Look back in anger w/ Jeremy Gilbert
Added 2024-09-17 05:10:01 +0000 UTCJeremy Gilbert joins me to discuss the news that Oasis have announced that they will be reforming to perform a series of gigs next summer. We discussed the reaction to that news, why 90s nostalgia is so prevalent, and why it was that of the various guitar groups of the time, it was Oasis who became so successful in the mid 1990s.
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Slightly harsh on the Stone Roses as well I think, if only they'd kept going the way of One Love and Fools Gold instead of trying to be Led Zeppelin they could have been quite danceable?
Clive Hedges
2024-09-23 09:28:37 +0000 UTCAbsolutely, Slade in particular, I think that's why I got mildly caught up with it at first as an oldie, it was nostalgia for my 10 year old self 😄
Clive Hedges
2024-09-23 09:25:16 +0000 UTCproof that ultimately Jem cares more about cool music than hegemony
Lorcan Mullen
2024-09-18 19:32:07 +0000 UTCI actually think you can also hear a lot of "She Said, She Said" in Oasis too. Musically though what they absolutely nailed was that wall of noise guitar sound of unsophisticated but tuneful bands from the 1970s. Slade, T-Rex and of course The Sex Pistols. As far as their popularity now is concerned, legacy acts - which Oasis now are I suppose - are what people want to see. I know people that don't even really like Springsteen, the Rolling Stones, etc, but go and see them anyway because it's an Event with Instagram potential. All the young people in my office are they same - it's partly FOMO, but partly because it's an entertainment spend that isn't going on pubs and clubs like earlier generations did.
Greg Marsh
2024-09-18 17:24:29 +0000 UTCCame here to say something similar. Really like Jeremy, especially ACFM... and dont like Oasis at all, but this was hilariously miserable.
NOK
2024-09-18 09:35:52 +0000 UTCBe interesting to hear a more nuanced discussion of how such a diverse group of bands, including several fronted by women, were all part of the project.
Cheryl
2024-09-17 23:14:57 +0000 UTCInteresting listen from here in the US, where we were spared the debate (thank God!). To my ear, they always had more in common with arena rock than Britpop so I never took them seriously.
Cheryl
2024-09-17 22:42:57 +0000 UTCI haven’t finished the episode yet but I’m interested in the fact there’s no mention of Oasis’ galvanising of the football terraces…… their rise to fame coincides with the aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster and the dissolution of standing room at football grounds and as such the dissolution of the gangs of violent supporters. In my mind there’s a direct connection between “new Ladism” and “old hooligan”…….
Dilip Harris
2024-09-17 19:53:32 +0000 UTCBeyond my blind love for Jarvis Cocker, though, it's worth noting that Pulp were pretty explicitly hostile to New Labour and refused Oasis-style cooption
Emily Dyson
2024-09-17 16:22:43 +0000 UTCSo wounded by Jem's "it was fine" re Pulp
Emily Dyson
2024-09-17 16:15:43 +0000 UTCBig fan of Jeremy's work, and his contributions to this pod. I think, even, I don't substantially disagree with his takes in this episode. And yet I'm left feeling very deflated on this listen. It felt like he was at his most "old man yells at cloud" haha. This is probably partly because the meaning to be extracted from an Oasis reunion in 2024 (and the public response to it) is ultimately itself limited. I would have liked something to grasp onto about newer, radical shoots in modern music culture. It's not as though, indeed, the more interesting and radical music that Oasis distracted or derived from itself only came about as a marker of better and less neoliberal times; it is in its own way a rejection and a despair. Can we not have some musical despair about our present political conjuncture that funnels into something genuinely creative, interesting, or radical?
James A
2024-09-17 16:02:50 +0000 UTCArctic Monkeys.
Timber Tickle
2024-09-17 15:20:30 +0000 UTCI think he's wrong about the SPs: sonically they were very Oasis/Quo
Peter Gartside
2024-09-17 13:20:32 +0000 UTCDo you mean the music coming out of the black and south Asian communities? I'd say asian dub foundation and massive attack would be the most commercially successful although I think he was more talking about jungle and bangra there so punjab mc and goldie I guess we're the most mainstream artist from that cannon? I'm not entirely sure as I am a 90s child so wasn't old enough for that scene but am always looking for the history of these things so any advance on these is welcome
Louis Gardiner
2024-09-17 09:41:24 +0000 UTCNow the only question is can we get the reccs Jeremy gives for better bands who Oasis whitewashed over!
Roasting Leopard
2024-09-17 09:26:28 +0000 UTCWould love to hear that Sex Pistols show that Jeremy said you’d have to do some time
Conor McFall
2024-09-17 08:48:01 +0000 UTCIf, as Jem asserts, britpop was an ideological project, does that imply some agency, and therefore agents, behind it? I understand it suited the bottom line of an ailing music press and rock magazine industry to elevate (white) guitar bands but that doesn't constitute an *ideological* project
Peter Gartside
2024-09-17 08:28:25 +0000 UTC
