Albo's Woes (Audio Only)

Im not sure if alis posting the pics or im not finding them because i hear quite often that photos will get uploaded to the patreon but i never see them, are they actually being posted?

Cam Greenwood

Relax, this isn't reddit. I am a paying patreon and agree with like 90% of your takes. Even the Biden one I agree with. And I am not arguing in bad faith like some twitter user trying to 'own' you. You are right, that is a bad faith way of arguing demanding a source for everything but I don't believe that is applicable to this context where I think it is fair we are both arguing in good faith, otherwise I wouldn't be giving you money. Still a stretch to claim people want him in just because they haven't spoken publicly out against him, for which there is hundreds of reasons why someone who might prefer Kamala would not speak out. https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/two-thirds-of-democrats-want-joe-biden-to-drop-out-of-the-presidential-race-its-time-he-listened/, boom, there is a source claiming it's 2 thirds not '37'. I personally believe Kamala is more marketable to undecided voters and I don't believe Biden is capable of garnering new voters. Maybe you are right in saying that it is purely because of media manipulation, but I also feel the Biden campaign wasn't exactly doing a crash hot job. I would argue the current press sec of the whitehouse, Jean-Pierre has made more gaffs than Biden which has probably tanked him more in the eyes of the media. I still personally believe, purely as a younger candidate, Kamala has more to gain than Biden and I don't feel I've seen a good argument against that yet. While I hope that she effectively continues BIden policy making, with the only change being hopefully less rampantly zionist and softer on the border.

Lachlan Hall

This is the style of Labor politician that really gets me hard

Dr. Wankenstein 2.0

Could you guys talk about Steven Miles and the absolutely ballsy policies he's trying to pull in Queensland? He seems determined that if the mining council is going to run adds against him he'll just propose to do insane stuff like open a state run petrol station alternative to the corporate ones.

Barial

if biden stayed, it wouldve been Carter v Reagan all over again if the corporate tax increase talk is right. And we all know how that ended.

Burcey B

It's just a really scummy way of arguing and I know how it goes. You're not the first to not provide shit but demand a source for everything I say despite it being very easy to look up yourself which means I have to trot out every one of my sources, spend time and effort finding them all for you to not even consider it as a point. Just dismiss it as unimportant because it doesn't suit you and even worse immediately be dishonest about it by saying "there's a myriad of conflicting answers" There's not. There's a very public list of the 37 that wanted him to go out of the 273 sitting members https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-2024-race-democrats-who-want-him-to-step-aside/. But you don't care. You won't even acknowledge your own comments when they're still in this thread, you reduce an entire paragraph to "oh all I said was the progressive wing is a minority". Dismissing everything surrounding what wasn't even the central point of your ramblings because it's no longer convenient to you. There's just no point talking to people like you, you just like being oppositional, snarky and argumentative for the sake of it.

Jordan Shanks

My cousin, who rubs the local anarchist book club, does not want trump to win.

George

Asking for evidence of a statistic you pulled up isn't ramblings

Lachlan Hall

Ok well this is mostly ramblings, deliberately not acknowledging what you were saying and deliberately misrepresenting what I'm saying so as usual there's no point in engaging

Jordan Shanks

Regarding that '85%' state, a quick google search shows a myriad of conflicting answers. The Australia Institute claims 2 thirds wanted him in, but the Washington post claims more than half and 2/3 of voters wanted him out. Hence my point it's vibe based, because the polls are so often wrong.

Lachlan Hall

What? Acknowledging I was wrong in regards to my understanding of the size of the progressive caucus is bad? Could you maybe prove that 85% of federal sitting members wanted to continue Biden? You didn't give any stats. This whole thing just ultimately feels vibe based and the only way we can really see any proof is either after the DNC or post- election. What do you specifically think Kamala is worse at than Biden that would create a loss for the democrats?

Lachlan Hall

The rationale I’ve heard for JD Vance (from the author of “The Case for Trump”) is that all Trump needs to do is win 2 of the 3 rust belt swing states. Or even just PA. The idea is that few ppl can reach rust belt folks better than Vance. And Trump’s base doesn’t always show up to vote (e.g., 2021 senate run-off elections in Georgia).

Hill Billy

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Hill Billy

Hahahaha that's your best defence of your paragraph?

Jordan Shanks

Yeah, you’re right. I didn’t read up on the facts. I just assumed whatever group Bernie was in was a minority.

Lachlan Hall

This is just factually untrue. This whole comment. It's based off of nothing.

Jordan Shanks

"How obsessed" is a 5 second comment, dude I am crazy obsessed, maybe I should make a 40 minute youtube video on it.

Lachlan Hall

Brother I will actually pay you money to subscribe to another Patreon. You don't have to write an essay under every podcast brother. It genuinely makes me sad seeing how obsessed you are with these 3 blokes talking on a couch for 2 hours. No one here genuinely wants to here your takes dude, sorry but it's just the truth

Pyros Car

"85% of elected federal members wanted him at the head" "The elected federal member who was most for him was also speaking out against him" "Wow so you're proving my point?" lmao, to be fair I think we can truly know who was correct after the DNC. You made valid points about the progressive caucus, but I think they were more just hedging their bets rather than actually genuinely preferring one candidate over the other, also the prog caucus is a MAJOR minor faction in the DP, claiming their indicative of the rest of the party is like claiming the soft left is indicative of the entire Labor party.

Lachlan Hall

Incredible, you can both believe everyone is simultaneously stupid but also not voting based off of shallow identity politics. Obama literally won because "I'm black!", similarly, most the genocide Joe crowd *want* to believe that Kamala might be different so they would be at least slightly more likely to vote for her, an unknown entity, compared to Biden, a great president but strong Zionist. Also you dumb cunt, I used the word "take" in the definition of "gain control of" not "someone's opinion", re-read that sentence lol

Lachlan Hall

exactly the points you would expect from someone who uses words like "take" and "cognitive dissonance". Can't even see the cognitive dissonance of arguing that people will vote for a woman because they're campaigning on abortion even though your point is completely mooted by the mid term results but also argues that the "genocide joe" crowd will vote for "genocide joe's" deputy. Just as usual garbled nonsense based off of nothing.

Jordan Shanks

I think he's also massively misunderstanding how many people weren't going to vote due to the whole "Genocide Joe" narrative.

Lachlan Hall

I can actively hear the cognitive dissonance in Jordan's voice. "Run on abortion and fascist take over and they win", and who would be a better spokes-person on abortion rights Jordan? An old white man or a younger black woman? The answer is pretty clear.

Lachlan Hall

Holy Ali, hit the nail right on the head! It's young v old. And most the old are already locked in, younger folk aren't.

Lachlan Hall

Again he had the support of the latino, black, progressive and union bases of the party. The media might have made it out to be this "grass roots movement to get rid of Biden" but it factually was not. Politics always "rapidly changes" there's a few fundamentals that don't. Incumbancy advantage is one of those fundamentals.

Jordan Shanks

https://youtube.com/@auspolexplained?si=xVTcpWTDdfemRrrc Jordan I think you should show this guy off on the main channel, he's esstially teaching younger Australians how voting, politics works in Australia

Josh Copley

There wasn't even a caucus for the Democrats this year. They basically just said to their base, "shut up, you're getting Biden for another term because we theorise that there's an incumbency advantage even though politics has rapidly changes in the last decade or two"... Until the debate. Now they've (democratic heavyweights) put Harris up and no one is challenging... Unity. If someone else was challenging and they rigged it I would agree with you, but no one else has put their hand up as far as I know.

Putz

Point ignored yet again and replaced with "take the L" but no. The polls are a reflection of the endless positive media coverage Kamala's been getting, the end of a 4 year long narrative that Joe Biden's too old combigned with the usual sugar hit that a new leader gets. Truly remarkable if you think public opinion isn't manufactured.

Jordan Shanks

Use whatever word you like. I stand by it's fucked that this is now not even a secret, that it's proudly touted as a great thing that a few mega donors have the power to topple a sitting president that won a primary and had the vast majority of his party in his corner. You don't seem to think that. I don't agree. No as I have explained multiple times now he was a compromise candidate that the donor class and the base agreed upon which made him a particularly skilled politician. Mmmm nah I've actually done things and accomplished outcomes. I'm not one of them. Oh. So if I disagree with you I'm automatically incorrect and I should be humbled in the presence of your mighty intellect, because unlike me you're never wrong is that how this goes?

Jordan Shanks

No I didn't, I said that it's not a conspiracy or a coup. Corporate interests are going to support whoever they want to and put money behind them. If you think putting money behind a popular candidate is a corporate coup then that term has lost its meaning. Of course the Dems have closed door conversations with donors who will affect the candidates, but that ain't a coup. It's called getting a budget for advertising. The Dems are responsible for balancing those conflicts. And are you saying Biden was not a corporate backed, next in line, stitch up from the democrats last election? He was basically installed by the party in 2020. Sounds like you're describing yourself a bit there with the whinging YouTuber dig. Also, you're not always right and everyone else (including most of your hardcore-supporter patreon audience apparently) is wrong so have some humility... and you display many of the self-righteous attitudes that are exactly the type of Redditor you seem to hate.

Putz

Jeez take the L. The fact that the polls have gone up indicate it was a very popular choice to replace him. Or are the polls just of the democratic elite too?

Putz

black wing, progressive wing, trade unions and latino wing of the democrats all supporting Biden = grass roots campaign to out him? Apparently a couple of youtubers who don't understand the intricacies of governing and make a living off of proffessional whinging is grass roots now got it. You also go on to deny that there was a corporate coup and then go on to argue that there was a corporate coup

Jordan Shanks

Yeah just ignore the point, reinforce mine unintentionally but still think you're right. Classic Lachlan

Jordan Shanks

Piggybacking on this comment so he sees it... 1. The mainstream media only turned against Biden after the debate. 2. For fucking years, the democratic party and institution held Biden up as their man, and cognitively unimpaired. He only pulled out after the Democratic Party elite started to publicly criticize him (Inc Obama). 3. The corporate money rolling in is not some dark conspiracy or "corporate coup". They will put their money behind, A) an ELECTABLE candidate B) someone who fulfils their interests of which a huge part is being able to win an election. 4. Getting Biden out was first and foremost a grass-roots campaign. Among the more progressive and younger democrats, who were disenfranchised, Biden wasn't seen to be offering them anything (rightly or wrongly). There's huge lessons for the Labor party if they can be bothered to sift through the ashes... Unlikely because the ALP is usually fucking hopeless at the art of politics.

Putz

Another incredibly poor taste take from Jordan. Armidale is a beautiful town with great food and a wonderful river running through it. There are incredible nature walks all within an hour of the town and it has everything you would need in a rural town, and it's cheaper than Sydney.

Lachlan Hall

Even Nancy Pelosi was quietly speaking out against Biden. Jordan is living proof of the sunk cost fallacy.

Lachlan Hall

You're factually wrong on your own metric that you pretend is my metric. 85% of elected federal members of the democrats wanted him at the head of the ticket.

Jordan Shanks

Jordan I'm unsure whether the donor class pushed Biden out the door but it was incredibly clear to see Biden had become too old to run as president again. Hopefully Kamala may follow similar policies as Biden has, but considering the growing support she has it seems like the correct option considering trump would've been far more destructive to the state of the nation and for climate change

Marc

Jordan, normally staunchly in favor of party power, now furious that a party worked to replace its leader ahead of an election. Very cranky. Gamble responsibly kids

-thundergolfer-

Shut the fuck up

Natalie

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