Australia bum me out (Up-Late)
Added 2024-08-21 23:27:42 +0000 UTC
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let's not forget coke-addled corporates
krazeeeyezzkillah
2024-09-03 05:02:12 +0000 UTCIs mislav still buying his dad a plane
Matt
2024-08-27 11:10:04 +0000 UTCCouldn't agree more with the Australia bashing, this place is fucked for fairness and when you say that the response you get is "heh, life's not fair mate" that's not the fuckin point 😂 the only thing socially acceptable is being a footballer or a wife bashing houso, if you strive for anything more your "just an arrogant areshole maaate"
Darien M
2024-08-26 00:20:36 +0000 UTCI would finance mislavs music career if he made the entire pod do a lets play of baulders gate 3
john
2024-08-25 18:41:09 +0000 UTCMoved to USA for software, and it’s crazy that so many people I met and have worked with have tried 1-2 startups. I think it is particularly motivating when people can see disproportionate rewards for success, whether you think that’s good or bad. I reckon try move to uk or us for a year or two, worst case you have another chapter of ur life to look back on, and will appreciate ur current arrangements more. Best case = millionaire.
thomas bowes
2024-08-24 00:09:24 +0000 UTCThanks shwarma FM, what do you guys reckon about doing an "Ali's stock pick" on an occasional basis or whenever he finds a golden nugget
Darien M
2024-08-23 14:00:17 +0000 UTCGreat pods tonight.
Alex Isaac
2024-08-23 08:58:29 +0000 UTCI second this, people love you for your personality Mislav and I'm not sure if that really shows through in your band's social media presence (from what I can tell). I think you and your band should do more personal content that shows your personalities. Like little clips of you hanging out and stuff. In this day and age the music alone doesn't cut it most of the time unfortunately.
Emi
2024-08-23 03:50:38 +0000 UTCMans got his ADHD sorted. That helps a lot
Christopher Jones
2024-08-23 02:22:53 +0000 UTCThe publishing industry in Australia is the most inbred, closed shop, elitist sewer in the world. They all know one another and you only get to advance in the sphere if you meet with their approval - which is fucking never. I was picked up by a Canadian publisher 15 years ago and my best audience resides in America. The attitude of the industry here is, "Go and get famous overseas. Once you do, we'll consider you". It isn't a sure thing though. Americans seem to love Australians and they appreciate Australian fiction writers. Australians are far less open or accepting.
Dean
2024-08-22 17:58:57 +0000 UTCI think you are being reasonable with your views. I think Mislav should definitely go for the working visa and get that in otherwise he will regret it, it's obviously something you're thinking about. You can also do the digital-nomad visa in other countries, South America and most of Asia/SE Asia. Just find something you can do online., like teaching English as a second language. You can get known in non-English speaking countries for your music too, you'd stand out more. The pay wouldn't be as much, but that's true anywhere until you hit critical mass.
Samuel
2024-08-22 10:39:12 +0000 UTCMis the only way of pursuing your music career in the digital age is by becoming one of those social media guitarist assholes. Make cringe 'so relatable' and 'top 10 wackiest solos' type videos for youtube and stream on twitch. Maybe see if you can stream band practice and cut out the best clips and post those as shorts to youtube or even tiktok. Those are just ideas off the top of my head but there's a lot of shit like that you could be doing in terms of self promotion through social media. Not everything will work but you need to be posting fairly consistently to be picked up on these algorithms and you haven't really been pushing anything outside of asking people to stream the album. I think you really gotta try doing all that consistently for like a year or so or just accept that you'll be a local gigs band forever doing random local shows. I really do love the tunes man but I want to give you an honest say, keep at it though man I've noticed an upwards turn in your general vibe since you've been medicated so I think you can actually put your mind properly to this. Much love bro x
Liam Taylor
2024-08-22 09:21:19 +0000 UTCOkay, I don't know them that well tbh, I thought they sounded electronic. So what's the solution? If you were a band manager, how would you promote them? The reason I've made the suggestion in the first post was to point out how hard it would be for a 34 year old, with >10 years of trying, and the (already utilised) benefits of a large Australian podcasters promotion to make it big enough to have a career out of music. At some point, your dreams of greatness have to die if you haven't achieved them by a certain amount of time. It's harsh and unforgiving but it's reality. Otherwise people invest in a falling stock at their own detriment.
Putz
2024-08-22 09:10:15 +0000 UTCThese guys are literally professional yappers & I’m paying them!
scottbars
2024-08-22 09:08:09 +0000 UTCLast time I checked LCD & MGMT play all their instruments incl. guitars it’s basically rock music at that point
scottbars
2024-08-22 08:55:39 +0000 UTCMislav I just want to say I really think you sound noticeably happier in the past few pods. You've changed, man.
Emi
2024-08-22 08:50:34 +0000 UTCOwning a large venue is high-risk yes. A smaller mixed-use venue in the right location is more adaptable. Running a venue carries reputational risk but not financial. And when was LCD sound systems first hit song? 2007... A totally different business model and the exact same situation as MGMT as I said above regarding their loyal audience. Also, both examples (MGMT & LCD sound system) are electronic music, not rock and or roll, which tends to promote the front-man, with electronic musicians being more anonymous in my subjective opinion.
Putz
2024-08-22 08:49:18 +0000 UTClol running events/venues is often riskier & less profitable than being a musician, especially today. Also LCD Soundsystem’s James Murphy released his first song in his 30’s, his band is now one of the biggest in America
scottbars
2024-08-22 08:37:28 +0000 UTCHoly shit. Just to put out a rare FJ womans perspective on the sex vs. chemistry talk. I'm married a B:B because I knew he was the one, after an extensive search. Even though I've never given it any thought, everything you guys hit me in the feels hard. It's all true. If you find an A:A then put a ring on it, but hey a B:B is good enough and if the chemistry half if good you can work on the sex half. In my experience it doesn't work the other way around.
Ash
2024-08-22 06:48:55 +0000 UTCI think Mislav should do something different and tour British Columbia and Nova Scotia.
Jesse Lawrence-Brown
2024-08-22 05:57:03 +0000 UTCMislav is so on point with the "good sex talk". Once you've been with a masochist or just a crazy chic, it's so hard not to think that that is what sex should be like.
Samuel
2024-08-22 05:38:37 +0000 UTCWhat was the song/band at the start dudes? That was mint.
Samuel
2024-08-22 05:24:15 +0000 UTCI'd counter with a few points... Most bands have an audience of their own ages as the content is relatable. When people hit late 20s they generally stagnate in their era and stop searching for new music, buy less music, go out to gigs and festivals less as they have responsibilities that weren't present in their early 20s. MGMT became massively successful worldwide and have the industry behind them because they are a nostalgic drawcard for millennials wanting to relive their golden days. If they didn't have that momentum behind them, it would be nearly impossible to get visibility these days. They are an outlier. Mislavs had a good exposure via friendlyjordies, and either: 1) the market didn't respond because they didn't like it enough. (Your point about making a good product). 2) the band wasn't promoted enough outside of the podcast. But this would be assuaged by a manager who thought their art was marketable. I like some of mislavs music and lack of commercial success is not a reflection on his talent, but it's very heavily influenced by Mac Demarco, and sort of grungy like the Vines... Sounds like 100 other Aussie bands that are all trying to do the same thing with similarly poor commercial success.
Putz
2024-08-22 05:07:12 +0000 UTCi understand this mentality, but it also doesn't always apply. it's a conservative view on a music career for a 34yo. one of my favourite bands is mgmt and they're releasing huge hits whilst both band members are 41yo. i understand they made it big in their young 20's, but i wasn't listening to them then. music is less label based and therefore less reliant on youth, unless you want to release like super sex symbol music haha it helps if you're looking like you're in your prime. i think the sound of your song wins these days, most bands run themselves like a small businesses so you just have to make sure you're making a good product like a bakery or shoe store. i actually think the main issue these days is that there is just no money in it because of streaming services. mostly the top 1% are getting the big bucks from hard copy sales like vinyl.
meow meow
2024-08-22 04:37:48 +0000 UTCHey Bros. Rippa, pod. I really felt this I’m currently trying to transition my career from carpentry to furniture making and joinery. I have always been a creative and the current building industry is so devoid of opportunity for genuine creativity or craftsmanship. I am consistently met with negativity amongst my peers for perusing this avenue. The most logical avenue is to go from carpenter to builder/used car salesman/ con man. Gate keepers are across every industry feeling the need to protect their own interests and push those who fit their mould or culture to the top. Case in point, I cannot buy furniture grade timber direct from local suppliers as I am not a full time furniture maker/joiner instead I have to order it through timber yards and cop their percentage placed on-top. Essentially inflating my input costs to that higher of others already in the industry. I think the root cause of this is the Australian dream. People are told here to finish school, get a job, save your money, buy a house, keep working to pay it off and hopefully you have enough super to retire. And if you strive to achieve this your existence is bleak and truely fucking unremarkable. People are so stuck to this idea that they feel resentful of others trying to carve their own path. Wow long as fuck comment, but what Jordan has accomplished is truely inspiring to me. It serves as an example of how nurturing a passion and great commitment can result in success. For this reason I really value his self help as it truely does come from a genuine relatable place.
Purce
2024-08-22 02:23:10 +0000 UTCDo the Aussie Molly meldrum
Jane Harris
2024-08-22 01:49:58 +0000 UTCGo to London Mis, fully commit 6 months or so and at least you can feel content knowing you tried + British misadventures for the pod would be great
Mat
2024-08-22 01:01:08 +0000 UTCExactly! Trump is covertly fighting the evil zionazis, that’s why he had Baghdadi killed - he knew he was secretly a Jew - it’s actually the Jews that tried to kill Trump, look it up bro. Snowden and Iranian intelligence also said the US is run by tall grey aliens (I’m pretty sure it’s just Jews in disguise though) https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america/
Wilma
2024-08-22 00:47:20 +0000 UTCYou're gonna have to rename the episode to, "bro, that's crazy". Edit: advice for Mislav... And I'm not going to hold back... You're ~35 years old. How many musicians make it big after 30?... Barely any. You've also had a lot of exposure via friendlyjordies but haven't cracked the scene. I would go back to uni or Tafe and study something around event/venue management with a goal of opening/running a venue that supports live music as you guys were just complaining about the lack of support for the industry mannnn. Keep your music as a hobby and take gigs if they're offered, but I'd be giving-up on the dream of a career as a musician as it seems to be sucking up a lot of time, energy, and emotional resources. You've been in a sunk-cost situation with your music for about 10 years, and the small bumps of fame are not sustainable in the long run. Keep doing the podcast and writing for Jordan, but you need another outlet and occupation with the potential for growth that will give you purpose and meaning. Good luck.
Putz
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2024-08-22 00:07:42 +0000 UTC
