LEE KNOW Mujin Service
Added 2024-07-17 11:05:35 +0000 UTCI used to pray for days like this!!
Getting to hear Lk's vocals in detail was eye opening and made me understand his voice a little bit more. It's a shame he hasn't had a chance to really develop his vocals the same way he has his dancing cos very similar to J's mujin service, he also has the right ingredients working together at times but then losing it as he belts higher.
Luckily his belts STILL sound good! They just need more support and cord closure to not lose excess air which probably dries his voice out even more.
I'm super proud of him for coming on here and like I said, I WISH he was more into R&B because it would smooth out parts of his voice that he leaves more open for his love of a rock sound.
Looking forward to more of his singing!!
Enjoy!
Comments
Hahah atleast you know how to use paragraphs thank GOD!! Also yes I think he's yet to find the confidence to grow and put his all into his vocals.
Koko3op
2024-12-21 02:36:10 +0000 UTCThe way I would sit and dissect vocal techniques with you alll DAYYYY. I hear EVERYTHING you're saying. I'm not a professional by any means, but I've been in choir(s) for the past fifteen years, so listening to kpop singers has been so interesting these past five years as I've been into it. Tangent incoming? I think it's true that companies have a heavier focus in different performance areas. SM vocals, Hybe dance/stage presence, JYP maybe a bit of balance in everything? I think it can be heavily group-dependent as well. What I really wish is that I could watch vocal practices. I want to see how these vocal coaches work with idols, what they focus on, if there's foundational lessons or they just go into whatever the idol's current abilities are and expand. I'd be curious to see those processes, but I'm always a fan of behind the scenes content like that. Love watching them record in the booth. As for Minho, he needs to hear what my choir teacher in high school told me. For more support, pretend you're squeezing a dime between your buttcheeks. (As out of pocket as it was, it worked lmao.) I think he really only recently has grown into some confidence in his singing which is soo nice to see because he has such a beautiful voice. With that recent growth in vocals, though, is still a nervousness around it. I think he's afraid to kind of /go there/ if you know what I mean? Staying in his comfort zone in a way. I see the potential and the capability in him to truly let that vibrato loose, but I also agree - the styles of songs they sing don't lean into that vocal development... but I would love if JYP vocal coaches invested the time anyway. Anyway... lmao. Wall of text, sorry. Lee Know is everything, ty for sharing this. <3
Tay
2024-12-21 02:16:11 +0000 UTCHey, oh that's weird. Yes it's annoying that Patreon doesn't allow you to lock in quality. I think the best thing would be to look at how to better your internet connection because it would be very time consuming for me to upload my videos elsewhere and to keep track of that being secure when there's not much demand for it. Also most of the things I react to get blocked on YouTube which would be the easier platform for me to use.
Koko3op
2024-07-26 08:37:52 +0000 UTChi I always pop in after a straykids comeback for your commentary, it's always interesting to me. However, is there any way you could upload your reactions as secret links to youtube or use another video streaming host? I only ask this because the videos you react to often have subtitles and because of the unreliable video quality of patreon I can't read what they say half of the time. (I don't think it's my connection, it happens everywhere I go) There are currently no options to lock in video quality on patreon afaik so using third party websites (could just be a drive link or sth) would make this content more accessible.
Mirjam K
2024-07-25 17:14:05 +0000 UTCUhh, the cry is 100% not JYPE, him, Lino, Han and Seungmin have a vocal coach, the same one who coached DO from EXO. The cry is a rock thing, it's not a bad thing, people really need to stop trying to say it is. "Technique" doesn't mean you sound good, and having a cry, or a style, sure as hell isn't a bad thing. The most BELOVED artists in the WORLD have that cry, it's emotion, it's texture. It's beautiful. Technique can very easily mean mechanical, or cold. All for what? To create skill where there wasn't talent in many, or to take talent and ensure a "healthy voice" in the rest. Well fun fact... that "damage" everyone is always speaking of, isn't even what most of you think it is. Real damage is, for example, nodes. But the only downside to having a rock voice like Lino, or Han... is that MAYBE 30 years down the road they will have more gravel, or fry, or scratch in their voice. In NO WAY has the WORLD ever seen that as a bad thing, Stevie Nick's is literally FAMOUS for hers. So what orher reason is there to critique them on their cry? Or their placement? Because i assure you, both the cry and vibrato hold the SAME purpose, both are stylistic, but only one of them gets hate by kpop fans whist the other one gets praised. Funny, because again, the world as a whole doesn't agree. That's why the cry is SO FAMOUS in rock music. The most popular genre IN THE WORLD. The misinformation and misconceptions in kpop is staggering quite honestly. Because there was NOTHING weak about Lino in this performance, and the difference between his performance and the clip that was shown in the video, is thay LINO poured emotion into his and drew it out into the next phrase... and the young man in the clip, his was much shorter, didn't have any more support or power behind it than Linos, and was completely without ANY effort. That includes putting any feeling into it. A lack of emotional effort, why is that complimented? I mean, I truly want to know, has kpop gotten to the point where we are championing robotic cloned vocals now? Because that could have been anyone so long as that anyone had no connection to the song. (Speaking of, it's incredibly easy to tell the members apart. They have very distinct voices. The only times they sound like one another is if that is the purpose. They do it because the fans demand line distribution fairness, but unfortunately the song would aound awfu if they used their natural voice in their part simply because 8 people is a lot of voice change when you have very different voices. Specially in 3 minutes. So vocal mimicking allows for a more blended sound, whilst keeping the fans from revolting.) Point is, I firmly believe that all of.... This... is probably why Stray Kids are blowing up the way they are. Because other kpop artists are all being forced into two boxs now. The first being "you suck" disband" and the second being "perfect, healthy, emotionless, *all other descriptions likely formed via misused terminology and misinformation* yay!" Lol now those are who we champion as the best, yet they're also everything the world already thinks they are!... and that's not a great thing. Cut to "Why aren't those who deserve to have the attention ignored, while the talentless ones have all the popularity"... hmm, maybe because kpop fans are starting to think in an opposite way as the rest of the world. Just look at the popular music in the kpop scene. Easy listening fluffy bubble gum pop. Look at what the world wants... Stray Kids. Across all aspects, they average out as the 3rd most popular kpop group in the world after BTS and Black Pink, and the gap between them and 4th is larger than the gap between them and Back Pink. According to Luminosity or however it's spelled, kworb.net, and several other data publications. Fact is, the groups kpop fans critique are in fact the ones with talent AND Emotion AND who have stopped trying to please eveyone. The artists yall approve of, they complied to the point that yeah, lots of people like them in Korea, but that's as far as they will go. Meanwhile, the ones that didn't comply, who sing like SKZ. Go world wide. I think it's also important to mention that thwie placement, is RAVED about by the best. There's a couple, they are vocal coaches, I cant remember their channel name but they are pretty big so you just have to look up "vocal coach couple x Stray Kids First Take" and then watch them be OVER THE MOON in regard to their placement. Calling them GREAT vocalists, and saying that is THE BEST placement for recording artists who are also live performers. They aren't FORCING anything, they are just SINGING without restraints. They just go out there and let it happen. And that is true talent. That's why their first takes ARE SO GOOD. And that's why they don't have to use a backtrack for their concerts or festivals. Instead they just use a fullness track which has any and all primary vocals and rapping completely stripped away. With just one word here and there for them to regain their breath supply. Because that placement, that technique, it allows you to sound good on a recording because it cuts through, and also live because it carries. And you can do it ALL DAY. Just sing. It results in a A LOT less mistakes, and that results in a lot higher % of performances that have no issues. Which is why the comapany can allow the idols to truly sing live. SM may have highly trained vocalists who sound amazing in studio. But the label knows damn well they can't actually let most of them go out there and perform without a loud backtrack AT LEAST, and in fact will full lipsync when it comes to any event that is in front of anyone other than stans. Meanwhile, the few artists they have who do sing live, because they are capable of some pretty things in the recording studio, their songs are as such and it just so hapoens... Those are the artists that i see videos about saying "Can they really sing through?" Or "what haopened?" Yeah, everyone is allowed bad performance days. But when the "most talented company" also had the "lest likely to perform live idols" and still be the label from which i see the most bad performance controversies. That tells me that those coaches are right. I swear, this is all the fault of those crazy channels who don't know anything except some vocabulary words they learned from another person who doesn't know anything and who only made a "ranking kpop vocals" as a way to insult someone they don't like who sounds JUST FINE whilst preaching about someone they do like who sounds like any other average vocalist in kpop but "THEY ARE A+... the other guy is an F!" It's pure insanity, and I'm sorry, but the world doesn't agree with that. Also, what about Han? You guys do know that his specific service was one of the few featured in a big article, right? Yeah, talking about how he PERFECTLY hit all the notes in that big song he sang. You know, the one with the "JYPE cries" 🙄 Yeah, have you ever heard the original? He NAILED it! Moreover, it's was a stylistic choice. Just like Linos was, he was singing it with purpose, emotion. Han, I have watched that man sing perfect high notes without the cry on many occasions. Heck, you brought up Masked Singer, so you must have watched Hans before. Whatever the case, I am SHOCKED to see any of these takes on their performances. Truly. It's like all of you found eachother, because I sure as heck haven't seen such opinions anywhere else except from people that i alredy expected would hate it because they HATE SKZ.. I mean, is that not a good sign that maybe what you are saying is perhaps flawed? When you are in the vast minority, and that minority is 99% people who hate everything said artist does anyways? Is that not a sign to maybe reconsider the criteria you judge by? Fact is that, somehow, many still have yet to grasp that Lino wasn't even A LITTLE BIT trained at JYPE... which was LITERALLY discussed IN THIS EPISODE. That is crazy to me. Or that in Hans episode, how he SPECIALLY talks about being homeschooled ALL HIS LIFE by a father who used to be the main vocalist of a ROCK BAND, and that he ONLY self taught when it came to his vocals. Add to that the fact that JYPE, during their survival show, ONLY THEN learned that Han even COULD sing, and Siad "But, you are a rapper. That's what you trained as." Just like Lino focused on dance... all of which, one would have though, would equal up to the OPPOSITE of such a take. The jist of what I'm trying to say is simple... 1- The company has nothing to do with their vocals. 2- Han was self-taught now coached, Lino was never taught now coached. IN was Trot taught, not coached.... all by Seungmin (And EXOs D.Os vocal coach) 3- Linos technical training has been SPECTACULAR and provided by the same coach as the one that IN, Seungmin, and now even Han are taught by. 4- A coach who happens to be, by far, one of the MOST RESPECTED coaches in all of Korea. And who happens to thinks SO HIGHLY of these guys that he took on 4 of them so far, and is literally over the moon proud of them to the point he was once seen crying whilst watching them perform. 5- He obviously he seeks to retain individuality and emotion. Not wipe it out. 6- A cry, is NO DIFFERENT than a vibrato, it's still a stylistic choice used to close out a note at the end of a phrase. The fact that anyone can see shaking in a vocal to be better than emotion in a vocal is beyond me. As long as both are intentional, there is NOTHING wrong with it. And theirs...are intentional. 7- A perfectly "healthy" vocal lacks depth and emotion. And an "unhealthy" vocal, at the level thay they tap into it, isn't going to hurt them in the least bit. And everyone (well... almost, apparently) is BLOWM AWAY with them. From my experience, far more than that those same people are when they see a technical person sing. 8- Seems to me there's 2 kinds of people. The majority who just love music and think their performances are beyond amazing. And the minority who prefer systematic vocals and at best seem to be a bit hypocritical when it comes to what they have about and what they shun. Probably because none of it actually matters. Because they sound amazing, period.... For I.N those judges were blown away by him. They said he sounded even better without the instrumental. They were NOT critiquing his voice at any point. You simply twisted their intentions. Han was praised by the industry itself, "the rapper who hit all the notes perfectly" when it came to his LM sevice. And Lino... That man barred his soul and this video is the FIRST time I have seen ANYTHING short of "OMG THAT WAS UNBELIEVABLE!" And most of those were just people who watch all the episodes and don't even know anything about SKZ except what they learned from LMS. Of course, all that is based is taste and opinion is perfectly ok, whilst I surely wouldn't agree, I of course don't expect everyone to have the same views. But when you are basing them off of misinformation, that's the problem.
Willow
2024-07-21 07:09:02 +0000 UTCHahaha omg I love that!!
Koko3op
2024-07-20 08:51:13 +0000 UTCThis is really what i NEED ! " lee know in lee mujin + your reaction ". I swear i will repeat this reaction several times, like the reaction for the maniac seoul concert . I've watched it like 8 times before and will repeat it again for sure! haha.
N_j
2024-07-20 03:26:01 +0000 UTCHahah no literally me and Mujin are on top form these days!! Yeah the obsession with dance is so annoying honestly
Koko3op
2024-07-18 08:41:05 +0000 UTCOoooo yes I hadn't even considered JYP vocal training which there definitely is a link there!
Koko3op
2024-07-18 08:23:38 +0000 UTCThank you for your insight as always. I.N was on masked singer recently and one of the panel member guessed it was JYPE idol because of the way he was ending his notes. That sort of cry that I noticed skz do a lot of too, just like Lee Know in these songs. It always makes me wonder how much better (technically) they all could be with some SM style vocal training because they are already skilled and have great tones. Yes it works for skz because of their style of music. I just get frustrated with JYPE because I feel like all their vocalist could be even better with a different style of vocal training.
juliee
2024-07-18 02:45:43 +0000 UTCAt this point, you share so many similar opinions with Mujin that I'm sure you'll be the same person in the future hahahahahaha. First of all, wtf with how good LK looks. Second, I think it was very revealing that he mentioned that from the beginning he was recommended to practice dancing more than singing, and this is something that happens in many K-pop groups. Companies are so obsessed with creating distinct roles for their members that they waste a lot of their potential. But I'm very happy to see how the kids have been developing their vocal skills despite the passage of time. The way LK and Mujin sounded together in the duet, omg, chef's kiss. And well, the kids have planned a special album for this year where each one will have a solo song again. Let's hope to see more of LK, and hopefully, it'll be something R&B because I'm also dying to see him sing like that. Now I'll be praying to see Channie with Mujin in the future. Thanks for the reaction ❤️.
Rodríguez Lara Scarlin Selinet
2024-07-17 18:31:09 +0000 UTCI was soooo excited when they announced that he was going on! i love moments when skz can show their vocal variety outside of the usual title tracks people hear. we’re way overdue for a chan mujin service as well.
makayla
2024-07-17 15:47:42 +0000 UTCBut also omg yes to trying stray kids variety again
Neen
2024-07-17 13:09:29 +0000 UTCAs soon as this episode came out, I instantly couldn't wait to watch your reaction to it
Neen
2024-07-17 13:06:07 +0000 UTCYESSS
Koko3op
2024-07-17 12:53:36 +0000 UTCHis personality just shined here haha so witty!
Koko3op
2024-07-17 12:53:29 +0000 UTCThis is exactly what we need to see in Kpop. You don't have to sing like Mariah to be considered a good artist, what I love to see is growth. Lee Know always had a decent voice but was never known for singing, it was mainly dancing so seeing him take initiative to improve and take on more vocal roles within the group makes me giddy. The vocal growth is commendable.
Kpopiana
2024-07-17 12:33:31 +0000 UTCMujin trying to tease Minho is the funniest thing. He doesn't know that Minho is always the biggest manic in the room, lmao.
Michaela Rosková
2024-07-17 11:58:43 +0000 UTCNow all I need is Changbin on Lee Mujin Service and I'll be the happiest little potato! Thank you for the reaction!
Michaela Rosková
2024-07-17 11:31:31 +0000 UTChahahahahahahaha omg!! I'm honoured
Koko3op
2024-07-17 11:08:38 +0000 UTCi pray for times like this Lee Know Mujin Service and you reacting. I am not kidding, I'll punch Lunch in work now and will devour this ASAP
vanne
2024-07-17 11:07:46 +0000 UTC
