The One About Wokeness

"Why do you wanna make white people uncomfortable?" HAHA! I can't stop cackling!

Daniel Verdeja

this is put sooo well

cclove

Just gonna comment that bobs Australian accent wasn’t good cuz I felt bad for Monet 🤭

i think a huge part that people are missing about the scars shirt scenario that that person pointed out is that cis people literally wearing the scars of trans surgery and donning our bodies as aesthetic (even if good intentioned and in support of a trans individual selling a products) should be investigated and maybe discussed communally if it something that is triggering/raising concern from trans men pre or post op... no one is saying that gottmik cant, and frankly the line of “cant/can” usually serves as a diversion from the actual issue at hand. is it a sound decision to make a clothing item that could have that negative effect on many more people than the seller who is comfortable with it, that he is in community/shared identity with? are there alternate ways if approaching the concept that respect creative license while also respecting those concerns? i think the way that we respond to and even characterize “backlash” can frame people as victims and attackers when most people expressing concerns are just trying to have a dialogue, just my thoughts

Agree with Bob 100%. Do I want to be racist or transphobic or misogynistic? Of course not. But dominant groups shape society & our conscious & unconscious biases. (Never believed you belonged in the bottom, Mo!)

Amanda Nguyen

Nah mate

no, like the opposite i think? sasha is "left" in political terms (and in this context less likely to use offensive language and jokes) - i think thats what they mean anyway

"snowflake" comes from boomers saying that our generation was told that we were all special and unique like snowflakes. they claim we're entitled because of that and call us "special snowflakes." i think saying shit like "they're delicate and they melt like a snowflake" is a funny observation that they would all laugh at, but it's not part of the practical usage.

betp

Who's gonna tell her lol

Daniel Williams

Can someone clarify for me what they mean regarding Sasha Velour’s comedy (towards the last 2 minutes of the podcast)? Is she like super offensive or something?

Love you Bob, but the accent was trash 💕

Good points! I believe Mik mentioned on the show that she uses she/her pronouns as Mik and he/him pronouns as Kade.

Jorge

The quote "white supremacy is not a shark; it's the water" has been helpful for me to check myself and also in conversations with other white people who claim they aren't racist. Thank you for making white people uncomfortable <3

Alisa Keziah

I feel the conversation is really about individual vs group representation. Using the infamous shirt as an example, the opinion on a couple episodes now is the Mik has every right to express what they want. (I hope very much that “they” is correct for this comment’s sake) The opposite view is that it is wrong and offensive. I believe this comes from a place of the bigger groups interest in mind. Mik is practically the main stage, the one, the only “mainstream” representation of trans men. With that in mind, do they accept the responsibility of speaking for the whole? The episode with Peppermint, the topic of President Obama came up. Was he responsible for racist actions (or something along those lines)? Obviously no. However, as the most powerful black man in the world, did he have the responsibility to represent black peoples as a whole. I feel he would say yes. I feel he would at least say he thought about it and it weighed on him. If Mik had branded the shirt, it may be a different conversation. They didn’t. It’s a generic “rip off”. Just as the shirt, in its original form, wouldn’t stand as a representation of cis women today, should this be the focus of trans lives? An argument for offensiveness can be further explained outside of drag race. Many people, including queer people, do not watch or keep up with the show. How would they feel seeing an unbranded shirt emphasizing chest scars? Near the end y’all spoke of an obsession with trans genital regions. Isn’t this a generalization of trans chest area, whether implants or reduction? As arguably the “trans man of America” where do their individual concerns stop and the voice for all begin? Did they want the money and fame with no responsibility? I’m not trans, only in the queer community. I don’t know. It does seem to be a separation point - individual vs group as whole. Do we really believe RuPaul changed his view on trans drag, or do we believe the responsibility to the community (and ratings) made the choice for him? Same here. The self or group. I do agree with the virtue signaling vs. being woke. A virtue signal before it was “cool” means far more than a signal after it becomes popular.

Are we giving gottmik a pass because they are trans?

Ian J

I feel like gottmik has every right to say what they can and cannot do with the orb body. I love you and I just want to see the best for all of you.

Ian J

definitely an australian accent. nailed it.

Day 8 of asking Monét and Bob to have Mateo back on the podcast because that was one of the funniest episodes ever.

Sibling Gabe

Good points. I would love to hear you talk about it with them too.

Cherry Sanchez!!

The Aussie accent was a solid D (had to look up American grades for just passed) :)

Watching this improved my mood so much just now

I talk about Ezra in the podcast often. I mention that he is a trans man because there was context and it was relevant to this discussion. I don't normally say "I'm dating a trans man"

Bob The Drag Queen & Monét X Change

Listen to Season 1 Episode 8: "The One About the N Word"

Can y'all do an episode on the word nigga? I love y'all !

Ok Bob than why say “ I’m dating a trans man”. Why not just say “I’m dating Steve”? Aren’t you the one highlighting Steve’s genitals and trans-ness? ❤️ and kisses to yo gay ass

Bob you're accent sounded like you were from Minnesota lool.

lindsey gueye

I really hope y'all speak to more transmasc people soon, as well as other transfemme people. I love Peppermint and I think Ezra has some good things to say too, but neither are the be all end all of our community. Nor is Mik, especially as a skinny, white, passing man. I think in regards to Mik's top chop shirt, it really depends on the person how they take it. For me I don't find it offensive, I have shirts that have top surgery imagery illustrations and I find it really euphoric as a transmasc. However, there is a discomfort/dislike that comes from thinking about cisgender people wearing it, to me it feels like a false signal, I have no idea if that person is actually trans, or just a fan of Mik and more than likely has a limited view of transness that may be triggering if a conversation is brought up. Not to mention it feels very "loud straight person in a gay bar". That performative wokeness really comes into play here and I think it's something that needs to be talked about more especially with how easy it is for people to act woke online but be ignorant in real life, this is a really good start on that conversation tho!

Ren

I agree with Bob, I think humanity can do a lot worse than virtue signal. Also - new patreon, first comment, grateful for you both xx

I’m not trans nor do I have any trans friends but I never understand why people want to ‘get’ someone’s gender identity. Like there’s nothing to ‘get’, just call them by their preferred pronouns and that’s it. If you want a better understanding google is free. I kinda think constantly trying to ask what gender an individual presented as prior to transitioning is kinda transphobic, but I could be being too harsh 🤷🏽‍♀️.

lindsey gueye

CONGRATS ON THE QUEERTY QUEERNS!

JAY

yall are both black, and people, other black people included cannot tell two black people that they can or cannot say nigga or nigger. what tf? lmao if you don't wanna say it and you black, don't say it but you cannot put that on other black people.

What’s good Monet you were supposed to dish here on Patreon...say her name!!!! Wish I wrote down the time stamp lol

Day 7 of asking Monét and Bob to have Mateo back on the podcast because that was one of the funniest episode ever.

Sibling Gabe

I want to see that cat thing SO bad. .. I don't think it's wrong to sell the shirt -- it's wrong for CIS people to flaunt it. As a queer gender person, um, I'd love to wear that. Support a trans artist, and it represents part of my experience

Papa Squat

lovedddd this episode ❤️

Kelly B.

My only thought is that it's not ok to tell a person what they can be offended by. For example, I never use the "n" word ( I'm black) and I get offended when anyone uses it. My dad and his side (the side I grew up with) say it like it's going out of style, my mom's side doesn't. I remember the first side a white girl when talking about her boyfriend called him "her nigga" and I automatically went after her while other black people telling me I was wrong to snap on her because "it's just a word." In my mind, I know somebody was killed, beaten, or raped before, during, and after her that word so I don't like it. I don't think it's cool to 100% censor people because you don't agree with their word choice; however, if you know something triggers another person or group of people, maybe not use in their company.

y'all, as a trans masculine person this episode was really hard to listen to. it's always hard listening to people talk about things without the perspective of someone who is affected by it added in. i appreciate when bob is able to mention ezra's experiences, but id love to hear him or another trans masc person actually speak on the issue within the podcast as well. i really liked when bob and pep did stereo and had callers speakon their experience. secondly, ftm and mtf are OUTDATED, and in some cases offensive. theres a lot of reasons for this i wont list here but i would love to discuss it with yall if youd like. now, that doesnt mean there arent trans people who use these terms, but if the terms dont apply to you, please dont use them. please just call people "trans man, trans woman" etc. it can be really dysphoria inducing for me to even hear yall call others ftm - you cant assume every trans person uses ftm or mtf etc. another thing was, it felt really weird hearing yall discuss bottom surgeries that dont relate to you. idk. it was weird and uncomfortable. for years ive been used to people making a spectacle over the genitals of trans people. so it just seemed really weird and unnecessary. also, bob, there are two types of bottom surgeries trans masc people can get, not just phallo. i really want to talk to yall about these things, id literally pay money to get to talk to yall about it lmao! as for my opinion on mik's shirt, incase anyone cares, it really depends. i see both sides on it, but i think the opinions that matter mot are those who are affected by the shirt. im not personally bothered by it, but i can understand why some would be. not necessarily the selling of the shirt, i think he can do whatever he wants! but i can understand why some people may be uncomfortable if people only buy it to virtue signal, especially because a lot of trans people get accepted only based on if they're "aesthetically pleasin", like mik (white, skinny, and "passable").

panz

Jacob is so cute

Jeanne Prince Thomassin

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Either they get educated, or I would drop them as friends. Just my opinion.

I am gay, I understand the power of representation and seeing yourself celebrated within society and culture. I cried for joy seeing Gotmik's scars on the runway knowing how epic of a moment this was for the trans community, I get emotional just thinking about it. I definitely want to purchase this shirt and wear it with immense pride, but I'm concerned that I can't(or shouldn't) wear it because that doesn't directly reflect my personal queer story. Can you help me out here, is this something that your LGBTQIA+ family can participate in? Should I just buy it and wear it around my apt? I'm 6'5 so going out in public in a top like this, will be seen... Which to clarify, I have absolutely no objection to. I just don't want to offend any of my trans brothers and sisters or seem insensitive to their journey. xx

I also watched Bob's discussion with Peppermint on Youtube about the Gottmik shirt. Bob quoted Azraea then as well. I find their statement "this one person is monetizing the scars of all," to be a logical fallacy, a hasty generalization/exaggerated overstatement. Queers really do love to eat their own. The fact that they go on to say they would "start swinging on sight" is disturbing, especially over a t-shirt. Azraea doesn't/can't speak for all trans masc people, and certainly does NOT speak for me. I love the shirt, bought it, already wore it. I understand if some trans people are sensitive about their bodies and wouldn't want it on merchandise, but they don't get to make the same decision for everyone. In this capitalist hetero-normative society over-saturated with cisgendered content/merch, I'm ecstatic for more trans masc visibility, and I want to celebrate trans masc bodies. A shirt like Gottmik's is a simple step in the normalization of trans masculinity. I love my top surgery scars, and I think they're hot, and so are Mik's. Hopefully, the more people who see trans masc bodies, the less stigma there will be. I'm glad all this hype around the shirt is increasing awareness and driving up sales. Let this trans man make his money!!! Lord knows how much Gottmik had to shell out for all her runway lewks for drag race!!

Aubrey Benmark

Did you guys talk about the things Nina Bo'nina Brown has said about trans people? Idk if they have covered it. I'd like to hear their thoughts.

also saying “FTM” “MTF” “female-to-male” etc is so outdated and weird please consider saying trans man or trans woman

"Are you South African?" NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

A corporate buisness taking up space at a pride parade is trash.

I became a patron just so I could comment on this lol - as a trans masc nonbinary person who has had top surgery I think that showing off your scars is super empowering. the first time you walk outside without a shirt on is literally a magical universe shifting moment. I think that an individual should be free to monetize themselves but I understand how other trans people feel about our identity itself being commodified. That being said - I think Gottmik is still another white trans man who does implicitly racist things sometimes like all of them do.

Day 6 of asking Monét and Bob to have Mateo back on the podcast because that was one of the funniest episodes ever.

Sibling Gabe

this was one of the episodes that I wanted to never end

kimberlizard

hahah bob's reaction face @ 16:30 Sent. ME.

Y’all should do a Stereo discussing the recent video of Chris Walker cancelling woke culture and taking about Mr. Potato Head 🥺

Exzel Roa

Wait where’s bobs dl picture if it’s not at 44:38? 😩

OMG "WOKEKONDA" THATT HAAD ME DEEAADDDDDD

Dairy Ann

BOB! As an Aussie I reckon you would love “Kath and Kim” (Jane turner’s show) - highly recommend you give it a go :D

straight people get confused when i say “tea” or call anyone or anything that’s not a cis woman “she”. you really do gotta be breaking it down to them

Bob as an Australian I have got to say that Australian accent...it's a no from me lol still love you though!

i just want to say ya’ll are helping so much through this quarantine. thank you so much and i hope everything reading and listening to this are blessed and have a great 2021

The animated version

JAY

X-MEN DAYS OF FUTURE PAST WATCH IT. THEY STORM THE CAPITOL

JAY

I feed the birds and animals in my backyard and neighborhood & I feel like that low key makes me net positive ^_^

Diaperbutt69

Bob’s Aussie accent sounded like Tayce on an extended stay in New Zealand

KIMCHI NEEDS TO DO BOBS MAKEUP!!!👏🏾 WE WANT A VIDEO!!!

Joey Beaver

All I've been thinking this whole time is that gottmiks has a bunch of other shirts that don't have his scars on it, why don't we( as in cis people) just buy those. Why is it that the one t shirt that is specifically about being trans is the one that cis people want to wear? I would just buy a different shirt lol

Bob your Aussie accent is like a Brit crossed with a New Zealander with a couple of marbles in their mouth 😂

This is random but the other day my friend showed me a pic of a guy who he was sleeping with on Grindr and was GAGGED when I saw it was Nick. I had just listened to this episode too 😂

jguy

Exactly people just don't understand the larger picture, especially as americans we have such individualistic lifestyles that we're not thinking about things as a social collective. On the plus side I think that younger people are generally leaning towards thinking this way but obviously they can't escape american individualism

Anthony St. John

I'm white, most white people hear "racist" and think it means "actively, intentionally racist", most white people don't put in effort to understand unconscious bias in general let alone in a social-racial context. It takes acknowledgment that racism is part of social, economic, legal infrastructure and not just an explicit, one-on-one basis for example racial slurs which is only the tip of the iceberg. You may not be intentionally racist but the long history of racism, particularly american anti-blackness, has made a sturdy home in the zeitgeist and therefore your psyche no matter who you are

Anthony St. John

So many of y'all's questions can be answered by reading socialist/communist theory. Capitalism is truly the root of so many of the issues we have in America. Like with the Amazon example Monet gave- there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and these huge capitalist corporations make us dependent on them like Amazon. It isn't our fault that we need to buy things from them or want them quickly. The issue is deeper than personal responsibility or personal wokeness.

I gotta comment. If I’ve been regularly jumped by brooding men, at least...3 times a month for the first 15yrs of my life. I don’t call me crossing the street Racist, it’s not being a dumb ass and falling for the same shit again hoping for people to prove me wrong. Lol

I'm a homo but when monet made those dick sucking sounds I literally became homophobic

Anthony St. John

Edward Gonzales, you cute 😍👏🏾

Joey Beaver

Bob cute shirt+earrings💖

Anthony St. John

I 100% agree with everything that was said here - it's like some people be "woke" for clout and it's draining just looking at them do it! I work as a Political Organizer and I can see through people so fast, it's wild - acting like they know what they are talking about but most of the time they really are just saying Buzz-Words to make it seem like they know what they are saying! I love Dark Humor - America is going through some shit, and HAS been going thru shit for so long, I wanna fucking laugh about it and not take everything so seriously! Wokeness is a construct to make people feel good about themselves, like I wish people would simply BE good people, and not be self-proclaimed 'woke' people.

totally agree, i think virtue signaling is like "woke" bc now it has a connotation with insincerity. i think if youre going to share a post, hang a flag, put a sticker, etc that is meant to show your support, u need to check yourself and also be doing the work in private and irl too. i think that’s when virtue signaling-type behavior can be meaningful and actually helpful instead of making it about your appearance. people filming themselves helping others is a great example of making it about appearing "woke" instead of just helping someone

el

Also, that accent was Captain Crunch. lol Very much like Americans doing British accents where they constantly reference tea, crumpets, the queen, pip pip cheerio, etc.

White people aren’t used to being referred to as a group, we’ve benefitted off of being viewed as individual. Black people and other minority groups have not benefitted in the same way, and are regularly referred to in terms of broad generalisations (refer to Bob’s example of Asian people being referred to as notoriously bad drivers). White people know that it is not the case that ALL people within a minority carry the same character traits, but it benefits them to uphold that ideal. All white people are racist, we’re privileged as a result of the social and economic systems that the white people before us built in order to suppress minority groups. These broad generalisations we have of other minority groups are so tightly woven into our ideologies that it’s impossible for them not to be present in our daily lives and for them to influence our actions. However, it is also possible, in fact imperative, for white people to recognise that they exist and work to unlearn and realign our ideologies.

I was so worried Matteo was in on that podcast you mentioned. Y'all had me feel tight for a minute. Lol Sidenote: Matteo's voice is so gay gay gay gay gaaaay and I love it. Like, fuck his thirst trap pics on Instagram, I just wanna hear daddy talk and crack jokes. Lmao Me being thirsty aside, y'all need to bring him back... and Pep too! Y'all have such a great energy together!

Not everything needs to be compared to the N word. I get the point that you’re trying to make and actually agree, but this is a poor comparison when you consider the history of the N word

Absolutely. Its annoying

Woke has been used in the black community for years. Way before I was born and I'm 40. It was a way of talking about not falling for the bullshit and staying aware of the sneaky ways racism still exists or something similar. It wasn't conspiracy more so known truths. The word was essentially hijacked by main stream and ruined to a degree.

The word was stolen as usual and then ruined as usual

This! This convo needs to be had on someone's platform

i always thought snowflake was akin to white fragility/guilt whatever I'm one of those yt people who didn't consider herself racist, but I'm now learning that it's a product of my upbringing/education/media influence that I'm skewed in ways I can't even perceive. All I can do is listen and learn and be the best ally possible.

andrea faloona

To further Bob's remarks about people that shop at Walmart: it always bugs me that people's solution to the bad that Walmart does to communities if for people to just not shop there and potentially pay more for items from smaller shops. Some people need to shop at Walmart for budget reasons and/or they need the ability to get groceries and kids shoes in the same place because transportation to multiple stores is difficult. I think it's really lazy that the solution to these economic problems is pushed onto consumers that may not have other options, instead of holding these corporations and GOVERNMENTS responsible for creating this problem in the first place. Walmart massively underpays employees and structures employment in a way that denies health and other benefits to it's employees. Walmart benefits millions of dollars a year from food stamp and WIC programs that they create the need for - by underpaying people and then accepting food stamps FROM THEIR OWN WORKERS. Why is it incumbent upon families in these areas to not buy their kids affordable shoes from Walmart to "fix this problem" when it's the government and corporations that create them.

True. Sadly, I don't think we can outvote Trixie and Katya's rabid teenage fanbase lol

Markus

I enjoy the podcasts so much that I had to become a patreon. I'm a cis straight white soccer mom to two queer kids and a physician for our small town trans population. Your podcast not only is hilarious but also informative. I love you two so much!!

My name being RICHARD GLENHOLMES in full caps is making me die with laughter - I used my old name email hahahaha Esta here x

In particular pronoun use. The same comment every time "Its gone too far" Im like girl how has someone asking you to use two words to name them (she her or whatever) too far. When there is war, poverty, racism bla bla bla but you draw the line at using two words out of respect for a human. We use the name someone asks us to say every fuckin day. People need to get it together

Joined because you made me laugh, But stayed because you really are spitting some serious wisdom and edumacatin people on real shit in a real way. I also relate, Im a drag creature living in VietNam and most of my "calling out" which I do in a nice way is always related to transphobia.

as always, imo, virtue signaling is when someone goes out of their way to show you how fantastically virtuous they are and it's more about their own validation. I don't know if there's a term for what Bob was describing, like a rainbow flag in the window, but it's the opposite of virtue signaling, imo. It's just a 'hi there. we're here if you need us' as opposed to the entire facade of the restaurant being plastered in rainbow flags and having huge signs saying 'we accept everyone'.

andrea faloona

When are we going to see the SAY THIER NAMES shirts!?!?

Angie S

10/10

Sarah Gray

Two beautiful ebony queens👑 I admire you both 😘

Jeanette Carter

Also I wonder how your friend would feel knowing a cis woman bought the shirt because she cut off her breasts to prevent or get rid of cancer... @ punching folk in the face

Simone

“How much of it is not wanting to know?” That’s what good old willful ignorance that kills me about people not understanding racism.

Simone

Ima just say that if Monet don't say them names; I will not purchase a lie on a shirt.

Girl I’m soooo UPSET u didn’t win Queerty! Like wtf i’m so sorry i love all the other nominated podcasts but u were the best on the category! I wish u advertised for it and asked for votes but oh well

Husam

After reading some comments I’ve arrive to a conclusion. Virtue signaling is the bare minimum. Showing others that you’re “with wokeness” or trying to be woke by being aware is not the same as actually doing anything about it. Kind of like when Bob says you have to atone if you’re going to seek forgiveness. You have to actively be trying to dismantle systems of oppression if you’re really trying to be woke. Signing petitions , protesting, giving money and voting are some examples. But I think it’s about how white people are using virtue signaling as a way to cast a positive light on themselves while using social media. I compare it to when people film themselves giving food to homeless people . This podcast is my favorite , I can’t believe it’s almost a year since I became a patron, I remember bc it was when corona started. It keeps me from being completely unhinged 🥲

Brian Payan

Idk as a brown trans man the claim that ftm top surgery scars aren't a cis thing is also weird cause they can be highly similar to the ones for cis women who have mastectomy for numerous health reasons//cis men who have gynecomastia (sp?) Also top surgery scars do look different for each person so idk it's just... Weird. It's definitely an individual opinion thing more so than one we can prescribe as the "qtpoc community thinks xyz" and I'd rather we were able to have more constructive conversations over this somehow instead of primarily on Twitter oof

Stan R

what monét’s describing in the beginning of the discussion is exactly the idea of wokeness as cultural capital. appearing “woke” today is much more important than actually being “woke” and doing things that advance the ideas that a company/institution/individual supposedly advocates for. in that way, “wokeness” is a form of capital because it is something that can be leveraged in order to project a positive image of oneself, even if that image doesn’t correlate at all with what one practices in their daily lives.

Omg Bob you sound like Taycee from Drag race UK when she did the snatch game. It was very Australian but like inner suburbs Australia accent. Love it ! I suggest watching Kath and Kim on Netflix or on YouTube and you’ll see the similarities in their accents and yours. Love from Australia

Eileen

Facts!!!

Ashley Brown

SIDE NOTE: Do y'all know about this abhorrent behavior by Cuomo, regarding the death toll in NYC nursing homes?

Personally as a cisgender white queer person, when Bob and Monet say things like "White people smell like wet dog" and what not that shit sends me. It's hilarious. I don't take offense to it, black people and POC have been put down for centuries now and it would be ridiculous if I sat here being like "'Cracker' is a slur :(". Someone who I used to be friends with years ago (white person) did have issues with our POC friends telling them that they couldn't use the n-word even while rapping along to a song in front of black people. Their response was, almost verbatim, "It would be inauthentic for me not to say it". Like if your "authenticity" relies on the ability to use slurs that are not yours to use or reclaim or anything of that sort, then you really need to reevaluate your fucking life. Needless to say that person is thankfully no longer a part of our lives. Thank you Bob and Monet for always giving us quality, thought provoking content. It's been much appreciated during this quarantine <3

Jodie Fester

'snowflake' was popularised by 4chan which was obsessed with fight club copypasta

There is dissonance though when you say it's not that serious but then when some person says a microaggression on twitter and everyone is up in arms yelling "you racist piece of shit" like is it serious or is it not serious cause it seems like we should be taking it more serious than not

Hey bob and monet! Not sure if you checked out or saw the republican gov of UTAH talk about transgender women competing in sports speech! There is some good and bad to it but I think a great topic I would love to hear from you two on!

As an Australian, Bob’s Australian accent was abysmal. But as a fan of bad Australian accents, I loved it

Who we think money was talking about? I was thinking someone from her build series who was on the show

Terrah Card

That clip got me emotional because it just underscores why I love Bob so much

Joanne Robertson

Bobbalina, my darling, I'm sorry but I lived in Australia for 20 years and your Aussie accent is dreadful!! Try Kath & Kim. Best Aussie training ever.

Nic Allum

My question is; how does mik producing that T shirt for Possibly cis people to wear different from e.g one black person giving a white person permission to use the N word??? Surely one person’s experience does not translate to the whole community? Perhaps Mik could’ve taken this jnto account a bit more?

EdHead

I’m prolly gonna catch some heat but imma just say it....I dont necessarily see a problem with monetizing the experience of a trans person, but I can see how a white trans man that comes from money, profiting off of the trans experience can be a bit problematic. Black and brown trans women are the most hated and targeted group of people in the world, and even black and brown trans men are more subject to hate and discrimination than white trans indivuals. Those are really just the facts, so the idea that a white man is profiting from the experience/hardships that are notably not as severe for them as other members of their community, speaks to how easily we disregard the plights and struggles of black and brown trans-people. The disparity that exists within the trans-community and the issues of racism that are still prevalent within the lgbtq+ community, is something that I feel often goes un-discussed and that's the problem I see with Gottmik in this situation. I know not everyone is gonna see it the way I do and I’m really not trying to come for Gottmik because I think he’s great but I can totally see the issue with a well off white man making money off of their trans experience when there are so many black and brown trans people are never going to be given the same opportunities as Gottmik because of the racism that still plagues society, regardless of the increase in trans-visibility......If all of the proceeds from this merch actively benefit the trans-community then I couldnt imagine there being a real issue with the shirt, but if this is just another white man (even a trans-man) profiting from the struggles and hardships that are endured more greatly and severely by the black and brown individuals within the trans-community, I do think that’s an issue. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

Let’s be clear black people cannot be racist but because of the pain and suffering our ancestors went through racism black people have issues of colorism that was passed down through generation because of white people.

Monet is a little right about straight cis people, they are clueless about anything lgbt most of the time. One of my old coworkers saw me watching a clip of a drag show and asked me why I was watching t****** and he had no idea that it was an offensive word. When I corrected him he said that he genuinely thought that was a term you use for any amab person that looks/dresses/presents as feminine. Still no excuse though.

I can't believe y'all just organically arrived at the central question of the show The Good Place

Daddy Carrot

I’m Australian and Bob, baby that accent aint it

Daniele Giunta

She mentioned on a previous podcast ep that she sniffles because she has a deviated septum

Ok I spit my water out when Bob talked about the Twitter messages. I’m dead at the defensive white people.

Consult Trixie Mattel on the accent. She’s basically a dialect coach now.

soCreigh

I have the same text tone. The Kim Possible Beep!

ByMarQuel

Bob sounds like lawerance chaney 😂😂

Jacob Allbright

lemme put y'all on: ben and jerry = bendravious and jerrion

Shi-Ann

Someone probably already made this correction but in the first half Bob said that their can be some positives to virtue signaling. But, the definition in itself refers to someone acting with disingenuous intentions to mislead others that they are on the side of whatever the cause may be. It's used to gain favor as a "good guy or "savior." But, i understood the point Bob was making that people or entities speaking up on a cause even if they are pressured into doing it isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just think it's important that we don't associate a negative definition like virtue signaling with a positive, for the internets sake.

I know this is unrelated but RPDR YouTube did a whole 34 minute video dedicated to Bob - video clips from Bobs entire experience on drag race and after watching it, I really forgot how good of a Drag Queen is/was.

Joey Beaver

Yall... this look on Bob is EVERYTHING!!!!!!😍😍😍

Nia

Bob and Trixie can have a competition for who has the best, worst Australian accent cause they’re about neck and neck right now.

Bob is serving!

Bob representing leprechauns at the end there, more Irish stew than an Aussie shrimp on the barbie 🤣

Kelly

Bob sounds australian imo

OWEN MCKINNEY

something I wanted to add haha I don't think we should compare white supremacists to arabs when anything related to "terrorism" happens. like white supremacists or KKK or whatever exists and is perfectly fine to call without the abstract comparison to middle easterners and violence. especially when you put the word vanilla or white in front of it,,,,it just creates this weird idea that "white people can be terrorists just like isis or middle easterners" and 1. solidifies the racial association of terrorism with arabs and 2. reify's that arabs are "the standard" for terrorism/mindless violence. so y'all-qaeda or whatever the hell quite frankly isn't cute nor funny.

Omg Bob's segment on laughing at the white people mad him for saying all white people are racist is SENDING ME 😭😭😭

David Rocha

A problem I have with the “net positive” worldview is that it can make someone feel justified in doing “bad things” after doing “enough good” - and it depends a lot on how you quantify your good vs bad actions like Monet was saying. I think maybe a better way of looking at it is that we should strive to put out as much good as we can, within our limits? Also, agree with comments to check out The Good Place!! It’s a really fun show that also dives deep into ethics/moral philosophy As far as wokeness I usually don’t think of people as woke or not, but more use it as a way to evaluate my actions like “is what I’m about to say not woke”

Bob shouldn't have brought up the driver license b/c you can tell Jacob still wasn't over that shit. He came in ready to put Bob in his place if he said anything bad. I can't y'all are too funny

Justin Bruce

On virtue signaling: I agree with Monet that when I think of “virtue signaling”, to me that means someone is posturing and is mostly concerned with how they’re perceived rather than actually being a force for good in the world. For example, people who are like “fuck anyone who eats Chik fil A, you’re supporting homophobes” but they shop on Amazon and at Walmart. Amazon and Walmart have a much bigger impact on the world at large, especially marginalized communities, so you’re not some morally pure consumer because you don’t eat the hate chicken. The reality is that under capitalism it’s impossible to be a completely ethical consumer. There’s nothing wrong with changing your buying habits to better align with your values, but Facebook comments like “omg they still eat chik fil a? Wow, if only it were so easy for all of us to shit on our LGBT friends in the name of waffle fries” - that’s virtue signaling and it’s fucking annoying. Also if y’all haven’t seen it yet you should watch The Good Place, a lot of that show deals with the “net positive” concept (there’s literally a point system to determine if you end up in heaven or hell based on your impact on the world).

Sian M

I'm dead, Bob and Monet are always tryna get poor Jacob in trouble using him as the hypothetical perpetrator during their hypothetical racist and transphobic situations. 😂

Giselle Brown

Not Monet having Double D’s at twelve years old.

RJ

I spit out my drink when I heard Yeast Yetis & YawlQueda lolz...too funny

I'm cisgender so my opinion on the Mik topic may come from an uneducated place but from talking and seeing trans people talk about their body it seem like some feel more free having top surgery so I think it's then unhealthy for other trans people to police each others body.

Justin Bruce

I'm white and think it's funny when Bob calls all yt people racist because I know I'm not and I see it as a joke, if it actually offends you as a yt person then maybe you are racist. Stop trying to prove that you aren't racist, it makes you look guilty as hell. White people have put black people through so much underserving shit, I think white people can handle (and deserve) being called racist, it's not that serious.

So I’m eating lunch, which is a hot dog, and here goes Monet, “So I was sucking a sick..” I had to put the hot dog down. Also, I’m assuming this was recorded before Bob’s discussion with Peppermint.

Mel8235

Bob was ON ONE this episode she’s always gotta be right

Scotty S

Lol! Could you imagine if Biden said to trump, “shut the fuck up, nigga!” Wow! The shockwave around the world would’ve been truly EPIC 😳

Australian...ish Monet was low key right, I totally hear the South African with a little Kiwi 😂

TW Abney

This is kind of my view on Mik's merch. For example I work for a large corporate, I am a white CIS heterosexual female. If I wore this shirt, it's likely it would promote conversation as I know a lot of the people I mix with in a business setting (my office operates "dress for your day" and "bring your whole self to work" policies) would be curious about it and opens up opportunity for learning and discussion.

If you look up the term racism and its sociological nuances, you will come to find out that racism is dependent on societal and economic power. Therefore, due to colonization and slavery, ONLY white people can be racism. Other races can be prejudice but not racist.

SignedMCS

I love this patreon! 🙌🏾💕🥰

Jacob is so cute!

Hey, I'm a trans man and wanted to clarify on ftm surgeries a bit. So based on the kind of chest size and fat distribution etc you have, your top surgery can be conducted in various ways. This can include liposuction or nipple grafts that shift the graft to a more traditionally "masculine" position. The scars themselves may also be at different places- like mik, under the pecs, or as is often the case with larger chests (like me) the scars could be across the and basically bisect the nipple. Furthermore, when it comes to bottom surgery, there's two types: metoidioplasty, where the clitoris is essentially grown into the size of a "micro-penis" and the urine tract is rerouted through the same. Alternatively, phalloplasty is the construction of a surgical penis via the tissue from another part of your body, often the forearm. These can allow more "customized" and larger penises to be constructed, although afaik, they do not recommend very large penises to be constructed due to increased complications. The vagina may or may not be closed, and balls may or may not be created in either procedure to the best of my knowledge. Also about mik, as a trans man of color I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing. In fact I think it'll help increase awareness as well as normalize trans masc bodies in a world where we're invisible. However I acknowledge my relative economic privilege and access to healthcare, and fully recognise that other trans masc people may feel differently. Personally, I kinda want mik's shirt but shipping costs lol Any way I hope this helps someone!!! Love y'all so much, thank you for the constant content xx

Stan R

Can we get a drag race UK watch party????😬😬😬

Sometimes defining words by dictionary definition negates the nuances of language. I'm with Bob that virtue signaling isn't necessarily a negative thing. It currently has negative connotations because of the many examples displayed last summer where the views being expressed were "do as i say, not as i do". A good example is Insta influencers being caught posting pictures of themselves at BLM rallies for likes and reposts that they were at only long enough to literally take the photo. I can't speak for all white people but i think a part of the reason they get offended by Bobs "all white folks are racist" is that some white people are genuine allies and are actively using their privilege to address issues in their environment and systematically. So it feels a little like "well fuck my drag right!". I think the downside of the current "woke" generation is that people who think a certain way because that's the environment they are immersed in, feel worried about asking questions as the reaction is so often negative when approaching sensitive subjects. Although on the Trans genitalia issue, it shouldn't be something that needs to be pointed out to ANYONE. It's not your place to discuss anyone's genitalia be they CIS Trans non-binary.

i agree with Monet about the word woke. I feel like it kinda happened with the whole SJW ( social justice warrior ) we take something that is meant for good and some people go overboard and misuse the term and then we are in such a social media era that everything becomes a hashtag and I feel like further detaching from its original powerful meanings, and making them “trendy”. On a lighter note, if you’re a theatre kid/ like musicals go listen to avenue q everyone’s a little bit racist. It’s like a grown up Sesame Street, great musical with some gritty topics and it’s puppets

OMG I NEED SIBLING RIVALRY MERCH!!!!!! SAY THEIR NAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED that merch. I'm ready to buy it AAAALLLLLLLLLLL. Love you two! <3 XO

Eli Dagostino

If there is nothing to complain about, people will make a small thing into a big thing. I do believe we ourselves are going to cancel all gay culture because we keep pushing limits to limits they do not need to be at. We will be our own undoing and that is sad. We all grew up feeling like outsiders and we find the need to tear each other apart as adults.

Kevin

I really enjoyed this topic. I agree that all White people are racist but so are all Blacks, Asian, Latinos , Gays, Trans, Lesbians. I think we are all racist or at least have racist thoughts. Some are racist out of ignorance and other are just hateful. Our society likes to stereo type to understand or marginalize people. The bad driver (Asian), Dumb (white blond woman), Loud (Latin), thug (Black), hate/ bad at sports (gay), power tools (lesbian ) and so on. I personally think people just like to judge one another, but now is more visible because of technology. But we all do it for example if a White or Asian person would have dreads and a head wrap. Some black folks would think here is another pasty ass person taking from our culture. How about if I say she is mix and her father is black does it now make it ok. Also what is the difference from a Black girl straightening their hair and making a French braid. Sorry for long rant but love your videos and topics that makes us sit and analyze our selves.

Jovioski

I always feel uncomfortable when I hear people say that. I always thought of it as offensive because you cant be "woke" because if you're white. You will never know what POC go through, and I guess I equated it to people claiming they understand. I never want to marginalize or take away from someone's life experiences.

100% agree with Bob! All white people are racist! You can’t live in and benefit from this society as a white person without consciously or subconsciously perpetuating some form of racism. Now while you may say “but there are white people are are fighting against racism” and yes there are, but they are still going to perpetuate some form of racism. It’s the way the world is setup, and until society as we know it comes crumbling down, this is how it will always be. Now white people, now that you know this, ask yourself if you are going to use the next 10 mins proving to me that you’re not racist or use the next 10 mins to do something actively anti-racist?...

SignedMCS

OMG! I would totally sign up for Monet’s onlyfans 😛💦🍆

It's like you've almost made it to the point and then decided to look away at the last moment. Ok, if all white play a part in a racist system and all white people benefit from the racist system that was created by them and for them, then........

this was a really awesome and thought provoking episode. really enjoyed hearing y'alls perspective! PS: Monet, I also have the Kimpossible communicator beep as a notification sound! I see you girl!

So you missed the entire point of the convo and circled back to yourself. Lol cool

With re: to racial justice, can we talk about how often white queens get praised for being "woke" (ie Aquaria, Courtney Act) while Black queens get often labeled as aggressive and dismissed for defending themselves against anti-Blackness (Vixen!!) I think there's something insidious in the way white people are still heralded over POC even when talking about racial issues

So its official y'all are gonna sell joint merch? 👀 I've been waiting for a Sibling Rivalry t-shirt my whole life!

brandyn from the fif flo.

This can be said for so many programmes i loved growing up and not just in regards to transphobia. Multiple layers in many programs of xenophobia, ableism, anti-Semitism, sizeism, islamophobia, the list goes on. At the time i didn't see this because i didn't know any different.

Bob's Australian impression was giving me Lawrence Chaney lol.

when Monet was talking about the ru girls who are fake woke and wouldn't say their names I without hesitation said out loud 'say their names' before Bob said it😂😂.

Adriiaannn

Not Cherry Sanchez! 😂😂😂

what the hell is that accent Bob

Jordan mckinley

Has anyone asked Patty if he has the drivers license?????

I just want to skip this era of my life tbh cause people aren’t holding everyone accountable for their actions. I also feel like there can be a better word used than” Woke” being more aware of the situations going around can’t be something said instead of woke to explain what it means cause people are always gonna be questioned and not taken too serious when they say woke

All white people are racist because we are raised in an inherently racist society and therefore adopt those values whether we believe them or not. Until you put in the work to unlearn these things you will still be racist! That’s my understanding of why all white people are racist, until deciding to be actively anti-racist, which doesn’t include screaming, “IM NOT RACIST,” at Black people!

it sounds like australian accent but done terribly

Fernando Michea

Ahh bobs shirt reminds me of Charlie Brown

Love this topic! Thank you Bob & Monet for all this content. I 100% agree with Bob. If you see a group of black men and cross the street is because the media, movies and sometimes even your own friends and family has made you believe they are all dangerous which isn’t the case. It happens a lot when I’m with my 3 brothers and people always seem so nervous or uncomfortable around them, and they are the sweetest young men.

Diamond Nicole

Bob it's a no for me with the accent.

Scott Bazemore

I think if the intention is genuine, it is not virtue signalling. I'm with Monet. When I think of virtue signalling I think of regurgitating the "correct" rhetoric with the intention to appear good, not the intention to educate yourself, others or move forward. I think that virtue signalling is about the person not the cause I see the term 'wokeness' as an internet trend. Where as being socially & politically aware is something different, & more authentic (to me) Also Bob looks great in that shirt

They said it was called Legion of Skanks I think... Definitely something of Skanks

Why does Bob's Australian accent sound like JFK

Dude those white people messaging you talking ab how they aren’t racist are THE WEAKEST LINKS!!! Don’t listen to them u can say all whites people are racist all you want!! It makes me lol every time and it’s true it’s true ... - a white person

Allie

I really need to know what podcast they were referring to when talking about Matteo

i pay my dues monet. say. their. names

FUCK EVERYTHING YALL TALKING ABOUT. More importantly MONÉT, where can I get the bedazzled solo cup?!?!! I’ll make it if I need to just tell me the crystals.

Ok for Bob’s license I think you should check what day the picture of it was taken then figure out where Jacob was on that day. Hopefully that will somewhat move you closer to where it is.

So many of us are raised with inequality as a base. We’ve been taught to idolize people, to see them as better than us, in a lot of families the men are being seen as a level above the women, etc. There’s an order of who’s best and who is less than and white males are being seen as the ones at the top, that basis a lot of us have been taught and often unconsciously still follow and pass on is indeed racist. It’s also misogynistic and ableist. And this common point of view is not going to change so easily, especially because a lot of people don’t want it to change.

Suzanne Smith

Tbh I was one of those white people who would just immediately say "I'm not racist" whenever the convo was brought up. But after listening to that podcast I stopped and really started examining myself and my thoughts and how racial cultural bias has effected me. We can beat down the Trumpers and KKK until the end of time but racism will be alive and well in America until ALL white people do that. I always tell this anecdote when I get into convos with people about it: my grandfather was the kindest person I've ever met. Genuinely, he didn't have a hateful bone in his body and never had a bad word to say to anyone. The man was a Marine in WWII on IWO JIMA and never fired a bullet, he just didn't have it in him. When I was 10 or 11 he went outside to get the mail from his black mail woman and they laughed and talked for a moment. He came in and said to me, "she's black, but she's really nice.". It doesn't matter what kind of person you are, racial bias in this culture is so pervasive it effects EVERYONE.

You nailed it. Critiquing individuals is very inefficient, but also quite necessary at times. I do think critiquing language is actually more important than a lot of people want to give it credit for. Does someone really need the freedom to say words we can all agree are wrong? This is where I disagree with Bob and Monet about "policing language".

Non, I don’t know about this accent. It had its highs and low but ultimately imma give it a boot. I’m sorry sis, still love you! 😆

Rodrick Washington

also, anyone who thinks they have somehow evaded the conditioning of being raised and living in a racist society built on racist systems is delusional... and seriously unwoke 😝🙄

White people are always going to be inherently racist, that’s a fact. No matter how much you want to scream from the roof tops your not. It is what is it!

that accent started right in wisconsin

Keep preaching Bob!!!

Scale of Wokeness: From Q-anon to Berkeley Undergrad…

Ian Crowe

Yes, but then your problem is with laziness/hypocrisy/non-committal behavior, not "wokeness" itself. Plenty of people know that there are wiser or more moral decisions they should make but, for a variety of reasons, do not.

as an aussie, i think ur accent's great bob. its definitely not australian, but its great

Trans people shouldn’t have to see cis people wear triggering scars as a fashion statement

Ashleigh Jones

I AM NOT A RACIST.

Ashleigh Jones

Jacob is such a mood 😂😂

atj4991

I agree with Monet. Even with people that are alleged allies, virtue signaling can be just about narcissism and won't necessarily have a practical consequence.

I never really agreed with bobs statement of “all white people are racist” BUT white people all play a part in a system that is racist and was created by white people. White Fragility by Robin Dangelo is an amazing book that dives further into bobs statement

My favourite thing Bob has said is all white people are racist, and he explained it very well. As a white person, I understood what he was talking about, and realised how true he was in it. Wokeness is more about staying informed, but it seems that now days, people use it attack, and penalise maybe uneducated people, on the Internet, and show off their own superiority, rather than educating the ignorant.

It’s crazy how common anti-trans commentary was/is used as comedy. I recently rewatched an episode of The Parkers that involved a trans woman and when they found out she was AMAB they continuously called her a man and she became the joke of the episode. One of the male characters was into her and they were making fun of him for it. All around super problematic and this was a popular sitcom that many grew up on (and not the only show that uses this kind of storyline). Bob is so right that we have to actively unlearn these things that were engrained in our brain since birth (whether we noticed it or not).

Dominic DiFiglia

I’m a nurse and I just had this conversation with 2 of my coworkers who are middle aged. One of them is a gay man unfamiliar with some of the terminology we use in the LGBT+ community, and another is a straight woman. Somehow we got to talking about pronouns. Sometimes I don’t always think it comes from a place of hate, just truly not knowing. After our conversation they had a better understanding and said they felt better equipped to deal with our queer/non-binary/trans patients we occasionally treat. I think it’s okay to ask questions that are appropriate in the right time and settings. I explained to them that we don’t go around asking each other what is in each other’s pants, so why would we say that to a trans or non-binary person. I think it becomes a problem when you educate someone and they choose to ignore it and act like it’s a burden upon them to just simply respect people. I think that’s where the line is drawn between simply not knowing and hate.

Hey Bob, just FYI gynecomastia is not fatty tissue (and mastectomy is not removal of fat tissue, although it can also be) but of glandular tissue, which isn't normally developed in males, except occasionally in a transient fashion during or around puberty.

Ulysse Mizrahi

What's weird about the word woke is that I first heard it used by conspiracy theorists to say they had woken up to what's really going on. Idk if that's just me but now it's like the same kind of people that may be conspiracy theorists are using it as an insult lol.

Aussie here. Wow wow wow bob can be left of right or right of left or whatever the fuck. That WAS NOT Australian.. mate you might be from England or some bum fuck nowhere but you aint Aussie haha. HMU if you want tipis on accent. Or google aussie bogan accent. That might be easier for you. Xx

Conor Williams-Bloodworth

bob that is the most fucked up australian accent

Nick

Bob you're accent is somewhere between Australia and London/Birmingham England with a drizzle of American xD

as an australian i am offended

I fully agree with Bob in regard to implicit bias and all white people are racist "If your intention is absolving yourself of a wrongdoing... your intentions are off." Honestly changed my perspective forever when I first heard that. Everyone needs to accept that they're inherently bias towards your own, and unknowingly say, act, and make decisions based on this bias. But that doesn't mean you can't actively fight that or do something in your capacity to combat that.

Straight in no butter with the start of this episode. 😂 I'm Irish and we reclaim the word 'fenian' (pronounced feen-yen), which is a slur for Catholics or Irish Republicans (people who want a United Ireland). Fenian was a word originally used by Irish revolutionaries in the 19th Century, but then became a derogatory term used by the Brits who illegally occupied the North of Ireland more specifically. For example, I might call my bf a fenian fuck as an endearing term or would call myself a fenian without batting an eye. But bish if a Brit called me a fenian.. It's gonna be trouble 👀 👊😂

BiiCurious George

Its not as a word more like a slur used by white ppl to refer to black ppl. only black (or dark skin) ppl would be offended by it, which is why non-black people are discouraged from saying it and why it seems sometimes 'positive' when black people say it. In terms of n*gger Vs n*gga, black ppl do not write the -er but would say it mostly to joke (n*gerrrrrrrr) but the mean the same thing, -a just sounds better lol.

Marcus Been

Yess what monet said, I've even had people acuse me of making up the word transphobic during arguments.

A lot of it is not wanting to know. I cannot tell you how many fb arguments I've gotten into where I was initially just trying to educate someone and they decided they wanted to argue about it and talk about what's scientific or whatever. 🙄 chicago fb niggas are homo/transphobic asl

So many people who criticize "wokeness" are in actuality still trying to cling on to their racism, sexism, ablism, and more. It's sad. They also refuse to acknowledge common decency and refuse to acknowledge the DECADES of progressive activism where people have been saying/fighting these same fights. It's not new, it's just they remain slow to catch on.

I read all of this and I think you nailed it. (Side note) I visited Barbados when I was a teenager. It was one of the best experiences of my life. I love when Monet talks about the Caribbean.

Only 28 minutes in but jumping on to say this episode has a great vibe. I think. If someone’s viewpoint comes from a place that is not genuine, it’s still technically a step in the right direction for the cause because people will have more exposure to it, discussing and arguing and unpacking all the complicated parts of the issue within themselves and others. Gatekeeping and violence isn’t conducive to a more harmonious existence. I’d love to have Dakota on for their thoughts.

I agree with Monet, we should drop 'woke' because it has been co-opted and used to insult anything diverse or different. Example, a video game called the Last of Us 2 has been aligned to the 'woke' agenda, simply because the main character was a lesbian (still white) and that another main character 'seemed' trans (still white).

Marcus Been

I definitely agree that in some contexts that internet “wokeness” can be wielded in a way that’s unproductive, but one thing I think is missing from the convo at times is the idea of systems level thinking vs individual. Just like y’all said, we all exist under capitalism and are stuck under Jeff Bezos’ or Walmart’s pale crusty foot. Should we question our use of Amazon/other small things we do that contribute to an exploitative system? Yes! But I think we have to shift our gaze toward the systems of power that make our material conditions the way they are. I’m just hoping that at some point in human history we can commit to building a better world together, and while we do that we can begin understanding critique as something generative rather than cancellation (and that’s a whole other thing bc cancelling does not work like ppl say it does lmao how do most mfers get cancelled thrice a week and still have platforms?)

Taylor D

I get what you mean but I think Bob and Monét are non binary, but I could be wrong

On virtue signaling, feel like non black ppl try to use it to a lot to imply that "because I have a black ....." or "I grew up around blk ..." etc, I can't be racist or have biases.

Lots to talk about with this podcast o boy. I’ll try to keep this in chronological order of the video and I know it might be a lot to read but I hope you do as I’m a big fan and would love to hear your responses to this! I’ll assume this video was recorded before Bob and Peppermint had the conversation that was posted on his youtube? Even still ffr Monet, I think it’s best you take the backseat on trans discussions such as this one, or preface all your opinions over trans issues as ‘your opinion’ instead of stating your opinion as fact considering you’re a cis man. Also FTM/MTF is largely outdated language within the trans community, whether just using the acronym or saying the term fully. I understand your intentions, from the both of y’all, aren’t malicious, but it’s just kind of disheartening as a trans masc fan to hear two people talk about something they don’t really, and can honestly never, have any lived experience with as if they fully know everything about it. As far as the overall discussion during this podcast of “wokeness” I personally feel, like Monet said, “woke”, and all of its’ derivatives, have become buzzwords, mostly do to white people overusing it to virtue signal as y’all also pointed out. Honestly, I fully believe virtue signalling is a bad thing because all it is vague signals without full action in support of the ‘signal’. To use the example Bob gave us, Joe Biden signals to us that he wears a mask to get the rest of us to as well, but how meaningful is that when 500K total people have died to this virus in America alone and the most he can do for them, and us, is a candlelight vigil. What does Joe’s signalling stand for or do without the action, ie: single tax payer healthcare system, monthly stimulus checks, a national lockdown? Lastly, and this is just a small sidenote really, our individual carbon footprints are a lot lot lot smaller than we could even imagine and most pollution is caused by big business ie: farming, industrial plants, etc. this was proven true especially during the beginning of the pandemic when most countries were on lockdown or just very limited travel and CO2 emissions were only down a minimal percent. I hope this isn’t TOO too much to read, for Bob and Monet if they happen to, or any other patron who decides to engage haha. these conversations are so nuanced it can get difficult to make short succinct points. Hope whoever reads this has a good day/night and thanks for spending the time to read as well. <3

Bob literally lost their accent at 1:03:07 lmao

Ok I have a lot of thoughts and I may ramble. Let me preface by saying I am a black straight cis woman living in the Caribbean so my experience and perspective may be different from the majority of people here. I agree with Monet about online wokeness. I think it started as a good thing, but it has been hijacked by people coming from a place of privilege and thinking they can speak for all persons in a marginalized group. But as Bob said, the idea that someone shouldn't disagree with you or speak their opinion is the opposite of what they are preaching. I also agree with Bob that we all have implicit biases because of our environmental upbringing etc. But I don't think it's fair to say all white people are racist or all cis people are transphobic because it's impossible to know every single white person's or cis person's experience. I like the idea of net positivity. I try to do more good than bad but I agree with Monet that sometimes as humans we do things out of convenience or for survival or because we just are not as privileged as someone else. I have had this conversation with my partner and I always tell him if someone is struggling to figure out where their next meal or their children's next meal is coming from, they may not have the time or opportunity to worry about car fumes if they have to get to work. That's just reality. And I find that a lot of "woke" people don't understand these nuances when they attack people. I am a cis woman so I don't want to speak for trans people but I agree with you both that if a person wants to monetize their own body it should be their choice. What is the point of advocating for free speech and free will if it only applies to things you agree with? I rather someone freely let me know they are racist or misogynistic so I know to avoid them, but also they have that right and as Bob said, they would just deal with the consequences. And the irony of me complaining about the woke exercising their right to free speech is not lost on me. It's a very difficult thing to maneuver.

Lisa A D

Okay Bob looks good here. Yellow definitely is your color

Rudy Rico

Bob's Australian accent is... something else

Hi Bob and Monet, I had a quick question about the n word. So I don't use it and don't have a desire to but do the two words mean the same thing? I kind of don't get why it's so controversial when a person who isn't black says n*gga for instance because from what I've seen it is usually used in a positive light while the actual n word is never used in a positive light. I think the actual n word is a disgusting word and anyone who actually uses that when they are not Black is racist a 100% but I don't get the uproar that happens when a non black person sings n*gga in a song for instance. Would love to her you guy's thoughts on this. Also I just said it in this post to differentiate between the two, don't usually write the word either.

Robert Khachatryan

I think a lot of the "eyerolls" around wokeness has to do with how annoying social media can be in general and how performative/reactionary social media inherently is. I've worked in the social justice field for 15 years and it's hard, complex, infuriating,hopeful work that is ultimately largely unseen. Whereas sometimes with the stuff I see online, I think it's easy for folks not do commit to the hard work of continued learning and active allyship if they are perceived to be "woke".

IJS

Bob's face when he does his "australian" accent sends me

Loved the show. Wokeness is a great concept but the word is awful. We should use another term, I like awareness. Thanks for giving us an early episode!

Jessica

I'm not from the US, I'm from Barbados but I have heard that term on American TV at least once. Can't remember where exactly though.

Lisa A D

Has Bob's congestion been brought up before? Give them an allergy pill 😭

Agnes in Wonderland

Bob looks really good here

Corey Green

The net positive idea made me think of the TV show, The Good Place. It's majorly discussed

Corrina Mattison

I also think that. I know when I watched Trixie and Katya (as an example). Trixie would talk about the Female body as below and not as important. Making comments about unfertile females not knowing how to have sex correctly or when they spoke about LGBT+ people not needing marriage rights (or similar). Which will allow you to get any right that a family member would. Hospital Visitation being one.

Disclosure on Netflix was such a good documentary, it's so crazy how normalised transphobia used to be

hard to follow lol

Derek Williams

bob your australian accent is the same as your lawrence chaney accent pls😭😭😭

I really loved this episode. The point about policing other’s genitals is particularly relevant for women. For some reason everyone is obsessed with female genitalia whether it’s on a man or a woman. Why are they so pressed about pussies?!

Kitty

I’m Salish and Apache btw, living on the Flathead reservation in MT! Love you all Patreons! 💞🏳️‍🌈

Alyssa whitworth

New pat! I’m Native American and I have a question lol have you guys in bigger cities from the south and New York ever heard the rude slang term towards native Americans as a Prairie N*??? I’ve grown up on a reservation predominantly white. And I’ve heard this and many other things coinciding with black and Native American insults.

Alyssa whitworth

Well done, fam !

Bob sounds exactly like an Australian.... who was born and raised in South Africa, with South African parents and has never been to Australia

Disagree with Bob on his idea that if you were to move away from a group of tall black men that makes you racist. I’d do the same if I saw a group of tall white men, or Asian, or basically any group of men. This is why I believe this show, and a lot of drag content really lacks a female perspective sometimes.

💜💜💜

Jeanette Carter

i agree with both bob and monet, i dont think "wokeness" is inherently bad. but like monet said, "wokeness" has become performative for a lot of people on social media. i know a lot of people that are seemingly "woke" on instagram or whatever, and they talk a good talk... but they dont walk it like they talk it.

anthony w.

It's incredible

Camila Méndez

I kind of agree that it's not appropriate to wear. Don't wear shit that other people have died for.

Those early green screen episodes are precious. 🤣

Morticia Baddams

Please welcome to the stage, Cherry Sanchez

YASSS BOB this shirt is everything! also, not me watching this and eating trail mix instead of doing work lmao

anthony w.

wow i joined at the perfect time literally everytime i log in theres new content from you guys

this delayed audio is giving me very 2018 sibling rivalry vibes

Pick up the goddamn cat

Francis

I was about to go to bed, but instead I got some chips and a blunt and turned this on hahaha

Kayla Haynes

HOLY FUCKK AS SOMEONE IN COLLEGE TO BECOME A TEACHER BOB MAKING FUN OF MONETS HAND SIGN HAD ME CACKLING

Also I’ve had a guy try to record me sloshing his known MULTIPLE TIMES without asking like FUCK MEN

Allie

Ayo sis thanks!

Thank god for this being posted 3 mins before sitting down for a geeb sesh

Allie

Yall rlly be spoiling us with all this content😍

Thank God bitch. I needed something to watch while i burned my... Laganjae Estranja😂

I wish Patreon had Gifs cause I was snatched when I saw this.

well fed tonight yup yup

Omg the bf and I were just about to put a movie on.. guess we’re screen mirroring Patreon now... 🤣

dang

Andy Rivero

We are like consistently getting fed and I’m not going to lie it still gags me every time. I love y’all but my mind is still used to getting one episode monthly 😭 Thank you!

Ayee bedtime podcast right in time!

Clemenza

yeaaaah early! i love it i don’t have to fight the urge to not listen to podcast only first while i wait for the vid 😂

aina

Damn ok ♥️

Yessss I just subbed and I’m early!!

SO EXCITED

This was early!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽

Topper503

estoy listo ♥️

Carlos Garcia

FIRST

Andy Rivero

The children being FED

William

FED. y'all weren't lying with these biweekly uploads!

i'm ready

Yesssss a nice evening pod — thanks Mo and Bob!

Davey