Supernatural - 5x4 "The End" Rewatch
Added 2024-07-28 04:37:47 +0000 UTC
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Dean gets the Mark of Cain in season 9 and then "dies" in the finale, and becomes a Demon for season 10, where they work to finally get rid of the Mark. I suspect Kripke had already been planning on Chuck being God at this point.
Michele
2024-08-07 04:03:29 +0000 UTCAt min 43.28, Rob: my question is it's - it's a selfish question because it's a question I get asked all the time - that I want to know how to answer - and that is, at what point did you know that Chuck was going to be God - was it not until the end of season five, was it at the beginning ... Eric: I will tell you - Rob: just tell me what to say Eric: When we originally cast you, we did think of you as the - as a prophet right, like - the, the thing that you were, was the thing that we cast you as. We didn't know like - oh, is he really god - and like we, we knew that he was, the notion of like, you know as we were grabbing these religious ideas and revising them the idea of like a prophet of the Lord was hilarious, and especially one that was like, is such a lovable, you know neurotic scumbag is, as Chuck was. ... But then I think the question started coming up more and more about like well - where's God in all this. And we're like well, God left no one knows where God is. And then, as we sort of probably was towards the beginning of season five they were like you know we're gonna have to answer the God question - does he come in, that is Morgan Freeman available, like how do we do this ... And I forget who said it, someone's like - well I mean what if Chuck is God - and, and like it makes sense and we like went back and we looked over all the - and that makes sense, makes perfect sense, like he's down there ... like honestly the only one we tripped on - So it started season five - the short answer - but when we went back it was the one - remember when Dean like flashed forward into the apocalypse ... and, and Chuck is there and it's the toilet paper line, you know, like the hilarious hours of debate we had because we're like - what he's God and he's hanging out - you know - like hoarding toilet paper like no one could get their heads around it ... and ... and there was a lot of debate over like - could he be God because of that one scene - and, and then finally I was like - the whole things of, the whole thing is like a hallucination and in his mind anyway - Rob: right that's what I always thought EK: So yeah, it was it was basically - you were a prophet and then, you were so good, you got promoted. Rob: ... that's amazing - well that, that helps a lot, yeah that's basically - that's pretty much what I say, thank you.
rose mnor
2024-08-01 05:48:47 +0000 UTCI totally forgot to post on the genesis of Chuck as God that Eric Kripke had included in his podcast with SPNthenandnow: Spotlight on Eric Kripke, silly me ... it was this episode concerning Chuck that they were tripping over, on making him the God in this universe ... because of over the 'hoarding the toilet paper' line, lol ... So the transcribed answer is in the reply link: (start at min 43.28). https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spotlight-on-eric-kripke/id1605385289?i=1000646839769
rose mnor
2024-08-01 05:46:05 +0000 UTCi adore this episode so much! our first look at Samifer (Jared murdered that entire scene lol but especially where he mentions God creating humans), Dean facing where this road is taking him, and coming to realize that being apart is actually worse for them than being together. Yeah, the Winchesters are codependant as hell, but to paraphrase Famine, they are the exception that proves the rule. Their relationship is what lets them save the world, and its when they are apart that its in danger or one of them makes a massive mistake. Jared and Jensen just absolutely crushed it. I remember Jensen saying he was so proud of this episode and worked so hard to make it come out properly, while Jared was off on vacation in Hawaii, and then Jared just swoops in for one day, films that Lucifer scene and utterly steals the show. Jensen (lovingly and jokingly) called him a massive asshole for stealing his thunder
Elisia
2024-07-28 17:44:18 +0000 UTCAugust 1st, 2014 was during the Demon Dean Summer. He was actually more dark than in this episode.
Jeffrey Mlinek
2024-07-28 16:36:23 +0000 UTCNo the anti-christ is not a nephilim, a nephilim is half angel half human while the anti-christ is half demon half human
Hasnaa
2024-07-28 15:10:52 +0000 UTCAnd about Cas in this episode, Ben said: Rich: One of the things that was interesting and this before the question that's written down here, but I wondered if Castiel becomes human, how does he not revert back to being Jimmy? Ben: He becomes mortal. So he's still Castiel just without angel path. Yeah, like he's essentially this hybrid of a human substrate whose soul technically is in some kind of liminal space, right? Or in the back of the brain that essentially that freakish thing, Castiel has been a freak his whole existence and like a kind of a broken angel in some way that was intended. And it's like there's a sort of a hair in the gate that was put there for some reason. And it seems like the hair in the gate is like a foiling mechanism for the corrupt ambitions of all of these the archangels and stuff. Like the one who keeps messing it up and keeps coming back with this stubbornness that defies a story. It really like the here's a miracle that we are permitted to do this. We just kept bringing Cas back and everybody was like, cool, we like Cas. No one was like, how does this work? Why is this allowed? Right? It actually breaks the coherence of life and death. But to me, it makes a certain sense in the same way that moving forward through 15 seasons, one could say it just passes beyond credibility or something. But to me, it passes into an epic like Gilgamesh [a mythical warrior king], like it passes into a thing where of course you can throw Sam or Dean 30 feet into a concrete pillar. And that's just like, I hated that. Like, because they have lapsed into demigod then, God would through all of these crazy adventures, trials and purifications and going to hell numerous times and dying and coming back. And if it is a process that they went through of becoming and anyway, so what how do we start? There was a hippie Cas. I liked that too. Well, I think the fact that's an interesting way of talking about it that it's not that he's human, it's that he's mortal. That's a difference. Yeah. And he was that was his complaint, which was fun, you know, like his sprained foot or whatever, or like just having a cold or something like. But to me, I think an angel trapped in a human, there would be a good chance that he would be pre-enlightened or be a pretty hippie Cas. And mostly what he's talking about is oneness. /end
rose mnor
2024-07-28 12:07:45 +0000 UTCBen Edlund on the SPNThenandNow podcast for this episode said that he intentionally wrote Cas as having a deep commitment to Dean. Rob: So, this may be the first episode we get really get a sense of how deep Castiel's commitment is to Dean. Do you recall discussing that in the writer's room? Did that come out about organically? Ben : I think, yeah. I mean, at the beginning of the episode, he's on the phone. He's going to wait. Yeah. No, at that point, they had been through quite a bit. Yeah. And so, we had gone through a lot. Like, it was already sort of developing that from the moment that Cas raised Dean and kind of just moments that sort of happened in Season 4, that's something that just felt like it was there [he's then going on clarifying about a Chinese cultural tradition] ... like the notion of saving someone's life and in saving someone's life, you are responsible for that person's life from that point forward ... and that Cas had that initial relationship. And then they really did develop just a bond [that] I enjoyed ... early in season six, there was a scene ... Cas has been away for a while. Sam has been trying to summon him and no dice, but then Dean, like for like a year or something. And then Dean says, all right, fine, Cas, are you here? And Cas appears immediately. He's like, Sam's all upset. And then like, Cas goes 'Dean and I do share a deeper bond.' We just like [to just] say it, which I enjoy. /end Then on X, when a fan touched upon the bonus feature about the changed script of Cas to Dean in the vehicle, he responded (paraphrasing): that the lines he wrote about Dean and Castiel were changed because the subtext was too obvious and had to be buried - the lines were changed not due to agenda but because so much of what Cas was saying explicitly had been shown already in the scene work and made his declaration an overstatement (per rules of good dialogue). There’s much to be said regarding Destiel. I entertain its possibility but am not absolute; it lives on the periphery of the story I was involved in telling — I cannot speak for show past season 8. but I appreciate the intensity of the feelings here and wish to show only respect. source link: https://x.com/KrisHay89/status/1780696009829712373
rose mnor
2024-07-28 11:47:25 +0000 UTCI had seen the confession scene a couple of times when I first watched this and the "don't ever change" here immediately made me tink of "you changed me Dean"
BexFangirl
2024-07-28 10:21:32 +0000 UTC
