Chapter 21: Hermione’s Secret | Prisoner of Azkaban (Ad Free!)
Added 2024-10-25 21:00:04 +0000 UTCJoin J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 21 of the Prisoner of Azkaban and discuss Snape and Fudge’s conversation, why Dumbledore believes Sirius, the time turner, saving Buckbeak, the in-between-the-action moments, Harry’s belief that the patronus was cast by his dad, Harry actually casting the patronus, and saving Sirius.
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Comments
Also, does Jonathan say "Something is THE foot" rather than "Something is Afoot"?
Joshua Ware
2024-12-20 03:45:04 +0000 UTCHaving to go back in time before the Dementors kiss has happened doesn't make sense though, since they didn't have to go back in time before Buckbeak's execution to prevent it from happening, right?
Joshua Ware
2024-12-19 20:47:31 +0000 UTCNot sure if someone already mentioned it. Regarding the "Page 394" thing, in the german original hard cover edition of the book, on that particular page, Lupin is transforming into a Werewolf after they left the Shrieking Shack. So in that version of the book, it is not directly when we first learn, that Lupin is a Werewolf, but it kind of fits. At least better than in the version you were reading.
Dennis Klein
2024-11-14 21:22:00 +0000 UTCThis seems more like an alternate reality fanfic to me because you are adding another timeline that is never seen.
Buc Reviewer
2024-10-30 09:45:23 +0000 UTCHarry would still be visible when he's going to get the cloke, you say the characters forget about the power of the cloke, you seem to forget that said power only works when you have it! As for Hagrid seeing him not mattering, they can't know it wouldn't matter. He might have asked Harry to go with him since he probably isn't meant to be out. Hermione is operating on the side of caution here.
Buc Reviewer
2024-10-29 10:40:10 +0000 UTCThey need McNair the do the swinging of the axe into the fence because that's what the three of them heard earlier, and they thought Buckbeak and been executed.
Buc Reviewer
2024-10-29 10:20:36 +0000 UTCIt’s not that James is alive, it’s the feelings of love, hope, sacrifice that pulls James over to veil to save his son.
Amy Melsoner
2024-10-28 23:28:36 +0000 UTCI’ve often wondered if Lupin would transfer in the morning with a full moon
Amy Melsoner
2024-10-28 23:20:45 +0000 UTCHey Brothers, with all respect, I disagree with your comment that “this puts the nail in the coffin” of my Snape theory. Again, with all respect, I think you completely misunderstood my Snape theory. Let me explain: One of the major problems with the time turner plot in POA is that it leads to a bootstrap paradox at the lake. Only because Future Harry saves Past Harry from the dementors, Past Harry is able to travel back in time as now Future Harry and save himself. But if Harry hadn’t survived at the lake, he wouldn’t have been alive to go back and save himself. This is a major problem, unless we have misunderstood all along how time turners work in the HP canon (Which does NOT include Cursed Child!!!). Part of my theory is that time turners can only be used to go back and change past events, if the time travelers plans what they will use the turner for in advance, and then successfully executes their plan. Hermione for example, she can plan ahead of time on using the time turner to go back and take multiple classes held in the same hour, but when she misses a Charms class in Chapter 15 by accidentally sleeping through it, she can’t just go back in time and fix it. Time turner’s aren’t magic erasers for a wizards mistakes. For example, you can’t just go back in time and erase Cedric’s death (looking at you Cursed Child)! Hermione being very caught up and involved in the defense for Buckbeaks trial would’ve wanted to do something to help him, and she had just the thing. She planned all along to go back and free Buckbeak, and I believe even Dumbledore was in it with her to do this, which is why he acts so in the know during the execution/escape scene But then she got sidetracked, by being caught up in the whole Shrieking Shack fiasco with Black, Lupin, Pettigrew and… Snape. Why is Snape important? I’m glad you asked. When Harry and Sirius are later at the lake under attack by the Dementors, the only person who would’ve been present and able to cast a patronus to save them would’ve been Snape. Lupin after all had already transformed into his wolf form. I believe that Snape awoke from his unconscious state and ran to save Harry. Harry did not see Snape, but saw something that looked like a doe/stag, but being half unconscious himself couldn’t really tell the difference. This allows Harry to survive, and then him and Hermione would go back in time. From here on out, I will refer to this original timeline Harry as Harry #1. I believe Harry #1 this time ends up running to the edge of the lake and casts his Patronus to save what we will call Harry #2. Harry #2 looks across the lake before passing out, and sees someone who looks like him, who he thinks is his father. Then this Harry #2 wakes up in the hospital, he and Hermione #2 go back in time and now Harry #2 realizes that it wasn’t actually his father that saved him, but himself, so he runs forward to save what I will call Harry #3. To summarize it, there are three timelines: Timeline 1- Snape saves Harry #1 Timeline 2- Harry #1 saves Harry #2, Harry # 2 sees what he thinks is James Timeline 3- Harry #2 realizes that who he thought was James was actually him, saves Harry #3. In this theory, time travel sorts of works as an editor, adding extra layers, almost like re-recording over another recording on a tape or something like that. What I like about this theory is it solves all of the time travel paradoxes in the book, and makes such logical sense. And it is fitting and beautiful that Snape’s doe Patronus (representing Lily) and Harry’s stag Patronus (representing James) both played pivotal roles in this rescue. The objections that you raised don’t falsify this theory, because according to my theory what we the reader see when Harry wakes up in the hospital is after he has already saved himself in timeline 2. Snape saves Harry only in timeline 1. So in this timeline Harry was in fact saved by himself, saw himself, and Snape wouldn’t have known who did it.
Don
2024-10-27 15:25:44 +0000 UTCA potential what if: what if Lupin got caught in the moonlight on his way out to the shrieking shack and transformed before he got there? Would he have gone into the Forrest, and would it be left to Sirius to explain? Could he have explained everything without Lupin? Would Harry never believe Sirius? Or would Lupin go into the shrieking shack as a werewolf??
Eimear
2024-10-27 09:48:08 +0000 UTCI knew I knew this word. I grew up in the south. lol Wangle: to obtain something through persuasion or manipulation
hufflepuffstixsnyper
2024-10-27 07:38:28 +0000 UTC
