(Week Early) Game of Thrones R+L=J REACTION & DISCUSSION

Ppl been waiting over a decade possibly 2 for the author to finish the books and even now they are not finished .. but luckily House of the dragon is a completed book ..The material for HOTD has new writers and wiggle room in the story to play around a bit.

Kosia Gotit

The show did paint Ned as very honorable so him having a bastard was the one thing about him that was out of character but the books were wrote in povs so book readers had more context . but I don't think any first time viewer should have got that but on a rewatch you will see the hints more clear

Kosia Gotit

they watched both videos in this but you’d know that if you watched their whole video.

Taryn

they watched both videos in this but you’d know that if you watched their whole video.

taryn

Dang you guys did what that other channel did and reacted to a different vid xD

Ifirez

This isn’t the right video. It’s this one by Robbie McD https://youtu.be/3xaspBsfgRg

Andrea

Why so defensive? No one is blaming you not figuring it out! Most people didnt. You act like everyone is yelling at you for not figuring it out, that was the big twist in the show, most didnt know, relax. THere was no point in even reacting to this if it was to just be so defensive and being so upset.

Jon Musen

When can we expect HOD?

Crystal Moore

Also, I think thats why Ned always looked so guilty when talking about Jon. Not because he was guilty of an affair, but because he had to lie about who jon was and couldn't tell anyone even Catlin the truth. I could tell after rewatching he wanted to tell jon so bad who he really was. Which goes against his whole nature for being so truthful and honorable.

Samantha

The show definately wanted you to think he was Ned's son and put little hints about the truth in there just to make you think that he was. Only to be this big reveal that he was lyannas son, after what the 6th or 7th season when bran saw the truth. I think the parts where they talk about it through the show was something to pick up after you re watch the show and already knowing what happens. It reminds me a little about how they did the reveal that snape was good when your suppose to think he was bad in Harry Potter, but then it's a big reveal at the end for the truth. Theres so much you will pick up if you rewatch the series but I think thats how they wanted it to be. From what I understand (haven't read the books) everyone in westeros thought rheagal kidnapped and raped lyanna, even though he was known as a good man before that, because no one knew that they loved each other and got married in secret. Except maybe the guards that died protecting her, and Ned. Robert never knew lyanna loved rhaegal. He was suppose to marry her and thought she loved him also. And thought she was kidnapped and that's why he hated targarians (spelling) so much. I personally love your guys channel for how much you put into the shows you watch and the discussions you have about them. I love how much emotion you guys show watching just like all of us who love the show as well.

Samantha

Last thing. Imagine what we felt like having to wait years for this and they wet the bed. I’ve watched GoT since day one and read the books multiple times. Don’t get hung up on not getting it. Bad writing is a real thing and it’s the reason for a lot of headache from fans. We just have to take this L. Thank you for watching and giving us content.

Phillip of house Harris

Everyone went through a phase where they didn’t connect the dots. The show spoiled it for the book readers although we had an idea. The books had more info about this topic that made it easier to connect. I don’t know why anyone watching you guys would think you’re going to pick up on it based on the show. They didn’t mention her between seasons 2-5 I think so why would we even think about that. Keep doing what you doing. I’m not looking for y’all to know everything. It’s more fun when I see you guys slowly connect the dots or even have your own theories.

Phillip of house Harris

......nobody is blaming you for not catching the early hints. Shit, most people didn't. It was when y'all saw the scene and thought Ned was the father. That's all. Not a big deal. It was just funny

EBRUH

How many times ppl may hav watchd is largely irrelevant as far as the gist goes. 4yrs of watchn GOT reactions y'all r the 1st w pushback & such projection for ur mishaps. Everybody knows the writer issue & still Ive nvr seen such determination not to accept your own errors. Mair gets it but holds bak lol. Idk 'happy wife....'😂 All I get is Virgo stars or rising frm the othr end of the couch. Mair just do HOTD by urself or w whatevr friend lasts. Fyi More ppl were watchin live then watchd later & discrepancies were minimal to none...'save the book readers'🙄 I watched live frm s1ep1 every Sun. Hadnt read the books. I knw Jon was Rheagars whn Blood Raven stopped Bran frm follown Ned to the tower. I knew bc of the 20yr secrecy, 2yr season gap & the slow eps. I jus didnt kno they were still n luv & married til Gilly found it...thought he wnt mad & rapped her. Jumpn out the Ned window was tazy bc the whole time R&L storys were bn told. Its frustratn bc u nvr listen...to the show or us. Everybody told u several times to pay attention to insignificant scenes/dialogue & to take notes. Yall jus kept iggin us, talkd ovr/turnd away frm stuff, & nvr used the resources to prevent the inevitable misunderstandings we saw comin like u wantd 2b lost. The different perspectives that Dahmair said makes it confusin is what's given n the lore. U c all perspectives bak to bak so u get an accurate description & it's not confusing or lost. Most issues aren't really black & white as such with real life. Its not a show EVERY1 gets 1st round but SOME do, especially whn they follow instructions. U're right we had time to go dwn rabbit holes researchn. The resources & instructions we gav y'all were so y'all didn't need time to. But u didn't listen. Some reactors & original viewers rewind, rewatch eps, seasons, and/or the shw. Some who got it the 1st time still learn new little thngs w every watch. Thats part of the addiction too. Some still hav difficulty. This is a world of discovery where u- can't fite 2b right all the time, have to love/look forward to learning & admitting ur wrong. Fyi Rob was betrothed to Lyanna. He wasn't just jealous. Lyanna was effectively cheating and there's a whole rabbit hole for our god GRRM to make her a villain. Cool? It's not cool to pursue a love interest who's arranged to be married to some1 else while you're married knowing the hell itll bring. And it's not cool to burn people aimlessly when you can just fly directly to the window of your main target. Rikkard was a warg in the show too but yall missed that. Oh no the writers didn't hang a billboard for u lol. Heres the tea y'all too young to kno: Black ppl clowned it while it was airing as a show for 'White nerds'. All the Black ppl I knw watchn weren't official nerds...just A Group/not LD lol. Due to social pressures during the last season some Black ppl started watchn to prove they weren't too dumb to follow. There were challenges & everything smh. Watchn reactors I've learned it's not ALL ab color it's culture too. Some r xposed to different types of cinema thus learning how to watch complex cinema. Others learn later, some never do. (And I bet u already identified which is which n ur friends reaction group 😉) I always say if nuthn else GOT can teach ppl how to watch shows/movies. Personally I nvr saw the purpose of ths video even being created much less referred or watched. I guess bc it was a book ppl theory for so long, whn technology came somebody decided to make it a video #ItIsKnown

Black Valyria👸🏿🐲🔥🌋

people really knew about jon for the books, because since book one Ned dreamed all the time of his sister telling him "promise me ned"... and that info became known. Dont worry about not realizing the truth, I think you dont need to explain a damn thing... just enjoy the shows you watch !

Ripo

also i was going to add that i’ve seen weird, mean comments on your posts about what you catch or what your opinions are and they are incredibly out of pocket. i don’t know why they pay for content to come on here to insult y’all.

kallista

yes alt shift x! love his videos

kallista

They do get really stuck on predictions. They love to point out when they get something right, and get very defensive when they don’t. I’m not sure the viewers really care, but I can only speak for myself

React2Reactions

As someone who watched the series without knowing what’s in the books and what’s not, it wasn’t a noticeable shift. All that became noticeable was in the end, the pace sped up. It was the comments you read that got you thinking this way. The comments also spoiled the Jon Snow thing for you. No, you weren’t supposed to be able to figure it out really, until you find out that Lyanna was in the tower. At that point, a lot of us realized, but I don’t think anyone should have expected that you should have. It’s not unreasonable to not have put it together. But for some reason, fans of this show like to be the one to tell you all about it what they know. But at the same time, don’t blame the writers that you didn’t get it. They just weren’t going to spell it out for you yet. Off topic, just bc there were some spectators that were (probably expected to be) there when Ned was executed, still doesn’t justify murdering hundreds of thousands of citizens, incl women and children. That’s my opinion anyway, maybe you think it does, but yikes 🫢

React2Reactions

Also now that you’ve seen the whole series you guys should watch some theroy videos If you guys want inspo to read the books 📚

Dani 💤

I agree with the others - no one who only watched the show was expected to have this theory already in mind. They do a good job before the episode of folding it into the ‘previously on’ part. I enjoy this because I think it reflects in this aspect that they knew where the story was going, like Hodor, good writing paths.

Amanda Sargent

We did both

Mair & Sophie

Amanda Sargent

yes thats the part people were upset about the ned being the father part if the story was rhaegar kidnapped her and raped her how would you assume ned is the father? we were not upset they didnt pick up on the real story of the relationship between lyanna and rhaegar but i never read the books but as soon as i saw that tower of joy scene it was obvious ned wasnt the father like why wouldnt rhaegar take his best swordsman sir arthur dane with him to fight robert?

ramon carter

What video did we miss? We did the theory and the cutscenes.

Mair & Sophie

Can y’all please watch the correct video😭🥺

Sarah Rosa

Omg you guys are always so pressed about what you were or weren’t able to predict. No one knew who Jon’s real parents were or that he wasn’t a bastard. It was thinking Ned had a kid with his sister that was funny lol. And then the obsession with Dany is just weird, you were even upset Arya called her a killer when that line was actually made fun of because it’s like yeah no shit Arya she just killed the entire city. But you reacted like you didn’t know what she was talking about lol.

Tianabee

Read the books YALL!! ITS BETTER

Dani 💤

https://youtu.be/3xaspBsfgRg

Cec

Wrong R+L=J video 🙈

Cec

Love y’all thought process ❤️. I think what’s going on is people who have re-watched it for years or some who read the books just expected you guys to figure it out. I didn’t figure it out till when they showed us in that one ep. But the fact y’all thought it WAS NED. I think ticked people off but still I don’t blame y’all for not understanding immediately. The books make it waaaay more obvious then the show but the show did try. Overall ITS TIME FOR HOUSE OF THE DRAGON. WE RIDE FOR THE DRAGON QUEEN SOON 🤭

Dani 💤

lol I love y’all reactions but I gotta be forreal, GoT did a great job dropping hints…ppl have been in the comments since episode 1 to “pay attention to dialogue even when it’s scenes you think don’t matter”, “pause when you want to have a convo so you don’t miss something”, for a reason. Like you said everytime Rhaegar was brought up they were always conflicting reports from what ppl thought of him and what ppl who actually knew him thought of him. I didn’t read the books but when I started the show 5 seasons in, my friends said the same thing, pay attention to the dialogue and I wasn’t lost when we got the Tower of Joy scene because of it. Nobody expected you season 1 to think that but the reveal for me was did Rhaegar rape Lyanna or did he he actually love her? that’s why everybody in the comments wild out when y’all thought it was Ned’s.

TC24

also I think them not making rhaegar and lyanna so in ur face was intentional, they sprinkled talks about them across 6 seasons so it would be an explosive reveal (which it was coz I was freaking out😭) and u have to remember the war ended yearssss ago so the characters wouldn't be talking about them like it happened yesterday

Mars

I don't think ppl expected u guys to know who Jon's parents were (most of us didn't know until the reveal happened) it was just the fact u thought it was ned's son that threw ppl off but that's totally okay!!! don't be upset it was fun to watch anyway

Mars

I didn’t read the books or ever suspect that Ned wasn’t Jon’s biological father. However, after they showed the scene with Ned and Lyanna as she was dying, I never thought Ned was his actual father. 🥹 It’s fine though. It was entertaining and I think that’s one of the reasons why people watch you guys. I don’t think it’s anything anyone should get upset about.

Sivan

I never give reactors a hard time - there’s no point. I’m sure you saw comments early on letting you know that there is no such thing as “background talk “in Game of Thrones lol - its a show with many plots and sub plots and every conversation is important. Still you have the right to watch a show without taking notes or using a Westeros map, (I know I didn’t! and I’m not detail oriented AT ALL) but to be honest doing all of those things makes it easier to follow and so does watching the Lore videos. You weren’t expected to know Ned was not Jon’s father the whole time, just after Season 6 episode 10. ☺️

Simone Cherie

In another universe Jon is king by birthright and by popular demand and Samwell is Lord Commander of the nights watch

Simone Cherie

A lot of shows that come from books have to be changed up to fit tv purpose... it happens all the time.. things have to be change to fit timing of shows...... shows wont always go by everything books have... Grrm was supposed to finish the book before the show ended.. it got away from him by helping with the show.. show writers had to finish either way.... and the book still isn't done. There are hints in the book about jon.... grrm gave them the things that he thought he was putting in books after season 5 and they had to write off that instead of the books so I don't really fault them... they don't have the book writers minds.. but regardless they gave us the best show ever made.. even the last season is better than any show. It ended with peace and that's where it should have. The starks were the story from the beginning and it ended with them.. ............... lyana hints were meant to not be in the forefront. Most everyone didn't get it until season 6 10..... the whole purpose was to confuse people and it just shows everything ned did to protect jon was so much more meaningful when it's all put together....its ok, yall didn't get it.. It was just funny with yall so dead set on ned incest was crazy lol thank you for your reactions to this great show.

Abigail Buck

I remember watching this back when Jon's real parents were first revealed and being so hyped. Knowing it didn't amount to shit in the end hurts lol

Tezca