Show notes 194
Added 2024-01-21 18:01:00 +0000 UTCHello, hello. And what do we have in the show notes this week. Well, we start with some photos of the Dutch police and their Porsches. Then we have Jonny in full Swedish architect mode relaxing in the back of a speeding Tesla Model 3 (floorpan bop, not pictured) and a bear dressed like a middle-aged man at a cars & coffee. Finally, yes, dog nappies are a real thing. Now some links…
It’s not just Richard’s wife who’s noticed the Starbucks filter coffee thing
U2 and that police convertible song
A brief history of the Dutch police and Porsches
An early TV performance of Smooth Operator
English Electric Lightning engines powering Britain’s gas network
Jonny doesn’t hold back on the Honda e:Ny1
Comments
If you really want to experience a Dutch police 911, I am sure Leo de Haas (https://leodehaas.com/#contact) can get you in to contact with people who own one. He has an interesting TV career and (past) car collection.
ramdyne
2024-01-28 18:45:47 +0000 UTCNSU Ro80 wheelbase is 2.86 m (113 in)
Stephen Voss
2024-01-27 02:31:43 +0000 UTCFor a luxury JDM choice how about a 3rd gen Nissan President, 2880 mm wheelbase or a 4th gen President is 2870 mm.
Andrew C
2024-01-26 22:42:22 +0000 UTCUnfortunately only the most recent ones are long enough. Get the sense he’s looking for something more classic. And the ID Buzz is a thing already
Matt Stanford
2024-01-26 21:15:33 +0000 UTCI asked chatgpt to give me some pre 1990 cars with a wheelbase matching the Tesla and these were the results: BMW 7 Series (E32) Wheelbase: 2832 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 43 mm Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W126) Wheelbase: 2936 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 61 mm Audi 100/200 (C3) Wheelbase: 2685 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 190 mm Volvo 760 Wheelbase: 2771 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 104 mm Cadillac Seville (3rd generation) Wheelbase: 2761 mm Difference from Tesla Model 3: 114 mm
Jack McGurran
2024-01-26 20:28:08 +0000 UTCHow about a Fiat Ulysse 2823cm and 1863cm width
James Ockenden
2024-01-25 18:46:19 +0000 UTCWe all know Jonny has a hankering for a Coleman Milne Granada hearse. Is the wheelbase of 299mm (120mm longer than a Model 3) an.abwolute no go?
Mike Follows
2024-01-25 10:46:58 +0000 UTCAye, that's a great project. Seems like it's stalled though :(
Chris Squirrel
2024-01-23 21:28:36 +0000 UTCI see the Boostedboiz Plaidessey has already beene mentioned, but the OG frameswap peoplecarrier has to be the Lexspace on Pistonheads!
Martijn Koevoets
2024-01-23 15:58:10 +0000 UTCGreat list. I'm with you re. the C6/XM. I have a thing for Espaces of any age so I'd nominate them too :)
Chris Squirrel
2024-01-23 13:36:03 +0000 UTCJaguar XJ40 or X300 both share the wheel base
Robert McDonald
2024-01-23 07:20:47 +0000 UTCBMW 7 Series E32 (1986-1994) is 2833mm for the SWB version
Chris Wyman
2024-01-23 07:11:03 +0000 UTCit's a really long wheelbase eh - it's large exec and delivery vans from the 80s and 90s only. Even our domestic large (rear drive) sedans in Australia are shorter wheelbase - you have to go to the prime ministerial extra length ones for >288cm wheelbase
Matt Stanford
2024-01-23 02:55:01 +0000 UTCXJ40, E60 5 Series, or, and hear me out here, a C6 or an XM with a little work done. Keep the suspension, happy, happy days. Tesla Model 3 - Wheelbase - 288cm / Width - 184cm Rover SD1 281.5cm / 177cm Leyland P76 283cm / 191cm Talbot Tagora 281cm / 181cm Citroen C6 290cm / 186cm << Phwar Citroen CX 285cm / 173cm Citroen XM 285cm / 179cm << Go On. Keep the XM suspension. Best of both worlds. Jaguar XJ (X308) - 287cm / 180cm Jaguar XJ (XJ40) - 287cm / 180cm << here you are. Classic. Heaps of spares. Preserve Brittania or whatever. Metric wheels. Ford Thunderbird (66) - 287.5cm / 196.3cm Mercedes Benz S Class (W116) - 286.5cm / 187cm Mercedes Benz S Class (W126) - 286.5cm / 182cm Mercedes Benz E Class (W210) - 283.2cm / 180cm Mercedes Benz R Class (W251) - 298cm / 192cm Volvo XC70 (2007) 281.5cm / 186cm Volvo 960 277cm / 175cm Volvo S90 (2016) 294cm / 188cm Land Rover Discovery (2014) 288.5 cm / 191cm Range Rover (L322) 288 cm / 192cm Volkswagen T4 292cm or 332cm / 184cm BMW 7 (E32) 283.2cm / 184.5cm BMW 7 (E38) 293cm / 186cm BMW 5 (E39) 283cm / 180cm BMW 5 (E60) 288.8cm / 184.6cm <<< DING DING Renault Espace (2015) 288cm / 189cm Renault Grand Espace (2006) 286.8 cm / 189cm Lexus LS (Gen 2) 285 cm / 182cm Peugeot 604 280cm / 177cm
Matt Stanford
2024-01-23 02:52:47 +0000 UTCOoh, a panel van would be sweet too, but given that Jonny's a respectable family man the extra doors of the wagon might suit his lifestyle more. And 2 minutes? What do you do with the other 90 seconds?
Jeremy Cheah
2024-01-22 23:03:21 +0000 UTCPanel van would be practical for tradies too. Ole Man used to call them microwaves... cause you could do a bird in the back in 2 mins
Stephen Voss
2024-01-22 22:33:21 +0000 UTCThe Dutch police also ran Alfa Romeo Spiders for the same reason.
Sander Hop
2024-01-22 22:32:16 +0000 UTCRover 75 wheel base is 2,746mm in the estate format or 2,946 mm in the limousine
Riley
2024-01-22 21:27:09 +0000 UTCDoggy nappies are usually more like sanitary towels, for your lady dog when it's that time of the month before she's been for her girly snip. Otherwise they not only bleed on your sofa, but get knocked up by the local horny mongrel. Regards the e-Up, Richard is obviously failing in his Husband Jobs. Cleaning cars is Husband Job. He doesn't touch the washing machine, I don't vacuum cars :D
Helen Morris
2024-01-22 20:58:35 +0000 UTCI should add that if your plan is to go ghetto with an ancient Model S, whilst it seems obvious to choose an Impala wagon for your estate of choice, do you really want to add a '76 wagon to your collection? The best US model is the aptly named Buick Electra. It's like it's asking for the swap! Clearly, the 15mm shorter wheelbase isn't going to cause much trouble and you absolutely must have it in brown/gold standard colours. Some nice 25mm arch extensions and running boards made from marine plywood would finish it off brilliantly. You're welcome.
Andy Laurence
2024-01-22 12:01:07 +0000 UTCThe correct answer for a man who loves his JDM is, of course, the Nissan Stagea. Renowned for having incredible underpinnings for a family estate, it seems fitting that it should be used. The wheelbase is just under an inch shorter. If your budget is larger and you want to go British, a Bristol 412 is a nice drop-top and less than an inch longer wheelbase. It'll have a massive boot under the bonnet once you remove the engine from that landing strip of a bonnet.
Andy Laurence
2024-01-22 11:48:14 +0000 UTCTesla Model 3 shares it’s 2875mm wheelbase with: 2009- Mazda CX-9 2011- Mercedes CLS500/63AMG 2011- Mercedes E63 sedan 2013- Mercedes E350 sedan 2014- Mercedes E250 BlueTEC The only other option is a 2022 Genesis GV70 electric, which would be both expensive and ultimately pointless.
Richard Fitton-Perkins
2024-01-22 11:23:17 +0000 UTCPret (increasingly appearing at services - now at Stafford north) do tend to have the filter coffee on and it’s usually surprisingly cheap. I always loose time walking round the duck pond though.
Thomas Hill
2024-01-22 11:12:38 +0000 UTCCitroen CX v close (30mm) and as the drive train was the weak point it's ideal as an EV. And keep the revolving drum speedo so you can read it ahead of you - plus the CX indicator switches now Tesla have ditched the stalk.
Anthony Daniels
2024-01-22 11:11:57 +0000 UTCI'm glad it's not just me then.
Tom Lanigan
2024-01-22 10:25:01 +0000 UTCI'm actually disappointed to discover that a B3 Passat is about 100mm shorter than a Model 3. That would have been a dream come true for the Smith brothers.
Patrick Rennison
2024-01-22 10:10:23 +0000 UTCI have often asked for a filter coffee at Starbucks, it's never on, but they give me an americano for the same price as a filter. I would also say that coffee snobs often seek out filter or drip coffee, it's way nicer than just a watered down espresso.
Ben Oliver
2024-01-22 10:02:59 +0000 UTCI was thinking American family motoring and think the Buick roadmaster (in full woody wagon 92-96 spec) could be in for a great shout - 2944mm wheelbase and 1984mm wide. But also potentially easy to swap as it is a body on frame car… what a family wagon that would make!
Gareth Brown
2024-01-22 10:02:48 +0000 UTCJust started listening. Jonny should look up the Plaidissey by the Boosted Boys (Boiz?). It's a Model S Plaid hidden under a 90s (?) Honda Odissey body. Unless he and Rich find out about it in later minutes of this 'cast, in which case, feel free to, or rather, please, ignore this comment.
Charles Deichmann
2024-01-22 09:55:54 +0000 UTCAn electric Shadow would be amazing. I’m sure somebody has done it already but hacking the Tesla chassis onto the RR body and then wedging the iPad into the carpentry would be brilliant.
Richard Norgate
2024-01-22 09:28:53 +0000 UTCI thought I was the only conspiracy theorist who thought Starbucks were up to something with the no filter coffee ever shenanigans. Relieved to hear others feel the same.
Ben O'Connell
2024-01-22 09:12:50 +0000 UTCStarbucks filter coffee news - you get a FREE REFILL with their filter coffee if you drink it in!
Richard Major
2024-01-22 08:58:13 +0000 UTCAye filter is your drip coffee
Calum Gillies
2024-01-22 08:52:59 +0000 UTCFor British cars with a similar wheelbase as A Tesla Model 3 I asked Google Bard (their AI chat) Close Matches: - Jaguar XJ6 Series 3 (1979-1987): 2,921 mm (47mm longer than Model 3) - Aston Martin Lagonda (1976-1990): 2,901 mm (27mm longer) - Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow II (1977-1980): 2,895 mm (21mm longer) Alternatives (within 50mm): - Austin Maxi (1969-1981): 2,822 mm (52mm shorter) - Rover P6 (1963-1977): 2,762 mm (112mm shorter) - MG Magnette Mark IV (1961-1968): 2,718 mm (156mm shorter)
Richard Major
2024-01-22 08:36:55 +0000 UTCI converted mm to inches and got 113 inches for American Classics with similar wheelbases 1985 Buick Riviera Early 90s Caddie Deville Late 50s Thunderbirds
Richard Major
2024-01-22 08:35:31 +0000 UTCMy fiance recently moved in with his dog, a 9mo old Labrador who’s just came in to her first heat, sending my 5 year old Chow wild wanting a bit of action, she’s had to wear a nappy for the past few weeks, I was pissing myself laughing for the first few day every time I saw her as they look so ridiculous
Mark Sheridan
2024-01-22 08:05:25 +0000 UTCDoes filter coffee = drip coffee or batch brew in 'Murican English? Thanks :)
Colin Kao
2024-01-21 23:26:11 +0000 UTCMe too (on the Sue Lawley thing!)
Stanley Elder
2024-01-21 23:22:50 +0000 UTCSwedish architect or that bloke from all those skandi murder series.
Robin White
2024-01-21 21:57:56 +0000 UTCAgree with filter coffee challenge at Starbucks 👍
Andrew Barnes
2024-01-21 21:39:56 +0000 UTCI'm not sure what your +/- tolerance is on wheelbases, but pretty much all Aussie Ford Falcons from the 60s to the late 80s rode on 111" (2819mm) wheelbases, which includes the XB hardtop, which in turn means Interceptor. Or if that isn't "practical" enough, a 1971 XY Falcon wagon would be a sweet, sweet ride.
Jeremy Cheah
2024-01-21 21:39:08 +0000 UTCThat's a very smart dog
Mark Podmore
2024-01-21 21:32:39 +0000 UTCJonny definitely needs to be driving a Saab looking like that!
Will Flack
2024-01-21 20:59:04 +0000 UTCI'd love to see a 1966 Olds Toronado on the tesla platform but I think it would be too long. Here are some other suggestions: 2850mm Citroen XM 2850mm Lexus LS400 gen 2 2864mm Jaguar XJ6 LWB 2865mm Mercedes-Benz W116 S class 2870mm Jaguar XJ40 2881mm Volkswagen Phaeton SWB As for misheard lyrics: Police - So Lonely - I used to sing Sue Lawley (she of Nationwide in the 1970s)
Tom Lanigan
2024-01-21 20:01:09 +0000 UTCWe once took part in a convoy with a record amount of these police Porsches. Afterwards we were asked if we wanted to drive the circa 40 miles back ourselves, with a coworker in another one. “But guys, please don’t use the sirens”…. needless to say, many shenanigans took place. 😂
Martijn Koevoets
2024-01-21 18:04:41 +0000 UTC
