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Mark Hughes: Does Red Bull's B-team have the quicker car? [early access]

You might have seen a suggestion during the Chinese GP weekend from Max Verstappen that his under-pressure Red Bull team-mate Liam Lawson would be going quicker if he had a Racing Bull at his disposal.

Before it runs on the site later this week, here's Mark Hughes's take on that claim.

The form of Liam Lawson since joining the senior Red Bull Formula 1 team and the pace of the cars from the junior Racing Bull team he's left paint an anomalous picture.

As Lawson qualified the Red Bull a solid last in Shanghai, both Racing Bulls made it into Q3, with the rookie Isack Hadjar qualifying seventh, 0.284 seconds slower than Max Verstappen's Red Bull.

A simplistic conclusion might be that the Racing Bull is actually a faster car than the latest Red Bull and that the RB21 is only ahead at all because of the respective skills of Verstappen and the junior team drivers Hadjar and Yuki Tsunoda.

Supporting evidence to this argument would be Lawson's form in the junior team cars alongside Tsunoda. In his five races in 2023, including sprint qualifying, Lawson qualified within an average of 0.14s of Tsunoda. In his six rounds last year he was 0.12s ahead of Yuki (discounting Mexico where they were in different-spec cars and Brazilian GP qualifying where it was wet).

They were operating at a very similar level but Tsunoda had much more F1 experience, and this was part of Red Bull's justification for choosing Lawson over Tsunoda for the seat alongside Verstappen.

Yet, once in the Red Bull here is Lawson suddenly qualifying 0.9s slower than Tsunoda's Racing Bull (and a full second slower than Hadjar). Ergo, the Racing Bull is a faster car, right?

It isn't quite so simple. For Lawson the Racing Bull would almost certainly be faster. For Verstappen it probably would be slower. With both in Racing Bulls, Verstappen for sure would still be faster than Lawson but not by anything like the margin as in the Red Bull.

The Red Bull has a higher limit - it has visibly more downforce through the faster corners - but it's not one which is accessible to Lawson. The higher downforce is more evident in a race than in qualifying when new tyres tend to minimise the difference. In race conditions, Verstappen's car is in a different league, roughly halfway between a McLaren and a Racing Bull in terms of tyre degradation. There will be some driver input into that tyre-use equation but the car is always the dominant factor.

But over a qualifying lap, the Red Bull requires a driver of Verstappen's level to access its limits. He has the feel required to progressively load up the front without quite upsetting the rear. Lawson in the same car is not finding that point, but just going barrelling in and then suffering big, confidence-sapping snaps of oversteer. Different car traits will mean Verstappen's off-the-scale talent manifests in different ways and that's how this car shows it.

By comparison, the Racing Bull has a much more compliant, driveable balance. Watching it through the fast Turns 9-10 in Melbourne it had nowhere near the grip into Turn 9 of the Red Bull but both drivers were able to hustle it into Turn 10, Tsunoda and Hadjar manhandling their way around its occasionally slow-to-react front end.

It looked like it was never going to bite them and its limits over a lap were therefore very accessible. But that downforce shortfall would ensure its limits would be ever-further away from the Red Bull's the more laps they did.

So, if Tsunoda or Hadjar was in the Red Bull, would they fare any better than Lawson?

That would be totally down to how sensitively they could feel the car and perhaps Tsunoda's greater experience would ensure he'd find more of its potential. But the basic problem remains that Verstappen's talent and preferences have taken the senior team in a direction with the car that makes it incredibly difficult for his team-mates.

Mark Hughes: Does Red Bull's B-team have the quicker car? [early access]

Comments

I get the feeling that sims aren't reflecting unpredictability very accurately during the ground effect era. Seems to be a characteristic of these regulations - sims couldn't replicate porpoising - now I wonder whether they don't allow drivers to experience the snaps and load shifts? Speaking as someone who knows very little, though! Others here will know more...

TJ Preston

The best way they could test this out is for the substitution to be Max to Racing Bulls and Yuki alongside Liam in the Red Bull. LFG!

Bill Adkins

That's a super interesting question, The Race should do some reporting on that. Could it be that since it's a sim and the real consequences of a misjudgment is next to nothing. The sim drivers can have, maybe not the skill of Max but at least the confidence?

Jens Boivie

No. No they don’t.

Harvey Smith

I wonder if it would make sense to have max do a FP1 session on the racing bulls to see how slower he would be. Tdunoda was about 0.3s slower, based on last year's data, Lawson could be 0.14s faster than Tdunoda, and one would think that Verstappen would possibly add a tenth or two. It sounds like we'd then be in RBR territory. If so I wonder if it would make sense to develop a less peaky car.

Alex

I still don't understand how the Red Bull sim drivers fit into all of this. Do they have a similar style to Max (or at least can replicate it) ? When they're helping to develop the setup over the weekend, how does that work?

Bobby Dazzler


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