Godspeed (Up-Late)
Added 2022-07-07 05:51:14 +0000 UTC
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Hi Jordan, Ali and Mis, reckon Jimmies could, instead of sinking millions into an overinflated Sydney architecturally designed mansion market, get his hands on a massive farm and homestead in Southern Queensland for the same price. With a property like that Jords could use regenerative agriculture practices he stands by such as wholistic rotational grazing and natural sequence farming, he could be the Gen-X Tony Coote who founded the Mulloon Institute. All the meat you eat from the farm you can ensure lived a happy/healthy life, was killed humanely and contributed to carbon sequestration. You could grow all the lettuce you would ever need! The Joke Corp Ltd Pty factory workers could buy houses in nearby towns for $200-400k or their own larger properties and regions like the South Burnett are only one and a half hours drive from K Rudd’s pad, another possible investor in the venture being a farm boy himself. Anyways, keep on the regenerative ag train, fighting the good fight. Cheers.
Kai Wood-Willems
2022-07-19 08:05:00 +0000 UTCglad I became a patron to hear you guys talk about Morrissey, the only good smiths song is how soon is now though.
Char Porter
2022-07-19 02:05:15 +0000 UTCAli is so harsh on Broke forever, it’s my favourite Forrest Hall song and a constant top 5 in my Spotify playlists.
Hayden Powell
2022-07-17 12:12:01 +0000 UTCTotally agree art losing it's joy once it becomes a product I am in the process of going from the 9 to 5 guy to a guy who has business for his art and I feel this pull to produce art that will fit with my brand rather then pure expression as it existed before
Isaac
2022-07-17 09:57:22 +0000 UTCI just watched Elvis and I completely disagree. That narrative was powerful, I could feel the story completely, I cried, which a movie hasn’t done for me in a long time. The actor portrayed his pain so well, it really dramatised the plight of the modern man.
George
2022-07-12 11:20:02 +0000 UTC@wagonlord the system isn't letting me respond What's good and what's not is very subjective, I think older people are more educated, but they're also more jaded. South Park had a good episode on this; new music sounds like shit because you get older. Now that I’m in my 30s, I constantly challenge myself to listen to new music; if I think something is shit, I actively try to listen to it to understand what is appealing. Except for country music. Fuck commercial country music. I never liked it before, and I never will. The risk isn’t consequential; as an artist, you’re always going to evolve, sometimes you’ll reminisce, but what’s most important is your raison d’etre. As long as a guiding signature is behind the art, people will run away and flock to your art, but establishing legitimacy is essential. It’s like learning an art form; you learn the rules, master them, and then learn how to break them. Becoming famous and developing a following is mastering the rules. In saying that, evolving an already established commodity is incredibly difficult and requires a lot of grit. An audience’s needs must be addressed; it’s an unspoken contract and obligation. It can be quickly addressed by throwing them a bone now and then, haha. I agree, and I was complicit in that. Many international acts inspire Baker Boy to swap between indigenous and English in his raps. Still, It’s elevated their art to a higher form because of that diversity in references. The art is good because it enables their storytelling. Time will develop it further until it becomes homogenised; experimentation will need to expand it again. I like the concept of Triple J; they fuck up, but it’s the best mainstream choice we’ve got, and I think we’re very privileged for that in this country. Not many other countries have a radio station like that, and not everyone has the time or space to go crate-digging beyond the major labels’ market domination. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with American inspiration, as long as there are other sources of inspiration. In regards to Ali's hypothetical, I've mostly got out. The lockout laws made it hard enough, but then the lockdowns happened, and I saw the writing on the wall and pivoted. I was lucky enough to apply what I learned from music to manufacturing startups in MedTech, critical minerals and next-generation solar. I haven't made music for myself since the first year of covid. Making music doesn't bring me joy anymore, just mournfulness for the dream I lost. I'm much more comfortable now, but my passion manifests in trying to make these companies successful. I had a few experiences that ticked my bucket list, but I still wish I had the opportunity to play at a stadium. I now manage a younger musician who was originally a student, I saw many of my flaws in him, so I’m helping him overcome them and living vicariously.
George
2022-07-12 04:03:03 +0000 UTCWHERES THE ALEX JONES CROSSOVER
Lee_Harding_Oswald
2022-07-11 05:45:52 +0000 UTCSlav - hurry up and finish the album so you can begin work on the Forrest Hall trap mixtape.
Leo Roboto
2022-07-10 13:43:52 +0000 UTCCan you lads talk about Dutton touring in the US and could potentially see a US-style culture war nonsense dominating our airwaves? He’s definitely consulting with the Koch funded institutions
Burcey B
2022-07-10 07:10:32 +0000 UTCI wanna see Mislav Ramsey in Muslim Dad’s Halal Takeaway interview Dave from Dave’s Dinnerz. Me sick. Me want video now
Luke Day
2022-07-10 05:58:01 +0000 UTCreally resonated with first half of pod as a muslim from western sydney that married at 23 christianity has the fall of man linked to temptation, and sexual desire is regarded as something that should be tamed or struggled against. the past one hundred years of europe have been a rebellion against this social stigma on sex. even though religious belief is largely gone, this spirit of rebellion and free sex is like the modus operandi for most of society in islam however there is a celebration of sexual desire and its fulfilment, albeit within the framework of marriage to preserve responsiblties to children and the family unit. this has poor crossover into western society like Ali says, as its an individualist culture here and that shit doesn't matter like it does in the third world, where your welfare system is your family
josh F
2022-07-09 13:15:41 +0000 UTCHey Mis, out of curiosity, how much (if any) do you make from Spotify streams? More or less than Onlyfans?
Will Toth
2022-07-09 10:10:35 +0000 UTCSo Bill Mayer is just paraphrasing Patrice O'neal about a women's nature and modern feminists acting like men and being miserable. RIP the GOAT.
warney91 warne
2022-07-09 08:35:20 +0000 UTCHeyo! As the unofficially nominated uplate sexologist, I would like to expand upon your discussion in this pod. When you guys spoke about female orgasm, Jordan mentioned how psychologically women can turn off their orgasm because they felt the surroundings or partner they were with was not worthy of said orgasm. Orgasm has been linked to ovulation in the past. So as evolution evolved, the connection between this and then conceiving has pretty much been written completely in confirmation bias. This is not true as many couples with fertility issues can still enjoy orgasm and not fall pregnant. There. Now you know something. Bandmole ✌🏼
Megan Elphinstone
2022-07-09 02:41:45 +0000 UTCI want the kang, the dome kang
Knotted
2022-07-09 02:28:28 +0000 UTCIt’d be dope right?
George
2022-07-08 15:37:19 +0000 UTCLife before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination. Happiness isn’t an emotion, it’s a choice you have to make every day. Joy, satisfaction, contentment, Euphoria, etc. are not happiness, don’t conflate them. They contribute to it, but you need misery to qualify those experiences.
George
2022-07-08 15:35:50 +0000 UTCHear, hear
George
2022-07-08 15:16:35 +0000 UTCI agree, but it’s also difficult to redefine your art once it’s an established product. It takes an immense degree of confidence and mindful distance. Your art is now a commodity, therefore it’s audience’s needs have to be addressed. Progress is iterative, that’s why so many artists find freedom within new projects, and establishing an end to old projects, I.e childish gambino. Stagnation is a choice, not an inevitability.
George
2022-07-08 15:10:39 +0000 UTCIt is entirely subjective though. There's a difference between "hiding" vocals, and putting them behind other instrumentation for creative purposes. Mislav isn’t hiding his vocals, I can hear the lyrics clearly enough if I choose to listen into them. Vocals can have an eerie, almost ghost-like quality when mixed behind other instrumentation, as if they're just another creature in a forest of noise. Sometimes it even adds flair to an album when vocals intermittently go in and out of being audible; you know there are words happening but you have to figure out which ones. What some may consider a flaw others will consider a feature that adds relistenability to an album. I actually hate vocals in modern music – why are their voices so clear, it enters uncanny valley for my autistic little brain. Australia used to have a great poetry scene, but *sniffs* “the poetry scene’s changed man”. Lyrics in modern Australian music suck so much. I’m a Brissy boy, sometimes I flick on 4zzz, and they dribble the most banal shit. Triple J is no better. Oh and how can I forget “I’m on smokoooo”. Yeah, what a real contribution to the arts scene that was... I advocate making music entirely for the chinstrokers, because “the people are retarded” – artists are meant to push in their own direction, not obsequiously follow trends from 20 years ago. Australian art rarely does this, our two main attitudes towards art are either “I can substitute cooky and weird silliness for having actual talent”, or “arts and literature is for poofs”. It explains why the only acts to break out internationally in the past decade were tame impala or king gizzard; not bad by any means, but both of them appeal enough to the ‘rock’ scene that they were able to leave this purgatorial hell. Sure, most ‘artists’ are happy being famous in their bumfuck towns, but it’s sad to think of how many albums like “Out of the Hospital and Into the Morgue” are going to be ignored here because they don’t cater towards an extremely generic Australian market. Went off on a tangent, but I’ll leave with a quote from a friend when I was discussing this: “It feels like Australia is simultaneously on the precipice of a great renaissance and about to bury its creativity in an unmarked grave. Time will tell. But because of this hesitance to cultivate a literary/creative arts scene for decades now, we will never be able to catch up to, let alone keep pace with the international market, which is mainly dictated by American trends and interests”.
Wagon Lord
2022-07-08 09:15:55 +0000 UTCI think the enjoyment comes from the growth/contribution of a creative endeavour rather than the creative endeavour itself.. That’s why it feels great at first, but once someone becomes proficient/successful, they can stagnate. It becomes harder to grow as you get over the learning curve. From this perspective, you can see why business people aspire to grow indefinitely.. perhaps that’s where their purpose comes from The initial joy of building proficiency in a skill dissipates, but the joy of spreading the value of that skill through business doesn’t, until a point where you reach a market cap, I guess
chewbacca
2022-07-08 08:37:51 +0000 UTCAs an expansion on the mixdown comment, it's not subjective. If you want to be famous, make the vocals louder. One of my mentors gave me a great analogy: you can make music for the chin strokers at the back, who actually understand your musicality, but you also need music for the fresh 18 year olds fingerbanging in the mosh. Jordan doesn't know shit, your vocals are amazing, have a couple of instrumentals, but your tracks need vocals. You aren't making math metal or minimal techno, you're making rock music. Don't ever be afraid of your vocals, so many of the producers and musicians I've taught put vocals too far back because they're terrified of it. Make the vocals louder and process them less, basically as a rule. Emulate Jordan, he took his sense of shame and beat it to death; you've got to do the same, you no longer have any shame, it doesn't exist, you're the best singer in the world, and everyone wants to hear your voice and are enriched for having heard it. If you wanna be a rockstar, act like one.
George
2022-07-08 06:45:51 +0000 UTCAgree with Ali on Morrissey. Fucking annoying and overrated like an octaver pedal kermit the frog. Melodicism is shit too but tbf the lyrics are really good.
Marcus Davidson
2022-07-08 03:17:01 +0000 UTCMervslav has hot snakes and bubble gut #plzdontdie
Megan Elphinstone
2022-07-08 02:04:54 +0000 UTCThat's very sweet Jordan, and I'd also like to give a shoutout to Jordan Shanks and Friendlyjordies, anyone here who hasn't heard of those youtube channels should definitely check them out, I've heard they've possibly capped the gen-y market and are looking to expand. Anyway I'll be seeing your show next Friday at EH, can't wait!
Wagon Lord
2022-07-08 00:05:45 +0000 UTCI agree, sea song needs to be remastered would love more pronounced vocal.
Nick Johnson
2022-07-07 13:08:42 +0000 UTCP.S I also have a little story about Eddie Kocwa and SCD you might be interested in. It’s a little sensitive as it could jeopardise a professional relationship but happy to share for the up late.
Purce
2022-07-07 11:13:28 +0000 UTCHey boiz long time listener. Just recently signed up for the up late wish I had done sooner, going back through these autistic ramblings have made the old work day go a little quicker. I’m a carpenter and during the course of Covid I’ve observed a few fellow work mates become indoctrinated into some pretty fringe far right ideology. Basically what started as attending a few freedom rallies, anti mandate protests and sharing around Avi Yemini rebel news trash snowballed into heavier fringe YouTube creators and adopting white nationalist views. Whilst I understand YouTubes algorithm can perpetuate people further down this rabbit hole I’m more interested in the psychology surrounding how people develop these views. I have my own thoughts on this but to keep this comment as brief as I can I’ll leave them out. I’m interested in your thoughts,are certain types of people or personalities more susceptible? What serves as a catalyst? Where does the line blur in the far rights distrust in mainstream media and our distrust on the other end of the spectrum?
Purce
2022-07-07 11:02:53 +0000 UTCGotta say I agree about the mixing for sea song. On an unrelated note, Merv's appearance on Dave's Dinners was amazing
Zac Kennedy
2022-07-07 06:26:28 +0000 UTC
