
Black Aesop
2022-07-08 01:59:20 +0000 UTCAll you need to do is download the Realmod file v5.0.2 that is in the Dark Souls post below. That file has all of the mods in it.
william mumford
2022-07-08 01:37:38 +0000 UTC"To the best of my knowledge, it's impossible. Rockstar made sure of that. Steam would allow you to run the game with any older version (although it requires jumping through a few hoops and understanding the depot mechanism), but a few months ago, I'm not sure exactly when, the Rockstar launcher was modified to prevent you from ever running the game you bought unless every single file is exactly the version that it wants. That's for Story Mode too, not just for online multiplayer."- Luke That's actually not true... But even if it was getting a steam repo Version isn't hard and valve will NOT remove old builds for compatibility reasons for users
d0x360
2022-07-08 01:37:18 +0000 UTCThe mods aren't using files made by rockstar right? Meaning you aren't downloading the game, modifying a file the game came with and distributing that file right? Cause unless you are literally DISTRIBUTING files from their games then there isn't anything valid about these DMCA claims and like I said yesterday it opens them to you suing the ever loving shit out of them. Now... I need to find the mods because I've been a paying member for like 6+ months but never downloaded the damn mods which really sucks but I didn't have time to play so I figured I'd download the latest build and THIS IS NO LIE, I LITERALLY installed RDR2 and about 3 hours after it was finished you made the post and I had no idea what to download or do.. If any user here can assist me please send me an email or twitter DM. It's my username here for Twitter and Gmail. Please... & Thank you
d0x360
2022-07-08 01:33:51 +0000 UTCCan someone please copy all the instructions for the mods and store it somewhere safe, and ideally share it with the rest of the community? :)
Simplex
2022-07-08 01:21:51 +0000 UTCkeep your head down for a while. keep it down&wait.. we are with you mate.
Flowzen
2022-07-08 01:20:08 +0000 UTCim asure they are gonna be as good as the remasters,wich werent even close to the remaster mods they took down,but i doubt they working on VR versions,they just do not wanna see people have fun.
Cazanu
2022-07-08 00:38:45 +0000 UTCTo the best of my knowledge, it's impossible. Rockstar made sure of that. Steam would allow you to run the game with any older version (although it requires jumping through a few hoops and understanding the depot mechanism), but a few months ago, I'm not sure exactly when, the Rockstar launcher was modified to prevent you from ever running the game you bought unless every single file is exactly the version that it wants. That's for Story Mode too, not just for online multiplayer.
LukeRoss
2022-07-08 00:02:22 +0000 UTCIf you can't get any clarification from Take2 and Patreon won't provide the notice how can you even verify it's legit. Just reminded of the story that broke late June leading to Bungie filling suit against some you-tubers for submitting fake take down requests. I get you've got to do what you've got to do but someone, somewhere, must be able to provide something. Or at least you would hope they would.
97Skynet
2022-07-07 23:51:38 +0000 UTCGuys, you know how to stop RDR2 from updating and potentially breaking the mod? I have the STEAM version so it only allows me to select : Only update this game when I launch it. but I dont want it to EVER update - is that possible? how?? thanks
Tomo
2022-07-07 23:51:38 +0000 UTCI have rejoined Luke to show you my support.
Split Enz
2022-07-07 20:17:18 +0000 UTCI'm going back to RDR2 ... before they update the game and the MOD gets broken !!!!
Cercata
2022-07-07 16:05:41 +0000 UTCI would also be interested to know if the vorpx creator got the same.
Michal Hrabovcak
2022-07-07 15:08:26 +0000 UTCI reckon they got vr versions ready for psvr2 when it launches. Maybe thats the reason for a takedown.
Nicky Butler
2022-07-07 13:34:25 +0000 UTCThis is about control plain and simple. It's like @BillyBloggs said previously in this thread, "The gaming industry ignores and neglects PCVR to the point that it practically dies, then suddenly cries foul when someone meets an obvious and real market need. They've had SEVEN long years of consumer grade VR to do themselves what a single person has now repeatedly proved to be not only technically feasible but incredibly awesome, and not overly onerous (for companies with an entire studio at their disposal). " It makes them look bad, image is as important as stock market value at the level of Rockstar games. They can't have one guy having this much influence(control to them) over a community when their product is attached to it. Influencing the direction of the entire gaming industry forget it, that's their job. You can bet your ass a couple/few other major studios echoed this idea before it happened if they felt threatened too. Reminds me of what happened with gamestop. The fact that this has been such a positive and impactful explosion of awesomeness gets zero plays or interest in those cold boardrooms. they don't wanna hear it. It muffles the sound of that stock bell ringing. if there is awesomeness and growth to be had it will be us who decides how and when we get there is how they thinkj. Sad is what it is. Wrong move I think. Luke I am behind you brother all the way. You are the Modfather! Maybe we should send Luca Brasi over for a visit? hehe just kidding.
CryptVicious
2022-07-07 12:04:58 +0000 UTCMaybe it has sense ... maybe they are gonna release a VR version of their games, and it's worst than Luke's Mod, and they don't wanna be ashamed ...
Cercata
2022-07-07 11:07:33 +0000 UTCHi Luke, sent you a message of a similar thing that happened to us and the resolution.
Grant Bagwell
2022-07-07 10:57:29 +0000 UTCThere are several 3rd party software applications that directly or indirectly depend on 1st software to earn money. Vorpx and Voiceattack are two examples which have been around for ages. It makes no sense that Luke is getting this treatment and I hope he stands strong.
Solomon Ginsberg
2022-07-07 10:57:11 +0000 UTCThis is nonsense. I bought Horizon Zero Dawn, Cyberpunk, Mafia only because it has VR thanks to Luke. The game developers should realize that they have more sales because of the VR mod.
pampalini303
2022-07-07 10:30:06 +0000 UTCOmg, it does not make sense!
Eduard Roigé
2022-07-07 10:17:16 +0000 UTCWell this sucks. At least there are plenty of other games out there that can benefit from your magic. Keep the faith!!
Fearganainm
2022-07-07 09:55:40 +0000 UTCI wonder can we always go back to a previous version (Beta?) so the mods will always work. Or is there a way to stop the game from ever updating. I really am no expert in all thos so I'm asking all over the place to find out
Alan Rogers
2022-07-07 08:47:13 +0000 UTCFrick.. I literally just downloaded RDR2 a second time (already had it on Xbox) so I could try it with the mod. Dang.
Edward Hall
2022-07-07 08:28:32 +0000 UTCYeah, I'm trying to find out if there's a way to stop these games updating
Alan Rogers
2022-07-07 08:26:46 +0000 UTCOh no, just found out about this. I've been a Patreon for months now and have been loving my playthrough of GTAV in VR. I was looking forward to playing Red Dead 2 next. I'm not very computer savvy but is there a way to change my Steam settings so the games will not update and the mods continue to work as they do now?
Alan Rogers
2022-07-07 08:07:57 +0000 UTCYou'll not buy GTA6 because it will not release or it will be crap ... R* is not even capable now of making PS2 remasters. The people with talent has left, I wonder when Sam will leave too
Cercata
2022-07-07 07:47:22 +0000 UTCDon't listen to people who says it's illegal to have mods on patreon, they are just Jealous or Lecheers !!!!!! What you have done is perfectly legal, but big companies (not only videogames) bully normal people with the lawyers. Just remove them, but be proud of what you have done !!!!
Cercata
2022-07-07 07:38:51 +0000 UTCOn my Twitter: @strausszelnick I will not be buying GTA VI & I have been there since the first GTA. I am but one but when that one becomes many… you’ll regret the decisions you’ve made. Good bye @RockstarGames & @Take_TwoStudios VR will be your undoing, I will rejoice when you fall. @RtoVR
Steve Smith
2022-07-07 07:16:10 +0000 UTCThe gaming industry ignores and neglects PCVR to the point that it practically dies, then suddenly cries foul when someone meets an obvious and real market need. They've had SEVEN long years of consumer grade VR to do themselves what a single person has now repeatedly proved to be not only technically feasible but incredibly awesome, and not overly onerous (for companies with an entire studio at their disposal). Saying we're not doing it is fine. Stopping someone else from implementing a feature that the consumer is screaming out for (and that literally generates sales for them) is as stupid as it gets. Disappointed enough to boycott and disparage their future products I gotta say. Sorry to hear this has happened Luke.
Billy Bloggs
2022-07-07 07:02:51 +0000 UTCI bought 3 games because of your VR mods ,it’s their loss if anything happens,I am sorry this is happening,I hope gets resolved and we can continue enjoying your fantastic work.
GioSim
2022-07-07 07:00:23 +0000 UTCSo many plausible theories as to why this is happening, and yet without a response from Take 2 detailing their intent, it seems there is nothing to be done sans a legal challenge of some sort that LukeRoss has stated he has no intent of fighting. Some random thoughts: - Does anybody remember when the NFL was challenging all of the personal Fantasy Football Leagues, because the NFL said it has official and exclusive rights to the players? Does anybody know how that turned out? - Remember when game consoles used to have 3rd-party plug-in devices for cheat codes? I don't know if it happened to all of them, but I think I recalled to where some of those companies did eventually get shut down. The above are stated only because of the similarity in that a 3rd-party was making money off of an existing 1st-party platform. I would desperately like to believe in the theory that Take 2 is doing this to make way for a formal VR adaptation of GTA V and RDR2 (given the assumption that these are somewhat still popular, commercially viable games), but that the Mafia series is also included is pretty confusing in that I would not have even known those games were still 'desired' prior to the VR mod. I personally got nervous when it was stated LukeRoss is making enough cash off of the mods not to have to pursue other means of income generation. I'm assuming Take 2 could purely be taking their current course of action because someone is making sufficient cash based on the existence of their property. I more than understand in feeling justified to be compensated for work performed and wonder if a voluntary contribution by the masses might have been a alternative approach to consider, compared to a mandatory paywall (again, based on the premise of a 3rd-party app generating revenue from the existence of a 1st-party platform). I understand everything stated above could be a big old crock of bullcrap, but given my limited knowledge of many things, these are the impressions I'm left with. If this turns out to be a situation specific to Take 2, I can almost understand for no other reason than companies react differently. What frightens me is if this is only the first wave.
Collin Drennen
2022-07-07 06:06:47 +0000 UTCWow what a dick move. Hope this gets clarified. Don't know what to say. Good luck & god speed!
Hoshi82
2022-07-07 04:50:16 +0000 UTCnow i'm wondering if you're supporting [are a patreon of] N00MKRAD as well, i think i saw your name in the credits. then again, yours might be just a more common nickname than mine. if it's you: hi-five! if it's not you: hi-five as well. #randomsh*tpost
zer0int
2022-07-07 03:35:17 +0000 UTCIn the end, it all boils down to money. What's the difference between a big corpo and a single [legal] person? MONEY. If that single person can afford the same quality of lawyers... There is no difference. Well, at least if you're from a last remaining semi-true democracies; otherwise you'll have a random surprise of either chemo- or radiotoxic substances in your tea, but I am happily confident that won't be the issue here. So it all comes down to money. I say "GameStop", and I say: Consider yourself a "retail investor" and behold! Causing Havoc is possible! Now, Luke Ross isn't yet some Mewwon Rusk who can turn and entire market upside down with ONE SINGLE TWEET about rocket science (or cryptocurrencies), but... Derailed capitalism can now be further derailed by people like you and me, don't underestimate your powers. =)
zer0int
2022-07-07 03:21:32 +0000 UTCOh, that's right... I can just up my pledge! D'oh, thanks for the heads up - here's an extra euro for ya. Sorry it ain't more, but I can't count on a nuke finishing me off *before* I run into financial trouble myself here. Because, you know, Germany is the top of the world. Top sh*thole country with the highest electricity prices, thrice or four times as much as yours. Good thing I never bothered with trying to get a driver's license and then making a habit of being able to drive to places, or I'd be upping my pledge by 13 cents only instead.... Yay car(e)free life, point is: There's always some sh*t that could be so much worse - and alas, glad to see you made some progress with Patreon there, and delighted to see all the people chipping in for support here! Fingers crossed - and don't worry about replying, I can't even *read* all the comments that arrived as a response here - I'm just happy it seems people are awesome on here. GOD LUCK & GOOD SPEED! =)
zer0int
2022-07-07 02:57:28 +0000 UTCUnfortunate news for sure. Everyone of the games mentioned I already owned on console and bought again, expressly to use the VR mods. Amazing work. Guess I'm on to plan B now download a fresh non-updated copy to store with the latest version of mods and keep as a backup so it never gets updated. Its a pain loading the newest version to verify licensing and then going to off-line renaming folders and loading the non-updated but at least it should keep the VR format playable. Or at least always worked in past when I just didn't want to bother updating with all the mods installed and accidently breaking them all. GTA5 is particularly painful, spent lots of time not only in GTA 5 but also a fully modded, with VR, LSPDFR. How such a massive modding community such as LSPDFR, which very publicly has massive mods, has no issues but your VR specific ones do I'll never know. Maybe it's the VR specific focus with dipping their toes in VR with originally L.A. Noir case files and now GTA San Andreas. It was the GTA 5 VR mod that made me decide to move from PSVR to PCVR buying a gaming computer and Rift S. Only good news is there are still lots of awesome games, that are not rockstar, that could use the VR treatment.
97Skynet
2022-07-07 02:27:00 +0000 UTCI bought a couple of their games just for your mods as well. Never would have bought them otherwise. Honestly your are only helping them. Its quite possible that some higher up just simply was told that there is someone making VR support for their games and they didn't even bother to actually look at what you are doing. They just went with their immediate reaction to shut it down.
Brandon(Post Maester)
2022-07-07 01:49:54 +0000 UTCPerhaps we should demand steam refunds, Similarly the only reason I purchased a number of these games is specifically for VR. I am not interested in playing any of these games in pancake. Hope it resolves smoothly and equitably. It's ridiculous - the ground swell of interest and support in VR is a business opportunity for them. They should embrace it not repel their customer base.
Stuart
2022-07-07 01:37:35 +0000 UTCWell Resubbed to downloaded the updated zip file before it's gone... Or modified without some of the mods. This sucks. It's the only reason I play some of these titles. VR just puts the fun back into games for allot of us.
MJB
2022-07-07 01:34:32 +0000 UTCI have spent around 200£ or more to buy games that I would never buy .and all because you made a vr mod for them.and I have a feeling that there are thousands of us who have done so, so the companies have made a profit and yet they have not made any effort physically or financially and at the same time the sales must have increased after the announcement that their games are in vr.so I don't know what they are complaining about ...greed has no boundaries ...
Michal Hrabovcak
2022-07-07 01:09:58 +0000 UTCI hope Take2 comes to the realization that you have actually helped their sales in the growing VR community. The only reason I bought the mafia definitive edition game was because of your mod. I had already played the original game years ago when it first released and had no intention of buying the game again just to play it with the improved graphics. Your mod gave me the incentive I needed to buy it again. This is just really a silly move on their part. Even if they are planning on making VR versions of these games (which I doubt) your vr mods still would not affect the sales of those games either because we would still buy them because of the improvements they would be able to make due to having the source code. This just paints a bad reflection on them. Hopefully they will realize all of this and back off.
william mumford
2022-07-06 23:58:42 +0000 UTCWow man. I had bought all these games on console years back, and have actually bought them again for the sole purpose of being in these games in VR. Quite the stab in the back if we can't play them with your mod. ESPECIALLY IF WE'VE NOW BOUGHT THEIR GAME TWICE (not to mention them already having us buy GTAV however many times lol) We arent even paying for the mods. We are all chipping in to allow you the grace to bring us these amazing mods like GTA V (if I'm allowed to say that in public), for free,. like you already have. You have so many requests to continue your work after the free mods you had made, it only makes sense to allow you the grace. I really hope they don't mean to do this to all of us. I for one will continue to support you for what you do even if you have to port your mods to a free source outlet like github. If all the supporters leave, then obviously you can't bring out the mods, so nobody wins. This is devastating. We love you and your work man.
zer0
2022-07-06 23:28:54 +0000 UTCCan I lock out updates and keep using it, I just have gta v installed for this..
Rich_DCC
2022-07-06 23:27:50 +0000 UTCI also did buy the games again because of your mod. I hope you can resolve this with them. If not, please mod games from other companies and we will buy those games and support those companies. Free market: greedy companies loose money and those lawyers who draft such notices eventually get fired (on the average) because they are spending their time on the wrong investments.
dreamking
2022-07-06 23:09:23 +0000 UTCThanks for everything either way, and hopefully sanity will prevail.
David Gohman
2022-07-06 23:05:31 +0000 UTCPUNKS! time to set up something more private away from spying eyes :)
Tomo
2022-07-06 23:04:43 +0000 UTCI personally RE purchased all of their games in your name. I owned them already on other platforms. They aren't reading the room correctly.
Jarrod Matheson
2022-07-06 22:47:29 +0000 UTCI’m playing some of these games for the first time and in VR because of your work, it’s probably the most excited I’ve been about games in years. Hope this resolves easily and quickly in your favor!
J S
2022-07-06 22:40:34 +0000 UTCyeah im in the same boat..extra sales and extra playing metrics..has to be a legal fluke. if not- well, rockstar games wont be rockstar games for me anymore-as they were, for longer than a decade.. would be a loose/loose. dont be a bloody bully rockstar. take the momentum, dont crush it.. ;)
Flowzen
2022-07-06 22:30:53 +0000 UTCThat's horrible and backwards. You are the best. Being able to play these immersive games in such an immersive way has filled me with a wonder I havn't had since I was a child. Thanks for making it happen. No good deed goes unpunished.
bato
2022-07-06 22:24:44 +0000 UTCFor the record: I only recently just BOUGHT Red Dead Redemption 2 BECAUSE your VR mod was available to play it with. I took a stab at the game on a different platform and it wasn't for me a few years ago but your mod rekindled my interest at having another go and made them MORE money. Having been a content creator for a few years and having dealt with DMCA take-downs and nonsense as well, I have received that very same comment and know it doesn't change anything. But, for whatever it's worth. Thanks for all the hard work.
The Passion of the Nerd
2022-07-06 22:19:32 +0000 UTCIt does not make any sense. They must not understand what you are doing. You are helping them sell games. Unless they are looking to make VR versions of their own. And if they are they are, they are very late to the game.
paul
2022-07-06 22:08:58 +0000 UTChang in there, mate. i´m sure, it will be worked out. after all, we´re buying more of their copies, since you brilliantly modded it for us all. never would have bought the mafia trilogy, wouldnt you have modded it :) it´s free pr and extra sales. a no brainer to me! :) thanks for your work so far, and good fortune with this matter:) and btw: come on rockstar ;) im a fan of your games. dont be a bully.. :)
Flowzen
2022-07-06 21:57:42 +0000 UTCYep, totally agree. Mafia trilogy, Horizon: ZD, RDR2 (though I would have probably bought RDR2 regardless). And man, I am hoping for some Bioshock in the near future. This is nonsense on take-2's part.
Bob Douglass
2022-07-06 21:53:16 +0000 UTChttps://www.theverge.com/2022/7/6/23197169/luke-ross-vr-dmca-takedown-take-two-rockstar-patreon
Bob Douglass
2022-07-06 21:43:45 +0000 UTCWow is sad that the companies are being like that with you, but don't everything will be fine. Just keep yourself safe and if, sadly, you need to take down the mods, well so be it. Best of luck with everything man! :)
Okami
2022-07-06 21:40:42 +0000 UTCI just signed up to get the RD2 mod, where do i grab it before it's too late?
Q2C VR Gamer
2022-07-06 21:30:57 +0000 UTCWhat the heck, you probably brought many people such as myself back to the game. Well I guess when one person can do more than a team of 50 could, someone is bound to get bent shameful. Considering its doesn't even work online had no effect on them what so ever. and would also provide no advantage even if. crazy times. No wonder game industry is in freefall. or soon to be. also I bought RDR2 just to try the mod hear that Take 2?
Rich_DCC
2022-07-06 21:30:39 +0000 UTCHey Luke. How about doing a survey post on if we have bought games in response to your mod. It might be an interesting fact to include in discussion with take2. Show that you are not hurting them at all and are actually helping them along in making money. I know I for instance have bought Mafia Trilogy, Red Dead 2 and Dark souls. Games I had not purchased previously and had no real intention of doing so until you gave them VR.
Natasha Owens
2022-07-06 21:26:27 +0000 UTCThis is a 4 year old game, and the only reason it’s relevant again is because of your Mod. Free publicity, if you ask me. Either way, I’m sorry this happened, and I hope you’re able to sort it out. You do amazing work.
Dave K
2022-07-06 21:10:14 +0000 UTCOnly reason I bought RDR2 was to play the real VR mod
Harry Botterill
2022-07-06 21:07:54 +0000 UTCReally hope this all works out for you brother! We all love the work you do!
Black Aesop
2022-07-06 21:06:27 +0000 UTCI would not have bought RDR2 and GTAV if not for your mod. I'm sure im not alone in buying games because of you.
Sark
2022-07-06 20:43:39 +0000 UTC1. You need to contact a lawyer about this ASAP. Timing is CRITICAL when responding to anything legal. make an assumption that the countdown clock is always ticking down. 2. Does YOUR code, in ANY WAY, rely on code or processes unique to those games? namely did you "copy, adapt, or distribute" any code 3. the fact that your mod works with multiple games from multiple companies, actually might work to your advantage as it shows that you use a universal injection process that is not unique to the GAME, but relies on system resources to add a third party video driver. (tbf, i dont know how it works, just that its awesome, thats an example) 4. you might also point out that your game in no way overrides, modifies, or circumvents ANY protection that has been instituted by the game company. 5. Contact a Lawyer ASAP 6. You might consider NOT allowing the mods to be used online, but only for single player games 7. Take-Two over the last year or so has really been going after any modders, its possible they saw the words "mod" and "GTA" and a bot sent the request. 8. Having recieved a number of DMCA notices myself, they usually inclide the URL of the infringing materials so that you know exactly what they are refering to 9. https://kotaku.com/take-two-interactive-removes-more-gta-mods-using-dmca-s-1848053219 <----its an ongoing issue
macstrat
2022-07-06 20:38:14 +0000 UTCIn my opinion, if your mods contain nothing of their copyrighted works, then there is nothing to take down. Other than possibly the gtav & rdr2 images I see on the cover image.
VirtualmisterL
2022-07-06 20:33:19 +0000 UTCIt could be the logos and graphics of the game titels. They are surely copyrighted and trademarks. Your work is Your own personal copyrighted work. But i dont know the letter of them.
Thomas J
2022-07-06 20:22:45 +0000 UTCAnd yes it would probably be a good idea to take down all their logos and stuff down . There is a big chance this is what they are on about . They can do that . A company logo, or in this case game logo is an intellectual property of the Studio and they can ban anyone from using it .
Georgi Ivanov
2022-07-06 20:13:18 +0000 UTCThat is just ridiculous . Bunch of greedy *****.... If you are doing anything it is selling more of their product . I owned and played both red dead and GTA V on PS4 . And I bought these again for PC because of your modes . I'm sure I'm not the only one . I'm not a lawyer , but I can't see any legal ground for their claims . Imagine Mercedes suing Brabus for tuning their vehicles !?! Ridiculous! I really can't believe a big studio like Take Two can be so... patetic . And at the same time Bethesda is hiring Fallout moddeshoutrs ! We are all with you man . Keep us posted !!! If there is a way we can help, let us know .
Georgi Ivanov
2022-07-06 19:58:28 +0000 UTCThats crap hope you can come to some kind of comprimise with them. Its maybe because your mods are making u money, thats the only thing i can think of. Wonder if theyd say the same if the mods were free. Hope u can sort it good luck luke
Nicky Butler
2022-07-06 19:57:47 +0000 UTCHey hey - please give us the option of donating to lawyer you up.
TheGreatGarbanzo
2022-07-06 19:57:38 +0000 UTCSame here. Only bought RDR2 and the Mafia Trilogy because of Lukes mods. Luke should start a GoFundMe campaign for the legal battle. I'm sure that not only VR enthusiasts would be happy to support this.
Markus Müller
2022-07-06 19:53:54 +0000 UTCThis might actually be good news. Most of the time when modders get issued with a takedown its cos the dev/pub wants to release something themselves. This is a bummer for any chance for Bioshock VR thou :( Anyway i have signed up again :) *Grabs popcorn*
Marlec
2022-07-06 19:53:25 +0000 UTCI will continuously support you no matter where this issue is going. Just to clarify I will never have purchased or even played these games if it is not because of your mods! I am a pure VR game player! And we need modders like Luke!
Sophie
2022-07-06 19:44:24 +0000 UTCHey, I hope you find a good lawyer and fight this. If you ask I'll donate to the cause
Bob Douglass
2022-07-06 19:39:35 +0000 UTCThis is unbelievable! My situation is exactly as you describe. I have been holding off buying RDR2 for a while now but today I signed up to your Patreon and bought RDR2 on Steam ONLY because I could play it in VR. It is now 72 GB downloaded out of 119GB. If it wasn't for your hard work and skill in making the VR mod then I wouldn't be tempted to buy certain games. I hope you find a way through this, Luke, which doesn't mean you have to take the mod support for certain games away. Best wishes to you.
Vernon Nash
2022-07-06 19:37:51 +0000 UTCUse the free consultation with this lawyer, he has his own youtube channel, he's great and has a passion for video games and everything legal concerning video games https://hoeglaw.com/ One of his videos related to copyright, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiWHa04qugU
FlyingWaffle
2022-07-06 19:36:29 +0000 UTCPS5 exclusive... I'd bet my life on it if they were doing it because of an upcoming VR version.
d0x360
2022-07-06 19:35:53 +0000 UTCWhat copyrighted work? They must mean the game logos on your background; that's all I see. Take those down and you're good! (Only half-kidding)
BOB HOPE
2022-07-06 19:35:48 +0000 UTCAs long as you don't host any files that come with the game itself then they can't do a damn thing and that's a false DMCA claim which means you could sue for a large sum per take down notice technically.
d0x360
2022-07-06 19:34:55 +0000 UTC> I refuse to believe that is what Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. wants, because that would be an extremely anti-customer and anti-gamer move on their part. I believe it's what they want. And I believe it's illegal, but they know a modder can't stand against their law firm. This is very SAD. I hope at least this means they are gonna release VR versions of their games I'll change my review for those games to negative, but latter, so Steam doesn't get it as review bombing.
Cercata
2022-07-06 19:33:31 +0000 UTCI just upped my patreon to $20. Support Luke! Increase your donations if you are able.
BOB HOPE
2022-07-06 19:19:44 +0000 UTCReach out to Leonard French. He's a copyright attorney who specializes in video games. http://leonardjfrench.com/contact/ He can represent you or refer you to someone else in the legal field for representation. He'll probably also be interested in covering your story on his YouTube channel Lawful Masses as it's directly in his field of expertise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHypmOp8AdM
Veritan
2022-07-06 19:14:41 +0000 UTCMy guess is that, Gta Sa Vr is getting a trailer soon. And when people see VR gta they will look to you in the time being. Once SA comes out, it probably won't be as great as what you have accomplished with gta 5 considering the age of GTA SA. I'm not sure where you are based but in Australia we have something called "Justice of the peace" or Ombudsman. You can always seek free legal advice through them and they will even go as far as represent you in court, depending on the matter. Don't give up is all I'm saying. Good luck Luke.
Awake Servant
2022-07-06 19:14:27 +0000 UTCKeep us in the loop. I feel for you. Hmm.. Is this to say that, until further notice, every future zipped Luke Ross mod will have all files related to any Take-Two Interactive games removed or are you simply going to remove all images, videos and other on screen copyrighted material from Patreon? ( I was about to buy some of these games to play with your mod but wondering if it's going to be broken with your next update)
Brett Erskine
2022-07-06 19:12:44 +0000 UTCPS: Thanks for justifying my insane all-nighter gaming spree I'm gonna enter now, and that is gonna leave me depend on intoxicating doses of caffeine to get minimum work done. I'm not sure anybody else will be understanding, but at least *I* won't feel bad for neglecting everything else for the sake of gaming... lol. There's uncertainty about what I wanna do with this evening gone, alea iacta est - and now excuse me, I gotta indulge in a bout of serious gaming addiction disorder and finish a game. Carpe noooocteeeeeeeeem !!!!!!!!11
zer0int
2022-07-06 19:12:27 +0000 UTCThe problem is the sentence "Makes money" what's funny there are other GTAV modes that require a patreon subscription. I am sure if there was a news publish title soandso makes $$$ creating GTAV modes, samething will happen
Omran Al-sharif
2022-07-06 19:11:27 +0000 UTCI bet you it is because of this news https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/how-this-vr-modder-makes-2420000-a-month/ar-AAZeeLu
Omran Al-sharif
2022-07-06 19:08:31 +0000 UTC1. Consider a lawyer, no matter what. Even if you don't want to be involved in a legal battle / a lawsuit - still consult a lawyer. Disclaimer: I have no idea about US laws other than multiple occasions of thinking "Holy f*ck that's insane! That wouldn't be possible in my country!" - but even in the case of dramatically different laws in this case, I still think "consult a lawyer, don't say anything, or one wrong word will be used against you" is justified. Disclosure #2: I am painfully experienced with legal battles, albeit limited to 1. deliberate traffic accidents for the sake of fraud und 2. especially life-dominating ever-lasting war against a "Stalinist Landlord" (big corpo) trying everything they can to bully people with old rental contracts (= paying a quarter of current market price) for appartments. In the latter case, I let absolutely ALL documents that ever arrive be handled by my lawyer, with very satisfying results so far. Albeit it did take me to court twice so far, a lot of "minor bullsh*t" was solved just by my lawyer knowing his sh*t and opening a can of whoop-ass on them, followed by retracting of [irrelevant details] - and that was it. 2. I'd imagine you probably have enough cash to afford a lawyer, but if it pains you to pay for such a dickmove: Consider opening a slightly pricier tier so people can chip in for lawyer payments (that way, it was never your money you have received for your work, and its a tactic that is GREAT for psychohygiene / mental health preservation in any case of sh*tshow this might end up being). 3. I also agree with others here - it's "probably" media attention that alerted the asswipes to this; use your contacts in media (even the German one with the misunderstandings!) and tell them about the "update" (again, I recommend doing this AFTER discussing with your trusted lawyer, but in case you wouldn't ever get a lawyer involved, I'd opt for definitely doing this. And when / if something about the case gets published, please do make sure to let us know, because social media bombing actually works. 4. In case you get a lawyer, maybe also ask him what your "customers" can do on their side. Personally, if this happens, I am gonna "demand my money back" from Steam because it's actually true that I only got RDR2 because of your VR mod. That's gonna be unsuccessful, because I've been playing it for damn long now - but it will still open a can of whoopass on Steam if everybody does it (you can just buy another copy if you want to continue playing pancake, you know - but they're not gonna respond positively if you had it for more than two weeks so you'll keep the game most likely, it will just cause a stir at another big corpo as might be an additional (albeit not to be used stand-alone) leverage point. X. Finally: Sorry to hear you're going through this shit, I hope you don't feel the amount of frustration and injustice that I am feeling on your behalf "by proxy" about that crap. I'm gonna closely monitor this Patreon and will be ready to be an annoying grain of sand in that reckless corpo crushing bullsh*t machine.
zer0int
2022-07-06 18:58:53 +0000 UTCOnly reason i can think of them wanting to do this is because of releasing a VR version for themselves, since VR is on the rise these days.
Peter Docter
2022-07-06 18:56:53 +0000 UTCI know you never did it for the money. Just downloaded and archived everything. Shouldn't be that hard to figure out the config myself if they update the games where it no longer works. Either way thank you so much for the mod, I started subscribing when you announced you were doing Cyberpunk, and had a blast with that, as well as RDR2 and GTAV.
Joebro
2022-07-06 18:39:45 +0000 UTCAs you said nothing you are doing is a violation, you could go on and never mention rdr 2 or gta v again but keep the functionality there. At the end of the day the mod is 1 file i drag and drop on any (supported) game folder? Just a work around and ofcourse not ideal, i hope this is cleared up as ive seen take two ruin others. The five m team once had private investigators turn up at their doors. Your mod isnt costing them money however… perhaps this is them showing their hand and they will be doing some form of official vr. (Or san andreas vr is soon)
Luigi Gio Schembri
2022-07-06 18:31:55 +0000 UTCI cant give you specific legal advice, but from what my friend says who works in law (not copyright law so take as a general feedback) thinks you probably will lose this. But it is clearly a massive dick move and I would like to call their marketing/IP legal team a bunch of c**ts.
Andrew McEvoy
2022-07-06 18:26:35 +0000 UTCThis may refer to any artwork that you used in your patreon posts? Or externally using art work.
WIG
2022-07-06 18:21:29 +0000 UTCIt's a pity but they do this to modders frequently. It's always because of business interests, they know your mod doesn't infringe on their copyright and that they have no legal basis, they just also know that they're a big corp and you're a single person
Lewigi
2022-07-06 18:12:54 +0000 UTCSeeing how they did just that when they "remastered" GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas, I think it is certainly a possibility. That said, seeing how massively they failed to deliver on the remaster, I have no faith that they'd do it reasonably well and they are absolutely bullies for trying to take down the mods that Luke has made. It's purely a money grab for them; they do not care about decency.
Aaron R
2022-07-06 18:09:33 +0000 UTCThis is complete bullshit ! I really feel like this is another money grab power flex by a big company shitting all over talented mod creators because they can’t be bothered making their own games in VR. Thanks for keeping us in the loop Luke ! You bet your ass I’ll be emailing take 2 about this being absolute nonsense and a power trip. Keep fighting the good fight 😤🧐
Mike Perhinski
2022-07-06 18:08:12 +0000 UTCI was so happy to see The Verge piece and as a recurring subscriber, I value the work and time you put in. It's a shame this may have been the push for them...looking into this to see if I can provide any relevant information for you
3ree
2022-07-06 18:07:52 +0000 UTCWonder if they are going to mod these games to VR themselves and don’t want the competition…?
Tyler Johnson
2022-07-06 18:03:25 +0000 UTCYour mod is the reason I bought RDR2 and i wouldn't have done it without VR. Keep your head up no matter how it turns out, as you stated there is no copyrighted software in your mod zip files. Even if those game mods need to be taken down there are plenty of other great games waiting for a Luke Ross to do his magic :)
Sascha
2022-07-06 18:03:03 +0000 UTCThis is a dark day for modding community, another one after they purged all mods modernising old GTA games to modern standard in preparation for release of the travesty and slap to the face that was their own remaster. This is vile practice and should be condemned. Modding is at the heart of gaming.
Shiber Kivan
2022-07-06 18:00:41 +0000 UTCThe only true way tah change anything is through money. Tha only reason take two takin down mods got stopped is cause their stock fuckin crashed. These people only speak money. So if this gets enough ahttention. Only then. Will anything change at all
KENNYOUT3
2022-07-06 17:56:16 +0000 UTCWow, your mod is literally the ONLY reason I bought MDE1/2/3. You are making them money and they pull this shit on you?! We need to plaster this all over social media. They need to be knocked down a goddamn peg or ten.
Bob Bob Bob
2022-07-06 17:53:02 +0000 UTCI can almost guarantee you that they most likely will
KENNYOUT3
2022-07-06 17:47:07 +0000 UTCTrue story!
David Schell
2022-07-06 17:45:45 +0000 UTCThat's lame. I'll be so pissed if they force you to do that.
J B
2022-07-06 17:44:01 +0000 UTCThey jus wannah try tah fuck u over cause one man is doing work that their studio of over 1000 fuckers can't do
KENNYOUT3
2022-07-06 17:43:40 +0000 UTC