yes he's a hypocrite, but... (for the Patrons)
Added 2023-03-17 22:07:38 +0000 UTCAnother likkle video before season 3 of You can Always change your Mind!
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Just joined the Patreon. Looks like I’m the only dissenting voice in this thread so far; I’ll paste my (slightly edited) comment from the YouTube video: Scrolling through these [YouTube] comments, it's clear a lot of people are arguing (as I would) that the point of debate content like this clip is to reach *audiences*, not to change the mind of the debate opponent. I can't imagine this being a difficult response to anticipate, but I don't think you really addressed it. (Others were countering that the persuadable parts of the audience are a tiny fraction of it, but I would still say it's better to persuade those people than not to.) I'm also very skeptical of the presumption that feeling smug or virtue signaling is the primary motive of the viewers who already agree. A few things I'd be interested to see: 1) Do a follow up video addressing this question. See if there are any studies that really answer the right questions about the costs and benefits of public debate. 2) Poll your own youtube audience to see where they stand on this question. 3) Have a public conversation with someone from the part of the online left that does debates, and *really do your best* to steel-man their motives and those of their audience (while holding the condition that they do the same). Of the online left figures who have made anti-debate videos, you strike me as one of the most honest, reasonable, and open-minded. You end every video by saying 'You can always change your mind' (and have named this videos series the same), which indicates to me that you dislike echo chambers and do not consider persuasion a lost cause. Given the strength of the current echo-chamber wall within the online left (between those who largely value debate and those who don’t), I really believe you could do a lot of good via option 3 on this list.
Warren Shull
2023-04-09 22:16:18 +0000 UTCI think I’m just reiterating Khadija here. Calling out hypocrisy and injustice is critical, but it has to be seen as a building block rather than a victory. I value intellectual honesty and critical thought, but powerful persuasive arguments can be made when those ideals are discarded. Uphold the standards, but be realistic and pragmatic. Jon’s video isn’t going to change the mind of a politician, but it can be a nudge to encourage political engagement. Dunking on someone is impactful, but one dunk doesn’t win a championship. We need a lot of legwork by a lot of people to make that happen. We don’t need a 24/7 grind, but watch out for getting too comfortable or complacent.
Jarod Boerst
2023-03-19 02:36:33 +0000 UTC
