Supernatural - 5x22 "Swan Song" Rewatch
Added 2024-09-11 06:01:16 +0000 UTC
Comments
I'm a couple of weeks late but I wanted to mention that the reason they didn't kill Chuck at the end was because The CW didn't let them. So they had to come up with an alternative way to defeat him. They previously wanted to kill him at the end of season 11 but the network stepped in and said they couldn't. It took me a long time to find the source for this but here it is: https://www.tumblr.com/lets-steal-an-archive/145787999549/justanotheridijiton-me-at-the-cw-spnphx
Klaara
2024-10-01 18:01:16 +0000 UTC(Though now I can find only references to Kripke saying fans would have hated his original and it was going to be a "Horror show". I swear I've heard Kripke say in his own words that Sam & Dean would have both ended in hell. Can anyone back me up with a reference to this? Thanks!)
Lefwyn
2024-09-15 23:27:04 +0000 UTCSeeing Sam at the end seems a little out of place... but it changes the fan theorizing over hellatus from "how will we get Sam out?" to "why and how is Sam back? Is he Lucifer?" -- which was maybe a more engaging way to be thinking over the break... It would have been cool though, to be with Dean in the surprise when Sam just shows up in 6.1. Or maybe it would have been infuriating, I'm not sure. :) Kripke has said that his original original intention was to have Sam & Dean fight as Lucifer and Michael, but for them both to end the series by falling into Hell. Dark.
Lefwyn
2024-09-15 23:08:58 +0000 UTCI know the first time I watched Swan Song, I was not a huge fan of the Chuck narration and flashbacks to Baby’s history. I think I just wanted to stay involved in the excitement of the current story. The tone of those bits were so different from the norm. Afterwards, it makes more sense as you realize that Baby is what snaps Sam into gaining control and I cherish every minute of it.
AdoptDontShopPets
2024-09-13 15:49:25 +0000 UTC😭😭😭
AdoptDontShopPets
2024-09-13 15:37:49 +0000 UTCLove your points here about Sam and Dean's roles. I am not sure if Kripke totally had those intentions in mind with Chuck in this episode when written because even though he knew who Chuck was, he was also a Kripke insert. He mostly just seems self-satisfied here to me. Mind you, Kripke is a bit twisted, so maybe he did see Chuck as sending Dean to his death. Either way, I like your read on this, and it gels with what comes later.
Sare
2024-09-12 02:07:47 +0000 UTCWhen I first watched this episode I already knew the confession scene and that line from Dean after Cas vanishes at the end here "you suck at goodbyes" hit different.
BexFangirl
2024-09-11 20:41:28 +0000 UTCDean lowkey got the idea in his head with the "are you god, cas?" XD
BexFangirl
2024-09-11 20:21:22 +0000 UTCAh Shelley, you're nearly up to the same point as Rob and Rich's podcast - they interviewed Steve Boyum the director a couple of weeks ago and he was talking about Lucifer/Sam talking through the mirror - how mirrors in a scene always get directors excited to see what they can do. (It's revisited by Dean trying to resist Michael in s14 of course) I was so much in agreement when you said 'I wish Chuck would shut the fuck up' - I find that voiceover so smug and grating now! Damn Chuck makes me angry. I resent this episode mainly because of him!
Jay
2024-09-11 19:59:03 +0000 UTComg i adore this finale, it is my second favorite season finale over all (jusst slightly behind Sacrifice in season 8). The acting and writing and build up of 5 seasons is just absolutely on point. Sam’s arc from season 1 to this is just phenomenal. Especially because Eric Kripke considered season 1-5 to be Sam’s story primarily, to have the focus on Sam so much and his fight was beautifully done, and have Dean be exactly what Sam needed- trusting, supportive and loving, even as a “monster”, so that Sam could do what he needed to do. Not sidelined, but exactly in the spot Dean belongs, having his brother’s back. One thing i do appreciate on a rewatch is, understanding Chuck’s goal (to have a brother kill a brother) changes that entire interaction between Dean and Chuck. Chuck isnt telling Dean where Sam is to help Sam… he is sending Dean there so that Sam/Lucifer will kill Dean. He fully intends for Lucifer to use Sam’s hands to kill Dean in that graveyard, but in a sweet poetic twist of fate, and irony, his set up for Dean being killed against Baby is where we see Sam get the strength to save his brother. It’s a testament to Sam being a rebellious little shit lol, but also to Chuck’s hubris, that he underestimates the boys bond, and strength. Because he, like Becky, only sees the boys as characters, and props, and not as the humans and people that they are Also i have to say, thank you and props to pronouncing my name properly on the first try!! it is E-Lease-e-ah, and honestly i almost never hear people outside of my immediate family pronounce it properly, so massive props lol
Elisia
2024-09-11 19:12:12 +0000 UTC
