BPD (Up-Late)
Added 2023-01-05 10:36:55 +0000 UTCComments
Hey guys loved the pod, im studying psychology at the University of Southern Queensland and am working as a disability support worker part time. With deppression I wanted to say something interesting that is been looked at recently is how environmental factors in someone's life thatre deppressing can actually in some cases then can with enough severity cause chemical imbalances in someone's brain. which then in certain cases even if their environment improves, these people especially if genetically predisposed to deppression, can still maintain that chemical imbalance which is simply not something that they can improve without medication from a psychiatrist. But like dealing with people who have had these chemical imbalances, its sometimes genuinely scary, like when your with someone and they are not rational adjusted people with logical thought patterns. Theyre literally breaking objects around the room and trying to harm themselves, even one of my friends who was one of these unbalanced people and even though they're career was successful. they had a healthy romantic relationship, really going somewhere in life and like genetics fucked them up to the point that the only thing that could stop them from being hospitalized and return them to normality was anti deppressants which took months to work and only like a full year later are they finally reaching some stability. so yeah i just wanted to comment to let you lads know sometimes there just situations where environment doesn't matter, that imbalance is very real and deppression can make someone extremely impulse, dangerous to themselves and others and its not at all the same as where someone says theyre deppressed because theyre feeling sad. and its sort of unfortunate that society has given people the freedom to make the judgement that theyre deppressed so casually as it down plays cases of severe deppression which can take peoples lives. my great grandpa actually killed himself and had a history with deppression, he was going to kill his wife and kid too but his wife aparantly talked him out of it. anyways guys a longtime listener and longtime fan just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. keep up the good work, - James.
James Warburton
2023-01-27 11:34:24 +0000 UTCye this sum bs
Burcey B
2023-01-14 08:50:09 +0000 UTCFuck. I've got some self reflection to do. I hope it's even a little bit as profound as Jordans. Great Up-late.
Nick Johnson
2023-01-12 10:33:35 +0000 UTCAustralia is already stupid enough, need more focus on achievement than it currently has. As is said often on the pod, without Australia’s resource wealth it’d be fucked.
-thundergolfer-
2023-01-10 23:27:25 +0000 UTCOne of the best up lates in years. Thanks Jordies and Ali!
Jess Teagan
2023-01-10 07:06:49 +0000 UTCSo I have Borderline Personality Disorder I can tell ya its fkd, for me its too unsafe for me to work though I can help my elderly neighbors, I dont trust anything, I dont believe anything is real and frankly its scary also my mind tends to what refer to as 'blanking', Once I was getting ready to go to the shops and then everything went black and end up in Aldi with a bunch of people looking at me it was very embarrassing. I'll say theres alot of people who clearly just have the BPD label because the Psych found its just easier to label them BPD, I know you guys dont think much of Anxiety disorders but I have the diagnosis of Severe Anxiety which is to be expected when you dont know whats real, also makes life very lonely I can tell ya.
Nathan Lattimer
2023-01-10 04:49:38 +0000 UTCReading
Bill Shoal
2023-01-09 21:18:14 +0000 UTCMan I wish I could join in on this conversations. My partner has also not experienced depression and struggles to understand it. I am terribly at articulating in written words. I'd love to be able to explain it to you Ali. But in the end unless u actually experienced it then u will still struggles to understand it. Everyone's experienced of depression is different.
Sugns eissac
2023-01-09 04:09:10 +0000 UTCHey guys got a question for the pod. Please read I’d love some advice. So met a girl at the club, we spoke abit got to know each other and a few days later I took her out on a date. I’m very into her and the interest is reciprocated. But there are 3 big issues I’m trying to grapple. 1st is that she’s here from Korea for a year living in Sydney and I live in Canberra. 2nd is that her English is still poor (I liken it to talking to my Italian grandmother) and we can have good conversation enough to hold it and go on a date, but I think we’re finding it hard to explain our feelings to each other. 3rd is I’m 23 and she’s 31 - this isn’t really a problem for me (coz I’m slaying cougar puss) but I think it could be something that might impact if this went long term. Just want to get your thoughts and opinions. Long time patron and massive fans of all your guys work (inclusive of Forrest Hall)
Phil McKraken
2023-01-08 12:28:10 +0000 UTCAnother awesome pod boys! I suffer from regular sleep paralysis, it trips me out when people say they've rarely/never experienced it. I often wake up with my face in my pillow and can't move for what feels like minutes, completely concious but unable to move or breathe. I definitely see why people in the past thought it was a malevolent being sitting on your chest 😅 People like to think of your waking and sleeping states as your brain being switched on and off. But it's more like two seperate switches that do independent things at different times. The problem with brains like mine is they like to flick both switches at once..
Jaakob
2023-01-08 03:55:42 +0000 UTCAlso so nice to hear Ali telling Jordan why he loves him. It’s hard for us guys to do sometimes so it’s always nice to hear. Still extremely gay though.
Alex
2023-01-07 08:56:50 +0000 UTCThis was such a good episode. The primary question stuff is fascinating, I dug right into it after you did an Up Late on it last year and it was honestly so helpful. More of this sort of stuff on the Up Late please!
Alex
2023-01-07 08:44:11 +0000 UTCIncredible, super interesting and really fucked with my head forcing myself to look for these in my own life. Great to have you back Jimmie’s and keep it up
Jordan Shanks
2023-01-07 07:06:28 +0000 UTCim listening to this in parts. touching on the astral projection/ tripping balls etc. i read a book a few years ago that interviews monk status individuals who have meditated for 10,000+ hours and they had them take acid, which they'd never done before and they all said that it had the same effect as reaching that ultimate zen state. they described acid and mushrooms or astral projection in this instance as a crash course in meditation but obviously the down side being that without that 10,000 hours of training/ guidance it can be a traumatizing experience for a lot of people and defeat the purpose of meditation.
Teisha
2023-01-07 06:15:46 +0000 UTCalso yeah bpd parents really fuck up your ability to receive/ accept love but make you really fucking good at giving it because it validates that inner voice that's just whatever parent made you feel not good enough
Teisha
2023-01-07 00:34:07 +0000 UTCPS. the way our culture focuses on achievement rather than emotional intelligence and relational education is fkd
Teisha
2023-01-07 00:31:42 +0000 UTCmy sister bought me that book for my birthday and it's next on my reading list. im really looking forward to it too. my mum has suspected bpd along with a plethora of other issues. she had a messed up childhood too and then had kids young without any self reflection and really fucked mine and my siblings brains up with all the physical and mental abuse. yoga/ meditation/ self help books and psycho therapy saved my brain and possible future children for the better. i also really have a strong drive to be a child/ adolescent psychologist because i know how integral that stage is and obviously lived experience = empathy. i'd also prefer to work in lower socioeconomic areas. "darkness is through which the light enters" - rumi
Teisha
2023-01-07 00:28:21 +0000 UTCCheeko shook
Nicko1wicko
2023-01-07 00:21:49 +0000 UTCthis fucked with my head , question tho what is mind exercise ?
oddball8
2023-01-06 09:41:41 +0000 UTCJordan, your family thinking your obnoxious/arrogant is a sign they don't understand the implications of having strongly held principles. I think you're probably the type of person who steadfastly holds the truth as the highest ideal above familial and tribal ties which in my opinion is admirable. You're rising above self-centred motives into a truly egalitarian way of navigating through the world and if more people were this way the world would be a much better place to live. The downside to being principled is you'll lose friends as you're not willing to placate them. Also Ali, you're a legend and I put you in the same league as Jordan in terms of morality. You're a hard worker and a gentleman.
Putz
2023-01-06 07:37:01 +0000 UTCI loved this pod guys. These sort of discussions you guys have, along with the Jordan shanks channel have changed my life in such a profound way. Ali, I’m very happy I got the chance to meet you at the show in Launceston (me and my girlfriend were the ones travelling from Armidale) and Jordan I hope I get the chance to thank you face to face one day for providing me such a profound shift in paradigm and outlook in my life. Keep up the good work fellas. I think what you do is even more important than you realise.
Max humphrey
2023-01-06 05:29:33 +0000 UTCWe were promised Ali’s depressing New Years story
Tom
2023-01-06 02:16:40 +0000 UTCSo much to go over, it sounds like Jordan just reads the psychology information to affirm his world view, which I thought he read both ends of an argument, in this case of mental illness, I know he skirts around anything other than BPD and depression, but brain scans show different neurological paths for autistic, ADHD diagnosed people. Ignoring science seems odd for Jordan also. So I hope when he gets to the self help show that he doesn't just confirm his Jordan Peterson style thinking. It's happened before with red pilling about other information so I can hope it changes.
Alex Isaac
2023-01-06 00:57:08 +0000 UTCHey guys, more specifically Jordan Listen to the song Mother by John Lennon
Garth Volbeck
2023-01-05 23:39:07 +0000 UTCI really want to read this book. I'm a witch in a more traditional sense. I just summon wild birds at my will. Defos would have been burnt at the stake back in the day 🤣 Also everyone needs to stress wank. Without it you'll be batshit crazy.
Megan Elphinstone
2023-01-05 21:22:53 +0000 UTCThis episode was super interesting and a favourite uplate of mine. Glad jimmies had a peaceful time off. I study psychology at uni and in case anyone wants to read it, I want to add some information on mental illness stuff. I am in two minds about the mental illness as a myth. I think the internet is increasing adhd type tendencies in brains and that pathological internet use is worse for neurotic people. I also think a poorly lived life is bad for mental health but a lot of mental illness comes from personality traits. Jordan Peterson says mental illness comes from neuroticism, on average women are more neurotic because they potentially have to look after a baby in their lifetime. Its like being hard wired to make sure your baby doesn't fall out of the its chair and hit its head, and to be on the look out for that all the time. So generally you're anxious of bad things happening all the time. Even without a baby you'll still have the symptoms if you're high in neuroticism. Those kind of "boss bitch" female types are usually a little lower in neuroticism and agreeableness, which kind of makes them able to compete with the men higher up in a company where it is more competitive and higher in conflict. These women aren't scared of conflict and feel less compassion so they're more business minded than maternal wired women. Business can be like cut throat i guess and on average women avoid conflict due to higher agreeableness and neuroticism scores. Anyway, If you're high in neuroticism you feel more negative emotions, anxiety and depression symptoms. There are also neurotic men but it is on average lower in men. If you are high in neuroticism you kind of have like a foundation for a mental illness disorder that hasn't been activated yet and then you just need a poor environment or traumatic event to awaken the disorder. For example I don't think Jimmies is very neurotic based on his stoic behaviour through the firebombing and all the media bitching about him. He had a terrible childhood by the sounds of it, but because he seems less neurotic he was probably less likely to develop a disorder from this upbringing. Disorders such as narcissism kind of comes about with personality traits too, high extraversion and disagreeableness scores put you at a greater chance of having narcissistic tendencies. Narcissistic tendencies are also created by parents that make kids feel too special, but these usually end up being covert narcissists. BPD women are like the anti-social types of women. They tend to stand out because on average women are agreeable and neurotic like a kind of typical mother, whereas the BPD women are more disagreeable, volatile (reactive and emotional less unstable). Some have some of those narcissistic tendencies also. Also sorry last thing in your genetics there's things called alleles and if you have short ones you're also more prone to experiencing traumatic events as worse than people with long alleles.
meow meow
2023-01-05 13:59:25 +0000 UTC
