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Added 2024-09-30 18:49:04 +0000 UTCAnother week in hell: floods, bombings, local corruption, municipal degeneration, you name it, we've got it
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I’m with Tarence on the jam band hypothesis. I’ve never known a bigger Phish fan than my high school music teacher. He was later fired for sleeping with his teenage babysitter
linden.lime
2025-03-08 15:26:46 +0000 UTCLearning that Dylan eats crackers to purposefully fuck up his voice has only reinforced my bigoted, reflexive annoyance with him.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-06 12:16:31 +0000 UTCTarence are you saying Stines was actually assigned cop at birth?
𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐚 𝐏𝐨𝐬𝐭
2024-10-05 00:37:44 +0000 UTCYou fellas seen this story? Seems like the Trillbilly wheel house: https://www.npr.org/2024/09/30/nx-s1-5133462/hurricane-helene-quartz-microchips-solar-panels-spruce-pine
synthmage
2024-10-04 14:35:32 +0000 UTCThe program Tom was referring to is a FEMA property acquisition program, where the local government uses FEMA funds to buy property from private owners at "fair market value" (whatever that means). The idea is to get people out of hazard-prone areas. Once purchased, the local government demolishes the (usually damaged) property and prohibits any construction on that land. Here's a news article about it: https://www.lpm.org/investigate/2023-12-25/floodplain-buyouts-in-eastern-kentucky-are-the-fastest-in-the-programs-history As Tarence mentioned, this constricts the supply of housing in that area. People are forced to move to other cities/areas, where the cost of housing might be higher. If I'm understanding Tom correctly, his sister had to move to a higher-cost housing market, where she had to take out a mortgage to buy a new house, as the payout from FEMA wouldn't cover the total cost (assuming you were able to save all the payout money for this purpose). This puts people in debt again. A different, but maybe more common, pattern of vultures swooping in after a disaster is probably best seen in post-Katrina NOLA. Much of the recovery process was really the consolidation of the real estate market, leading to rising housing costs and expelling poor Black residents from areas that were to be redeveloped. There is now an established pattern of real estate developers buying up disaster-affected property on the cheap (often using public money/subsidies), re-developing those properties (again often using public money), and then selling/renting those properties for a higher price. Public expenditure, private profit. Can't get a sweeter deal.
hatin' in da holler
2024-10-04 14:17:08 +0000 UTC"the two women share little political agreements save for their shared distaste for Trump".(sic) This is going to be the ticket from now until eternity. It allows for any incoherency, and is (bafflingly) enough for journalists; no follow-up question needed. It allows everyone to get off easily - treating Trump as the equivalent of a comet, something coming from the outside, that "just happened" - while allowing opportunistic and craven new alliances. Also, Kamala is such a profoundly bad person. Just an empty, shameless demon. It's like she fell out of Supernatural season 14, and it's just tiresome to try to shape some kind of argument as to why she sucks. It's like, you either have eyes and a working memory, or you don't. And if you're still asking why, then nevermind. She's fine. Awesome, in fact. The only thing that stops me from childishly enjoying her eating shit is that it defaults to Trump, and in case he gets assassinated (statistically likely, as of late) it's JD Vance. This is what you're left with when you make sure that nobody who is even remotely recognizable as a fully realized and coherent person is in the running, in the kind of election that demands that you hyper-focus on individuals.
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-10-04 13:33:37 +0000 UTCAs a bottom feeder grocery stocker understand you have a voice, we as me? Im nothing to these people in power, I go to sleep knowing an I am a nail. They see me as the same and any recognition shows the nail is being hammered in as a policy point but that's it. Panic shopping has already affected the store I work, with Helene and the port strike having suburbanites at the gates.
Holden Daniels
2024-10-03 23:07:49 +0000 UTCTom going for the Joe Dirt reference when he's really just describing a classic protection racket
Some Guy
2024-10-03 21:59:06 +0000 UTCYeah I really hope when Tarence says "not vote" he means not voting for one of the two parties / voting third party. I voted PSL in 2020 and will be voting for the socialist on the ballot again this year.
Andrew Dunn
2024-10-03 20:20:16 +0000 UTCYears back before I had heard of you guys, I saw an absolutely hysterical trillbilly tweet hating on phish. As a jam band enthusiast who hates phish, I assumed you guys were a jam band podcast I immediately subscribed. At first I was confused why you guys were talking so much about ky politics and not the Grateful Dead but quickly became trillpilled and have been a listener ever since. I feel like you guys riffing on jam bands this morning brought me back full circle. I was in my car belly laughing. Thanks boys for being a bright light in this otherwise shitty existence.
Emily L
2024-10-03 18:50:29 +0000 UTCI’m just down the hill in SC and have always felt like we were in a pretty decent natural disaster bubble. We didn’t get the flooding like NC did thankfully, but holy shit we got wrecked by the wind. Stay safe up there! We are in Asheville for some reason or another nearly every week so it feels like a second home. I saw a quote - “Asheville isn’t the place, it’s the people.” And THAT is why it will be ok eventually. Hang in there, neighbor.
Carrie Wright
2024-10-03 14:48:56 +0000 UTCCan we just form a worker's version of the Black Hand? I think that's how we get shit spicy and poppin. We can even have a logo that looks like a shitty tattoo (tbh they were wayyyy ahead of their time with their logo design)
not jd3
2024-10-03 01:48:18 +0000 UTCTruly, your thoughts even at their darkest help us feel sane. Yeah yeah, I know, that doesn't fix a fucking thing but it does help me. It is important. You guy's inspired me to read Capital cover to cover. To use my ability to use ear buds at my job to read thousands of pages of history and theory. We lost our home in the 2008 crisis. Became homeless, rented a place that lead poisoned our baby, became homeless again. We found you (and other comrades) in that time, this unending nightmare of wondering if our child would be ok and if were even capable of providing him with a safe place for him to try to recover. In that hell, you all helped us articulate our condition in its material reality by sharing your own analysis, struggles, and your growth. Comrades (Tanya included), this was such a gift to me and my partner! You have helped us (and I'm sure so many others on here) so much. Take some comfort in that. Systemically though, it's like you say, it's that motherfucking dialectic! We got numbers, we got hell world. historically those kinds of contradictions produce the seeds of revolutionary change even if the cost is much higher than any of us can bear. Anywho, Much love to you all! And when you feel alone, know you got thousands of weirdo para-social homies that are thinking about you and your families!
Jennifer Hammerhead
2024-10-02 22:01:49 +0000 UTCI haven’t listened to this episode yet but I wanted to say THANK YOU for your guys’ perspective in the last bonus episode. I feel like I’m going fucking crazy when I listen to people talk about how voting is harm reduction. Like, harm reduction for who exactly???? Anyway, I know you all are probably not reading comments still but your podcast has made this election season somewhat bearable for me 🙏
Bee
2024-10-02 18:47:28 +0000 UTCTo ‘sit the election out’ doesn’t sent message to the Dems. They don’t give 2 shits if people DONT vote. Non-Voters are the ‘invisibles’. What the REALLY don’t want, what they invest more time to knew-cap is any votes going to 3rd Party. The Green Party being the only Left Party of the Working Class with systems in place, and they may be fringe and cringe but they are the only way to really stick it to the Dems and at least BUILD a Party that represents the Left. 💚✊🏿✊🏾✊🏼🇺🇸💚
MYK’L ROCKS
2024-10-02 18:03:47 +0000 UTCSorry to be that guy. Can someone write down that VERY important fact re how the FEMA scam plays out? The thing Tom was talking about that affected his sister? That whole thing re vultures swooping in after disasters and locking people into loans? I want to articulate it to friends in Asheville who are still spinning post flood before they get swooped in on. Thanks! ✊🏼✊🏾✊🏿💚
MYK’L ROCKS
2024-10-02 17:47:15 +0000 UTCSame here! Also listening from mn. They give me a lot of hope about the future. We can win socialism in America.
Michael
2024-10-02 15:28:56 +0000 UTCLowell George from Little Feat was murdered with a hot shot by his manager/deal Gary Himmelfarb, aka Dr. Dread
Orion St. Peter
2024-10-02 15:12:09 +0000 UTC📠📠📠
Wyatt Zelle
2024-10-02 14:24:05 +0000 UTCTarence is a chomper ✍️
Tom's Trips Official
2024-10-02 13:01:43 +0000 UTCWhen we had seriously destructive flooding in Maine over the new year, I sat in on all the webinars about FEMA funding and resources to rebuild the coast and the number one thing they reiterated was that FEMA funds can only be used to rebuild the infrastructure to the state it was before the flooding and storm surge...aka right back into the vulnerable state that precipitated the destruction in the first place. It's like their number one concern is to prevent the possibility that this money might—MIGHT—leave folks better than it found them. What is the fucking point?
Trixie
2024-10-02 12:34:54 +0000 UTClol sturgill’s jams went so long I took a lap around rupp, found a hot dog and a pina colada, and finally he finished the jam I left 😂 guess I’m a pop girly too
Candace H
2024-10-02 04:24:58 +0000 UTCwell, personally I agree with the dislike of jam bands including DMB, but I learned long ago there's no accounting for taste
mexicanhalloween .
2024-10-02 00:05:53 +0000 UTCI drove into Asheville for Wi-Fi to download this episode. Thanks boys. Needed a pick me up.
Andrew Ratcliffe
2024-10-02 00:05:40 +0000 UTCHahahaha brilliant
Cody Woodyard
2024-10-01 23:26:24 +0000 UTCDon’t American union workers build armored bulldozers for a certain liberal democracy in the Middle East? Or is that not a UAW shop in Peoria?
Luke S
2024-10-01 23:21:01 +0000 UTCPeople didn't just use to say wnc was insulated from climate change. The CIS put all of their climate data at my alma mater unc asheville because even they thought it was the safest place
Taz
2024-10-01 21:56:59 +0000 UTCDoes anyone know any good places to donate money to help those in Ashville?
Scrub_Club_is_Life
2024-10-01 21:47:57 +0000 UTCHell yeah
Meatcoin
2024-10-01 18:29:14 +0000 UTCFormer Mormon here, they believe that the indigenous people of North and South America are descendants of the sons of Lehi, who left Jerusalem shortly before it was invaded, and are the directly descended from the tribe of Manasseh.
Clayne Zollinger III
2024-10-01 18:17:47 +0000 UTCEscaping Asheville today after my parents brought me some gas! My heart hurts so much for you guys. I heard about whitesburg a few years ago, I never thought that I was going to end up in the same situation. Thanks for being consistent boys, appreciate your perspective. You guys sharing your story about what you went through. Help Steel my resolve so much And temper my expectations from what to expect from outside help.
Robert Parkinson
2024-10-01 17:22:51 +0000 UTCI don’t know how Momtok is going to survive Israel invading Salt Lake City
Rebecca Zeller
2024-10-01 15:49:27 +0000 UTCDriving to Asheville NC right now to bring supplies to folks. Thanks for having an episode waiting for me
Noah Shue
2024-10-01 14:03:28 +0000 UTCgotta say this podcast truly provides a balm for my brain--my second job is a home-aid gig in my neighborhood in phl. not a bad gig (I read to blind special needs man) but the sisters who own the home (it's their bro I read to) were very put off when I said the rehab of Cheney and Bush gross and ill never go along with it. they're libs and old so the house has (dusty) anti Bush, anti Iraq War, "no war for oil" stickers and decor. like, they're living in an necropolis of their ideology. gold fish brains. how am I the weird one by saying Cheney is far worse than trump? tho, like tom said, maybe trumps in his nba jam "heating up" phase, but he didn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan. the hoops people jump through, or the compartmentalization of history, is truly baffling. I'm in lefty west philly too. all the punks are gone and its been replaced by coconut pills and Obama 2.0 revelry (white upper class penn people). I refuse to go along with it. if I tell them I'm not voting (in PA) they may draw and quarter me...or make me eat granola to death.
carl
2024-10-01 13:06:06 +0000 UTCBuddy of mine fell asleep at that sturgill show at the Rupp
cimara
2024-10-01 12:44:29 +0000 UTCY'all are strumming my pain with this one, as a climate refugee. Lost our home to hurricane Michael, planned to move to Eastern Tennessee because a one bedroom in Panama City was suddenly $1100/month, and surely Western NC/Eastern Tennessee is the best place to avoid natural disasters! Ended up moving to Raleigh because that's what Publix needed
Andrew Dunn
2024-10-01 12:44:22 +0000 UTCFrom the first few minutes, this is exactly why I subscribe to the Patreon, fellas
Brodie Kelly (BK)
2024-10-01 12:37:20 +0000 UTCDmb is only acceptable jam band
SF
2024-10-01 12:20:06 +0000 UTCSounds like hating jambands is for people who are bad at fucking
Peter Flynn
2024-10-01 11:41:14 +0000 UTCAcknowledge what? There’s nothing wrong, it’s probably just your imagination
William
2024-10-01 11:38:14 +0000 UTCI just discovered him in a YouTube comment on this song that mentions Weirmar hyperinflation leading to fascism aka economic bluegrass which lead me to "Watch it Fall". https://youtu.be/gzodB0Sp6ZI?si=AtDgFjkW25HFH-Mn
Lucy McGillicuddy
2024-10-01 10:45:20 +0000 UTCThe 2 party system has been the lesser of 2 evils since at least the 70's. Kamala VS. Trump is the personification of this. With the left cut out of politics then labor is the only game in town for actual positive change for workers. Being a lifelong union worker from a union house in one of the last union strongholds in America labor sadly is wedded to "business" unionism. The USW, UAW, Teamsters, the trades are locked into the system. If labor doesn't take into account ALL workers and work together in true solidarity we are fucked. How to do that? No idea..... Also jam music does suck
Michael Wadman
2024-10-01 10:24:14 +0000 UTClet me get this straight, you don't like jam bands, but you do like DMB, incredible that you can thread that needle
mexicanhalloween .
2024-10-01 05:25:37 +0000 UTCAwful take Tarence there’s a climax in jams
Alex
2024-10-01 05:18:21 +0000 UTCWe’re all still out here Terence, just watching the world burn. Planning OPs
Robert
2024-10-01 04:02:22 +0000 UTCI live and work in Atlanta. On my commute this morning the smog was so thick you could barely see the silhouette of the skyline, and when I got out of my car at work it just smelled like a straight up pool outside. The city didn’t publicly acknowledge it until like 1 in the afternoon
Mike
2024-10-01 01:45:09 +0000 UTCI’m Piss Pisstofferson and you’re listening to The Awfully Hot Coffee Potcast
billy
2024-10-01 01:35:17 +0000 UTCGood ep glad to hear a little revolutionary optimism.
Sai
2024-10-01 01:30:06 +0000 UTCYep
David Green
2024-10-01 01:22:08 +0000 UTC19 cats in a studio apartment!!!
Michelle
2024-10-01 01:20:30 +0000 UTCIs the Black Reconstruction book Tarence keeps referring to by Du Bois?
Cody Caldwell
2024-10-01 01:12:36 +0000 UTCExcellent episode and a winning one for anybody playing Trillbillies bingo: -Black Reconstruction reference -Tom wishes brutal death on his enemies -“Aaron, you were going to say something-“ “go ahead, Tarence” -sidebar on music -Biblical apocrypha -Tarence in the rubber room once again
Ashley Naftule
2024-10-01 00:38:50 +0000 UTCThe mayoral race wasn’t close at all, esp coming out of Covid. Record low turn out and rank choice voting was poorly explained to NYers. The NY Post endorsing him should’ve been a red flag. If you want a good laugh, google who his republican opponent was.
Isaiah Charles
2024-10-01 00:36:15 +0000 UTC“I’m so lonely I wonder if i am alive” is a t-ray banger.
Tyler Scherer
2024-09-30 23:48:31 +0000 UTCSaw Sturgill Saturday night in Detroit
Pat Horne
2024-09-30 23:33:07 +0000 UTCThe apostle ligma; he’s sugondese
William
2024-09-30 23:24:40 +0000 UTCI misremembered their ambition, lol. Here’s the article. Seven Countries in Five Years: in https://www.salon.com/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/
Jessica S
2024-09-30 23:14:26 +0000 UTC(Btw, not exalting Wesley Clark, he was simply the person who publicized the conversation he had. I’ll try to find the link or the quote)
Jessica S
2024-09-30 23:12:44 +0000 UTCI don’t understand how anyone could be like “we should listen to Dick Cheney/if only we’d listened to Dick Cheney”. He’s literally the reason countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq, and whatever those other countries on the list (Wesley Clark recalled in an interview from back then, seeing a memo on someone’s desk talking about 5 countries in 7 years…should be easy enough to google) all of which culminates in Iran… I don’t know, ending? Regime changing? It doesn’t matter what happens to it - I think destabilization is the end, not just the means. I cannot understand how people can forget how villainous Cheney is.
Jessica S
2024-09-30 23:10:12 +0000 UTC♥️♥️♥️
Trillbilly Worker's Party
2024-09-30 23:08:09 +0000 UTC♥️♥️♥️
Trillbilly Worker's Party
2024-09-30 23:08:01 +0000 UTCI honestly refrain from using the term “evil” when referring to politician and their ilk, b/c it quickly becomes meaningless - plus the majority of them as just stupid fuck ups with too much power. Cheney? He’s evil. Pragmatically, calculatingly evil. He’s the evil for which I measure labeling anyone as such. Blech.
Jessica S
2024-09-30 23:03:31 +0000 UTCOr Beastie Boys 1996 jam album The In Sound From Way Out!
Evan
2024-09-30 22:30:15 +0000 UTCHe must've forgot about The Mars Volta and stuff
Evan
2024-09-30 22:28:28 +0000 UTCI used to work at the bureau of fiscal service, which is the federal treasury arm of public debt collection, absolutely insane job. That was like 2014. They were still offsetting and garnishing wages for SBA debts that people thought they were getting FEMA money for during Katrina. Each federal branch had their own schemes for wrapping ppl in debt bondage. USDA was especially evil where parents take out loans in their kids name (when they’re underage because it’s allowed) and then never pay, then 15 years later the kid is being garnished and offset. Insane.
TheRedHollow
2024-09-30 22:09:57 +0000 UTCTrying to recall which apostle was trapped in the cornfield from Wild Wild West.
LOAF
2024-09-30 21:50:52 +0000 UTCI love jam bands personally (yo la tengo, built to spill, etc)
Betsy
2024-09-30 21:48:36 +0000 UTCI’m seeing Sturgill tomorrow and I CANNOT WAIT. I’m glad you guys got a chance to see him and hopefully forget about the world for a minute. Also, I am into Tom handing down his apocryphal deaths.
Michelle
2024-09-30 21:41:20 +0000 UTCI would agree, I found them through a lot of direct action and protests they organized in Minnesota. I was extremely pleasantly surprised by them.
AL
2024-09-30 21:21:48 +0000 UTCHell yeah im in the same area and seeing this ep get posted cheered me up some as well, thanks as always yall
The True Horror
2024-09-30 20:49:12 +0000 UTC"There's no way a single person would use all these prepped meals. There's literally hundreds of them in that trailer. He's saying he's going to hand them out, and that doesn't make a lick of sense." "Something's fishy about it, and I'd be damned if my spidy senses aren't tingling. That's it, time for some civil forfeiture on this sick fuck."
Jesper Ohlsson
2024-09-30 20:31:06 +0000 UTCAs someone who jammed in a band in his friends basement as a teenager i agree none of us were having sex
Adam Edwards
2024-09-30 20:26:53 +0000 UTCOn Day 4 with no power or water here on the SC/NC border but managed to find signal enough at the fire station to listen today. Thank y’all for keeping a girl’s spirits up. ♥️
Norma Louise
2024-09-30 20:24:56 +0000 UTCCame for the slop trough. Stayed for the all you can eat crow.
Adam Holley
2024-09-30 19:54:39 +0000 UTCPlease, if you have not watch Megalopolis, then do it immediately! I have loved your previous movie discussions and would be interested in you taking a crack at this piece.
Mason
2024-09-30 19:47:19 +0000 UTCIf I come across someone with a shit stupid take like “dick cheney is okay” I mark them as a complete and utter dumbass and move on. There’s no value in trying to understand how a dung beetle made its way to the turd
William
2024-09-30 19:21:59 +0000 UTCYall are my favorite jam band
Violet
2024-09-30 19:16:09 +0000 UTCJust listened to the Spotify “one for the road” episode and wanted to highlight an organization in response to Terrance’s comments about a need for an alternative political vision— check out frso.org. There are chapters all over the country and members are boots on the ground in people’s struggles everywhere.
Michael
2024-09-30 19:12:15 +0000 UTCProbably more of a circle jerk. But everyone shares the cookie at the end.
Gorrozolla aka AntiLinguist
2024-09-30 19:06:58 +0000 UTCIf Music is analogous to Sex, Jam Band music is equivalent to Masturbation.
Zach
2024-09-30 19:03:16 +0000 UTCI love you guys so much
McMiller
2024-09-30 18:56:32 +0000 UTCBut he’s not a jam band
Jared Bauer
2024-09-30 18:52:18 +0000 UTCSmh listen to Billy strings new album
Jared Bauer
2024-09-30 18:51:44 +0000 UTC
