BBV10s S11 E5: Ferrari's finish-line farce at Indy '02 (early access)
Added 2025-01-23 00:00:05 +0000 UTCThe most memorable moments from the 2002 F1 season often involve Ferraris messing about on the run to the finish line. But unlike in Austria when the position swap was the result of strict orders from the pit wall, at Indianapolis Michael Schumacher returned the favour - or did he?
Host Glenn Freeman is joined by Mark Hughes and Bring Back V10s debutant Jonathan Noble, who were both at the 2002 US Grand Prix. They look back on the confusion around the finish, as Schumacher seemed unable to decide if he was trying to give Barrichello a victory, or engineer a dead heat finish.
We also look back on Ford completing a three-month review of its failing Jaguar team, BAR considering its identity for the future, Felipe Massa effectively having F1’s first 10-place grid penalty turned into a race ban by his team, and a shock announcement of a new American F1 team that never came to anything.
Comments
Well I liked BAR, in 2000 it really looked like they could go places
Brendan Queenan
2025-01-26 16:12:33 +0000 UTCI love the “not quite flat but we give it a go” karting story. Very BAR at Spa 99 and on brand for BBV10s 😂
Ben Johnson
2025-01-25 05:44:41 +0000 UTCI had the 1:18 scale 1999 Villeneuve BAR mini champs model and a lucky strike cushion I got in Monaco in 2001:)
Andy84EFC
2025-01-24 18:37:25 +0000 UTCAt the time, this did just feel like Ferrari were taking the piss out of fans and F1. Not surprising that F1 failed to take off stateside with antics like this
Mark Martin
2025-01-24 15:23:28 +0000 UTCTotally agree with you.
Xerxes Balsara
2025-01-24 14:01:30 +0000 UTCThe scars of missed titles past were certainly legitimate, but they were intelligent enough to see the advantage they had in 2002 and that it was never going to disappear that year. The team was just geared that way and they were shocked to see people didn’t much like it once they were scoring routine 1-2s. Indy hurt a bit more though because there was simply no excuse for it at all. It just felt like they held the audience in contempt. Imagine paying to go to that race and seeing that pantomime play out. Doesn’t matter whose fault it was and why it happened, it was just crap.
Bummer Dog
2025-01-24 13:42:21 +0000 UTCJust wanted to say a sincere thank you 🙏🏻for all the wonderful content.
Diego Coppola
2025-01-24 01:45:33 +0000 UTCI think that it was mostly the tire issues. Remember 2005 and 2006 when Ralf had 2 massive shunts because the Michelin tire didn't hold up for 1 banked corner. Cars would have run a stiff Monza Spec setup but the tires would have had to be rock solid which they weren't back then. Hope Gary can correct my hypothesis.
Xerxes Balsara
2025-01-24 00:50:20 +0000 UTCI do recall that statement. I went through my archives of whatever little I had of F1 back then and found this statement by Ross. It's just that their technical superiority that year was so far ahead of anyone that this felt needless given that ALL championships were wrapped up early.
Xerxes Balsara
2025-01-24 00:42:00 +0000 UTCI think Ross Brawn made some lame excuse about not being sure what the future holds and since they lost a championship by a point once they wanted to make absolutely sure that they maximised everything. Think I heard it in the 2002 season review or something. But honestly, I don't know
Bart
2025-01-23 22:30:43 +0000 UTCOn the point of why haven't we seen f1 cars on an oval yet? I won't be too surprised they're not allowed to by either the FIA or whoever is in charge of indycar these days (sorry i know next to nothing about indycar) because it would start a comparing contest, which might pack out negativity for on or both parties involved. But that's my 2 cents
Bart
2025-01-23 22:28:54 +0000 UTCThat two second clip of Patrick in the garage is so unintentionally hilarious to me. The camera shake, hands through his hair, tilted sunglasses from shoving the headphones down onto his neck, the attitude of the mechanic behind him, and even the shot prior all add to the feeling of THAT'S IT PACK IT UP WE'RE DONE HERE like an angry dad hahaha. Nothing makes a man more mad than seeing the exact situation he warned about happen almost immediately.
Zach Buchowski
2025-01-23 19:47:47 +0000 UTCA team put together at short notice from October-ish of one year to being on the grid of that following year with using Arrows' assets sounds remarkably familiar to what Aguri Suzuki's team actually did for 2006. But then, Super Aguri at least had backing from Honda.
Philipp Eitzinger
2025-01-23 15:55:17 +0000 UTCIn most motorsports the computer goes well past the thousandths, it just doesn't show it. When I drag raced, it would go six digits past the decimal. The MOV would just show .0000
Mark Riccetti Jr
2025-01-23 15:42:47 +0000 UTCThis will be good. Got a road trip coming up on the weekend. This will do just fine.
Michael Holden
2025-01-23 11:43:06 +0000 UTCQuestion: if they had managed to engineer a dead heat to within a thousandth of a second would the result have stood as a tie or would the FIA have invoked something like distance covered relative to grid position in the same way that the ACO did at Le Mans in 1966?
Nicholas Langdon
2025-01-23 09:44:46 +0000 UTCEpisode question: It's been over 22 years and with the performance advantage of the F2002 and Michael's consistency that year, I still haven't understood why Ferrari needed team orders that year. Don't get me wrong but with Michael and Ferrari winning race after race, I actually had one of the best years in my life. Unfortunately the Austria and the US weekends were super sour points for me. Austria even more so given the post race theatrics and Indy just felt like they flipped us off. By the way, I will keep saying this: "Keep up the unbiased work and true reporting of the sport by the ENTIRE TEAM of The Race". Only motorsport podcast subscription worth having these days.
Xerxes Balsara
2025-01-23 00:49:42 +0000 UTC
