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Episode 167: Ms. Cope

Twilight chapter 5/Midnight Sun chapter 5

We're back! After a week's break, it's time to check back in with the money fandom again, now that the new Fantastic Beasts has been in theaters for nearly a month. More importantly, we've got a new pair of Twilight/Midnight Sun chapters to discuss! This week we see some of the most recognizable moments and traits of the series on display; for better and for much, much worse. Edward is finally starting to behave the way all the memes, jokes, and critics in 2005 pointed out--does it hold up? Were their assessments fair? We chat about the ins and outs of romance tropes, book marketing, and the odd intersection of pop culture and cultural critique that Twilight generated.

Slapping a pretty broad but firm content warning on this one!! This chapter sees Edward becoming the domineering, possessive leading man he's (in)famous for being. The book is obviously very corny and we keep the discussion light and fun, but there's no getting around the fact that, all discussion about presentation, context, and romantic fantasy aside, the behavior we're discussing is pretty upsetting. 

Episode 167: Ms. Cope

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I didn't take any science class I didn't have to (I was really pushing for the Greek Civ elective lol) but I remember one science class at my school did do blood typing. It was an upper level Bio or A&P class, and it was a pretty intensely academic college prep environment, so it never seemed out of place to me, honestly, but it would have for sure in the public school I went to K-8. My impression is also that it really doesn't take much blood, and it was only done in small classes with a lot of supervision and safety measures involved. Like, about as much blood as a daily blood sugar prick would take. There was also a blood drive at my school one year (possibly after Katrina?) that 18 year olds were allowed to donate to (still with permission slips) that was tied up with the emphasis they put on service, and I think the blood typing was connected to that too, which is why the excuse in the book didn't make me bat an eye.

Diana Gibson

Ok I got to this episode late, but just wanted to contribute, as a writer who is in the middle of this right now—the editor would have specified that they were publishing this as YA at the time of acquisition. It wouldn't have been sprung on Meyer as a surprise later. And there wouldn't have been much wiggle room—if the acquiring imprint is a YA imprint, they're only going to acquire/publish YA titles. I also don't think Twilight could have been published as adult fiction, because the publishing industry is stupidly rigid about the lines. If the protagonist is 16 or 17, it's YA. If they're 19, it's New Adult (see: A Court of Thorns and Roses). If the editor is acquiring for New Adult and is interested in your MS, but your protagonist is 17, they're not going to publish it as YA instead; they will ask you to age up the protagonist, or they will pass on the book. Honestly, it's really stupid.


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