House of the Dragon 1x9 REACTION | The Green Council | Watch it with us
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Tara L
2024-03-02 09:15:15 +0000 UTCYou talk over so much... it's insane.
Tara L
2024-03-02 09:15:08 +0000 UTCi would agree, she doesnt want all those brutal sacrifices she had to make as no more than a puppet to the men around her be in vain. like her doing her duty means something. otherwise.. why did she do it?? she ruined her only real friendship, married the cript keeper, and had 4 children all to go along with what was expected of her, then she sees rhae get to do the things she wished she would have been able to do and still get that unconditional love from her father, of course shes bitter,
Megan Burland
2023-09-20 23:42:18 +0000 UTC1. Rhaenyra, laenor, corlys, and viserys (the king) have all claimed the strong boys as true born so it doesn’t matter. 2. Rhaenyra and daemon have their own kids as well so regardless how you feel about the strong boys they’d be next in line before alicent’s kids
Persono Someone
2023-09-20 17:17:51 +0000 UTC" Visery did mention to Alicent in episode 3 that he dreamed of his son wearing Aegon the conqueror's crown. So its not unbelieve that she thinks the Aegon Visery was talking about as he was dying was their son." This. People often forget that Viserys DID in fact mention his dream to Alicent back in episode 3. He told Alicent that he dreamed of him having a son, wearing the conquerors crown, a dragon dream. And he'd been so obsessed with it, he ended up killing Rhaenyra's mother in the process. He thought naming Rhaenyra heir would be his way out of his grief and regret (as he said), but then he told Alicent he never imagined he'd remarry or have a son, and he wondered if he was WRONG. Alicent hears Viserys on his dying bed asking if she "remembers" about a dream and Aegon, and so I think she likely connected those memories of what he told her to what he was saying, she didn't just come up with it out of nowhere.
connie
2023-09-20 04:30:09 +0000 UTCI don't think it does. Although she believes it was his dying wish, I also think that connects well with her own wishes. Alicent can convince herself that Viserys wanted this anyway, which alleviates any guilt she may have on usurping the throne, because then she's justified and she isn't ACTUALLY a usurper. Now she can rest free knowing she's fulfilling her husbands last wish, and also fulfilling her own desire to make meaning out of her own sacrifices. This way, she's being a good wife, a good mother and a good queen. She's doing it all for her husband and her kids and the realm, as is her duty.
connie
2023-09-20 04:23:44 +0000 UTCLet me preface this by saying, although I'm not "Team Alicent" in the sense that I'm Team Green (I'm not), I'm Team Alicent in the sense that I fully understand her side and why she is doing what she is doing. If you want a better understanding of Alicent, consider what she said in episode 7 to Rhaenyra: "What have I done, but what was expected of me? Forever upholding the kingdom, the family the law; while you flout it all to do as you please! Where is duty? Where is sacrifice?" Alicent was a fourteen-year-old girl in a time when marriage was often a matter of duty, and sacrifice, and she found herself in a union with King Viserys thanks to her father's wishes. The societal norms of the era she lives in compelled her to accept it, even though it was far from her personal desires. So Alicent was only fourteen when she was thrust into a world of royal responsibilities as a queen, wife and mother. In her marriage to a man old enough to be her father, she bore four children for him, yet he showed little interest in being a father to them, as you seem to have noticed, he was essentially an absent father. At her age, coping with the challenges of motherhood would be understandably difficult. Alicent struggled to form strong connections with her children, even though she loves them. She's more duty based with them, I think because it comes more naturally to her; duty. Her marriage to begin with was a duty to her father and to her house. Her marriage to Viserys she became his caretaker, his broodmare who gives him children. Her motherhood was a duty as well. She loves her kids, but there is an emotional distance due to the age she had them, and the circumstances. I don't think she took to motherhood like Rhaenyra, who was able to have kids when she wanted and with whom she wanted. Which makes sense considering. Alicent had been made to sacrifice her youth to fulfill her duty as a daughter, a wife, a queen, yet her children, who by law of primogeniture, should have been heirs to the throne, were overlooked because Viserys guilt over Aemma compelled him to make Rhaenyra his heir. I don't think her actions are as a puppet for her da. I think they stem from her desire to give meaning to her life's sacrifices. By placing her son, Aegon, on the throne – a child Viserys had always desired but never acknowledged in the end – Alicent hopes to fulfill her responsibilities as both queen and mother. If she can place her son on the the throne, the son that Viserys once told her he had always wanted, had dreamed of having so desperately he sought it for years, only to finally get that son from Alicent...if she got to put Aegon on the throne like Viserys once wished to see, then she could feel she fulfilled his desires, which subsequently means she also fulfilled her duty as his queen and also as a mother to her kids, and all she went through, won't be in vain. I think Alicent ultimately wanted to believe what she heard, because she wants to place Aegon on the throne, guilt free and with justification (Viserys dying wish).
connie
2023-09-20 03:33:47 +0000 UTCAs for being next in line, Aemond isn't wrong. That's how succession works. Remember when Daemon was next in line after Viserys, because the King didn't have any trueborn sons? That's why Daemon was heir apparent and Viserys had to block his ascent by naming Rhaenyra heir instead. Rhaenyra doesn't have a legitimate line of kids. Her sons are bastards. Her trying to place them on the throne is illegal, which the Green faction is well aware of, and partly why their is such a fuss to begin with. The true next in line after Rhaenyra (so long as she has no trueborn sons) is Aegon II (Alicent's son). And since he does have trueborn sons, his ascent is firm. The throne passes to the next eldest child, so if Rhaenyra has no trueborn kids, then it passes to Aegon II. If Aegon II can't be found, it is in fact Aemond whose next in line.
connie
2023-09-20 02:31:12 +0000 UTCI get what you're saying Sophie, but consider episode 3. This isn't the first time Alicent heard about a prophecy/dream in regards to her son. Viserys once told Alicent that he once had a dream of him having a son who was wearing the conquerers crown. He tells her after Aemma died, he gave up on the dream and crowned Rhaenyra. But he tells her he never imagined he'd remarry and have a son, and he wondered if he was wrong, to crown Rhaenyra. So when Viserys asks Alicent on his death bed "don't you remember?" It's likely Alicent thought back to that day by the fire, when Viserys told her this. She didn't just come up with it out of nowhere. Also, Alicent is the Queen, but her father is the Hand. He's been the hand of 3 different kings and let's be honest, he's a man in a male dominated society. He commands more respect from that and his experience. Alicent moving quickly or slowly wouldn't change anything. It was established in the meeting that Otto and them were already plotting to seat Aegon even BEFORE Alicent told them about Viserys words. That wasn't their push, it was just a way for them to have extra motive, but they were gonna seat Aegon on the throne regardless.
connie
2023-09-20 02:17:39 +0000 UTCI thought the house that was burning was the fighting pit
Tezca
2023-09-20 00:44:12 +0000 UTCAlso SPOHIE WAS PREACHING!! Yes she was manipulated but that scene with Otto standing up to him and even opposing him with aegon chase ?!?! She isn’t innocent anymore she wants her son on the throne for different reasons from Otto and some of the same but still she is an active green.
Dani 💤
2023-09-20 00:06:36 +0000 UTCOnce again I agree with both of you guys and YALL ARE FUNNY ALICENT THE PUPPET!??! PLEASE can’t wait for next ep (loved the carriage scene 😌)
Dani 💤
2023-09-20 00:03:01 +0000 UTCThe reason they rushed to get Aegon coronated so shortly after the King died is because they wanted to do it before Rhaenyra & Daemon found about Visery's death. That's why they locked down all the servants. You guys seem to forget Visery's decison to name Rhaenyra air was a shocking decision that wasn't supported by most of the lords & common people because she is a woman. So to a lot of them, Aegon as the King's first born son is the rightful heir. As far as teams, I find myself siding with Alicent. I think she is the most sympathetic character. I think people dislike her because they are viewing her through today's lenses and not through the time period in which this story takes place. Alicent as a high born lady was raised to do as she was told. Her father pushed her to comfort the King & win his affection, she did that. While her & Visery were courting, he told her not to tell Rhaenyra, which she did not. She was told to marry the King & give him heirs, she did that. When she tried to make-up with Rhaenyra, she encouraged the King to believe Rhaenyra was still a virgin because she was led to believe so. Doing this, caused her father to basically be fired as Hand of the King. Which made Alicent feel alone. Then she got defensive after realizing Rhaenyra had lied to her. That betrayal + Otto's warning to her that Rhaenyra will kill her children to secure the throne, is why Alicent acts the way she does. I don't think she's a bad person or a bad mom. She could be better, but its out of concern for her children & loyalty to her husband who she truly believes wants their son to be King is why she wants Aegon to be coronated. Visery did mention to Alicent in episode 3 that he dreamed of his son wearing Aegon the conqueror's crown. So its not unbelieve that she thinks the Aegon Visery was talking about as he was dying was their son. And also part of it is her wanting to believe Visery did loved their son. You guys mention Aegon not feeling loved and its because his father for the most part neglected him. Part of it was Visery being very ill, so he was confined to his bed. But he wasn't as connected to his children with Alicent, as he was to Rhaenyra. Which is another reason why Alicent resents Rhaenyra. The King was more willing to go along with Rhaenyra's lie & cover up that her children are bastards, than protect his children with Alicent. And as far as Aegon being violent, you could argue he's no more violent & messed-up than Dameon is. And Dameon will be just as influential on Rhaenyra, as Otto as to Alicent. I don't thinks its as black & white as you guys seem to think it is. You can make the case for both Alicent & Rhaenyra in my opinion.
Dana Sow
2023-09-19 23:27:23 +0000 UTCI find Alicent to be by far the most sympathetic character in the whole show. She’s disliked a lot for not doing as Rhaenyra would but the fact that she doesn’t have those same privileges often gets ignored. She’s the daughter of a second son. She doesn’t have a dragon. Most of her power is external to her, and as a child it is wielded by her father alone. She does her duty and gets next to nothing in return. No friends, no love other than that of her children. And her love for her children is part of why she’s willing to believe Viserys chose Aegon with his dying breath. Him saying that to her would make all the pain worth it. She wants to tell her son that in the end his father did love him and believe in him because she knows how much knowing otherwise had affected Aegon. When he asks her “do you love me?” she calls him an imbecile because it’s so obvious that she loves him as she does all her children. Most of all though, she’s the harsh reality of what most women in an extremely patriarchal society are like. The ones who understand the way the world works and operate within it in the best way they can to protect themselves and the people they love. If you’ve experienced or been around a society like that, chances are you understand a woman like Alicent without much difficulty.
Halima
2023-09-19 21:20:23 +0000 UTCI agree. I have sympathy for Alicent’s position too. Considering the world she exists in, her mother dying, being left under the care of Otto, and essentially being forced to marry Viserys at 15 years old. She’s not the greatest mom, but I believe she loves her kids and Rhaenyra. It’s just super complicated, and she’s a flawed person, like everyone else. Still 100 % Team Black though.
Sivan
2023-09-19 20:59:53 +0000 UTCPost episode conversation was FIRE 🔥🔥 Otto’s goal of making Aegon heir has been Alicent’s goal for quite a while now, where they differ is Otto wants Rhaenyra & co to be put to the sword while Alicent wants to bring in some childhood friend charm and see if they can come to an agreement. I honestly think Alicent deserves a lot more empathy than she usually gets on these reaction channels but I appreciate you guys going so into her character this episode 👏🏽 Really can’t wait till the finale and the breakdown for that!!
IQLou
2023-09-19 20:39:33 +0000 UTC«The storm» meaning the winter and white walkers that are coming. And the prince who was promised is jon snow, the one who will unite the kingdoms. But the last seasons of game of thrones fucked up the story
Wafkinn
2023-09-19 20:13:52 +0000 UTCThe «aegon» and «chosen one» in visery’s dream of the song of ice and fire is about jon snow and the coming storm in game of thrones. So viserys was basically high on milk of the poppy and was seeing the dream and jon snow in front of him and told jon snow he was the chosen one. Alicent was just present the moment he said it and mistook his words for their son aegon and that he should be king :)
Wafkinn
2023-09-19 20:12:28 +0000 UTCAlicent is widely hated in this fandom but she is the most compelling character by far to me. GRRM has referred to the quote 'the human heart in conflict with itself' when discussing his characters and Alicent is the best example of this quote in the show. She is constantly at war between what she perceives to be her duty and her actual heart's desire aka her love for Rhaenyra. And she has real love for Rhaenyra that despite all this turmoil never leaves that's why Otto calls her out with the 'childhood companion' line. That even when crowning her son the thing that is forefront on her mind is saving Rhaenyra's life. Not to mention the added layer of Alicent being bred to be a soldier of the patriachy which makes her unsympathetic to a lot of the audience but I can only feel sorry for her. She was married off to a decaying man at the age of 15 and forced to have his children who he didn't even care for. And even when she realizes Otto's manipulation, she still degrades herself for Larys in the very next scene because she sees her body as suitable payment. Like she never finds empowerment or catharsis just an endless life of victimhood like she's such a tragic character and I feel deeply for her even if a lot of people hate her lol.
jollykim2
2023-09-19 20:10:43 +0000 UTCI was going to say this. I've seen Tomaj from Big Brother Lil Sis call Drogon Dracaerys for like 2 episodes and no one spoke to him like that. I've seen Bridgette and Cody make mistakes and no one speaks to them like that. It's been pretty uncalled for and I'm glad Sophie told 'em!
Carrie Petty
2023-09-19 20:07:00 +0000 UTCThe main reason why I hated the change of Alicent mistaking Viserys dying words is because it invalidates the whole reason for the dance. The whole point in F&B is that these two sides have valid reasons for putting both these people on the throne, and while reading it’s clear that neither Rhaenyra nor Aegon are what’s right for the realm. It’s a tragedy brought about by selfishness and incompetence and the show just…cheapens it. (still a great show though 🤭)
Halima
2023-09-19 20:05:38 +0000 UTCThere are soooo many things I dislike about this episode but the one shining scene was Aegon’s coronation. It’s one of the most well-produced scenes in the whole season. The acting by Tom Glynn Carney was amazing, Otto’s oration as Aegon walks up, the music having that slightly triumphant yet somber feel. Even the clanging sound fills you with dread cause everyone knows what’s coming next. The team did an excellent job – extra special shoutout to Ramin Djawadi for the music
Halima
2023-09-19 19:54:40 +0000 UTCI hope the nasty comments don’t get to you guys too much, you’re the only reactors where I see people being straight up rude in your comments section. Hopefully people are more polite in the new tier 🙏🏾
Halima
2023-09-19 19:49:41 +0000 UTClol now I see why y’all made a tier just for comments and discussions
TC24
2023-09-19 18:38:51 +0000 UTCDamn almost over. Episode 10 is in my top 3! One small thing: the house that was burning was Mysaria's. Alicent had Larys go to "kill" her for spying on them. Also, I agree. I truly believe Alicent knew that Viserys wasn't talking about their son Aegon. lol
Tay
2023-09-19 18:31:24 +0000 UTC
