Chapter 21: Hermione’s Secret | Prisoner of Azkaban (Ad Free!)
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could also be an adding factor to why he believes Sirius! He knows some shenanigans are happening
Maggie Pugh
2024-11-01 19:38:00 +0000 UTCDo you think Dumbledore doesn't tell them about saving Buckbeak because that would kind of create a paradox? Dumbledore saw that Buckbeak went missing and therefore knew they would succeed in saving Sirius? So they had to figure it out on their own. Not sure if that makes sense. Also may be why Dumbledore couldn't go with them!
Maggie Pugh
2024-11-01 19:36:56 +0000 UTCClassic Dumbledore! Already thinking of Goblet when Madame Maxime asks for single malt whisky for her Abraxan and Dumbledore's like "Yup we have that. Welcome" 😂😂 (It will be attended to)
H Huhum
2024-10-30 22:13:51 +0000 UTCI’d never heard of wangle (not that I’m aware off) like you guys, and then as you pointed the word out, I came across it right away: in the intro of this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDq8KQjm4zY
Juniper Meisje
2024-10-29 09:10:33 +0000 UTCI LOVE your user/profile name! SO good! 🤭
AHuffleClawAndASwiftie
2024-10-28 21:07:19 +0000 UTCI think you make a good point, it does not make sense for time turners to allow someone to save themselves. Imagine someone going into a duel to the death, knowing they have a time turner and thinking that should they be on the losing end, their future self could step in and defeat their opponent, that would make me really uncomfortable. However, I do believe that what happens the first time is what always happens, as a sort of Fate if you will. I think Harry is in a unique position where there is no consistent way where he gets the dementors kiss, because if he does, Dumbledores whole plan falls apart, as Harry is the only one who can defeat Voldemort so Dumbledore would have to step in and save Harry. And because there is no way Harry kan get the kiss, he specifically is able to save himself, as there has to be a consistent way for thinks to work out in both timelines
Bart Valentijn
2024-10-27 22:59:54 +0000 UTCIt cracks me up that Dumbledore is either, “Ah yes, I’ll have a spot of tea” British, or “HAGRID POUR ME A PINT OF BRANDY WE’RE GETTING SLOSHED” British. 😂😂😂
Audra Lahr
2024-10-27 20:13:39 +0000 UTCSnape’s reputation though is also not perfect and he shouldn’t be taken at his word along after all he vehemently despises Sirius and was a Former Death Eater loyal to Voldemort up until just a few months b4 his fall and was initially his loyal Spy b4 becoming a turncoat spy for Dumbledore for selfish reasons and in the end was a triple agent that only did the right thing in the end for the sake of revenge. The fact that this means Snape has Successfully lied to both Voldemort and Dumbledore is enough proof to me his word is only as honest as it needs to be to serve his own agenda.
Silverbacked-EmeraldEyed Slytherin Wolf
2024-10-27 16:06:08 +0000 UTCHey Brothers, with all respect, I disagree with your comment that “this puts the nail in the coffin” of my Snape theory. Again, with all respect, I think you completely misunderstood my Snape theory. Let me explain: One of the major problems with the time turner plot in POA is that it leads to a bootstrap paradox at the lake. Only because Future Harry saves Past Harry from the dementors, Past Harry is able to travel back in time as now Future Harry and save himself. But if Harry hadn’t survived at the lake, he wouldn’t have been alive to go back and save himself. This is a major problem, unless we have misunderstood all along how time turners work in the HP canon (Which does NOT include Cursed Child!!!). Part of my theory is that time turners can only be used to go back and change past events, if the time travelers plans what they will use the turner for in advance, and then successfully executes their plan. Hermione for example, she can plan ahead of time on using the time turner to go back and take multiple classes held in the same hour, but when she misses a Charms class in Chapter 15 by accidentally sleeping through it, she can’t just go back in time and fix it. Time turner’s aren’t magic erasers for a wizards mistakes. For example, you can’t just go back in time and erase Cedric’s death (looking at you Cursed Child)! Hermione being very caught up and involved in the defense for Buckbeaks trial would’ve wanted to do something to help him, and she had just the thing. She planned all along to go back and free Buckbeak, and I believe even Dumbledore was in it with her to do this, which is why he acts so in the know during the execution/escape scene But then she got sidetracked, by being caught up in the whole Shrieking Shack fiasco with Black, Lupin, Pettigrew and… Snape. Why is Snape important? I’m glad you asked. When Harry and Sirius are later at the lake under attack by the Dementors, the only person who would’ve been present and able to cast a patronus to save them would’ve been Snape. Lupin after all had already transformed into his wolf form. I believe that Snape awoke from his unconscious state and ran to save Harry. Harry did not see Snape, but saw something that looked like a doe/stag, but being half unconscious himself couldn’t really tell the difference. This allows Harry to survive, and then him and Hermione would go back in time. From here on out, I will refer to this original timeline Harry as Harry #1. I believe Harry #1 this time ends up running to the edge of the lake and casts his Patronus to save what we will call Harry #2. Harry #2 looks across the lake before passing out, and sees someone who looks like him, who he thinks is his father. Then this Harry #2 wakes up in the hospital, he and Hermione #2 go back in time and now Harry #2 realizes that it wasn’t actually his father that saved him, but himself, so he runs forward to save what I will call Harry #3. To summarize it, there are three timelines: Timeline 1- Snape saves Harry #1 Timeline 2- Harry #1 saves Harry #2, Harry # 2 sees what he thinks is James Timeline 3- Harry #2 realizes that who he thought was James was actually him, saves Harry #3. In this theory, time travel sorts of works as an editor, adding extra layers, almost like re-recording over another recording on a tape or something like that. What I like about this theory is it solves all of the time travel paradoxes in the book, and makes such logical sense. And it is fitting and beautiful that Snape’s doe Patronus (representing Lily) and Harry’s stag Patronus (representing James) both played pivotal roles in this rescue. The objections that you raised don’t falsify this theory, because according to my theory what we the reader see when Harry wakes up in the hospital is after he has already saved himself in timeline 2. Snape saves Harry only in timeline 1. So in this timeline Harry was in fact saved by himself, saw himself, and Snape wouldn’t have known who did it.
Don
2024-10-27 15:25:56 +0000 UTCAhhh I’ve had such a long day this is exactly what I needed to de-stress
Amelia (not Bones)
2024-10-26 23:44:07 +0000 UTCIt's definitely confusing and I'll explain with Harry Potter and a bit of a real-life example just in case the Harry Potter one is confusing. Apologies in advance, this is going to be a bit long. Let's say the whole saving Sirius and Buckbeak thing happens from 7:30-10:30. At 10:30, future-Harry and Hermione will go back in time to 7:30 and save Buckbeak by bowing and leading him away to safety. At 7:30, from an omniscient glance, present-Harry Ron and Hermione hear the unmistakable swish of an axe and Hagrid sobbing - but in this chapter we learn that Macnair hit a fence and Hagrid is sobbing in joy. Our perspective is different but the events are the same BECAUSE of future Harry and Hermione. Macnair always hit a fence, Hagrid is sobbing in joy, and Buckbeak is free. Same thing with the lake: Future Harry casts the stag patronus to save himself and Sirius from the Dementors. It happened the first time too - Present and Future Harry are both there because it is say 9:00 PM. So you're right about it being a loop and playing the same way ! Present Harry sees the patronus casting away the dementors and passes out, Future Harry casts the patronus and watches himself past out. It's the same event at the same time. So I would say that changing time doesn't exist and Hermione is just being careful about the rules of time or what she's read. My non Harry Potter example which might be simpler would be let's say at 10 AM you decide to go to the store to buy some pancakes. What's meant to happen is you trip over a cart wheel and hit your head on an aisle (e.g. Buckbeak and Sirius are supposed to die, which seems imminent and no one can do anything about it) but you are are able to buy your pancake batter and go home at say 12 PM noon. At 12 PM noon, say you Time Travel and know that you are supposed to hit your head, you need to stop that from happening because you are aware that it didn't happen because you did not hit your head the first time! (e.g. Harry knows he has to cast the Patronus because he saw the galloping stag the first time), so you move the cart wheel and thus prevent yourself from falling. Therefore the "first time" is ALWAYS what happens... You haven't changed time itself - you've changed what YOU do and what you're aware of, but the events are the same. So you never hit your head either time because future you made sure that you didn't, just like how Harry saved Sirius and Buckbeak - they were always going to be saved because by 10:30 PM, they are both flying away. Only difference is that future versions live through it twice.
H Huhum
2024-10-26 21:24:54 +0000 UTCCan someone explain the, what happens has always happened, point around the time turner to me please? I have always thought of it in a way that there is always a first time turner trip, where things get changed etc., and from that point on time would loop and play out the same way, but there IS a first where big changes can happen. Hermione even has a line about changing time being against wizarding law. Just feel like I'm missing something 🧐
Nicole Nerise
2024-10-26 15:57:28 +0000 UTCDidn’t Fudge visit Azkaban when Sirius first escaped?? Maybe he knows about the chocolate 🍫 b/c of that visit?? Just a thought … 🤔 And, this is where the movie did it SLIGHTLY better, I think, where when they went back, they were just in the empty hospital 🏥 wing “at 7:30”. Also, I JUST realized that a child out of wedlock must be frowned upon in the Wizarding World, somehow? Because every adult in the series with kids IS married … like nobody is divorced or just not married, right?? How does THAT make sense?? 😅🤔
AHuffleClawAndASwiftie
2024-10-26 13:18:00 +0000 UTCI said the same thing. 😊
AHuffleClawAndASwiftie
2024-10-26 13:17:55 +0000 UTCI mean i could see fudge knowing about Chocolate working against dementors simply as has to visit Azkaban often as minster it seems.
Silver
2024-10-26 04:04:26 +0000 UTCAround The Circle Again!!
Librarin OrangeTux
2024-10-26 00:16:06 +0000 UTC
