Chapter 20: The Dementor’s Kiss | Prisoner of Azkaban (Ad Free!)
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Hey Brothers, with all respect, I think you completely misunderstood my Snape theory. Let me explain: One of the major problems with the time turner plot in POA is that it leads to a bootstrap paradox at the lake. Only because Future Harry saves Past Harry from the dementors, Past Harry is able to travel back in time as now Future Harry and save himself. But if Harry hadn’t survived at the lake, he wouldn’t have been alive to go back and save himself. This is a major problem, unless we have misunderstood all along how time turners work in the HP canon (Which does NOT include Cursed Child!!!). Part of my theory is that time turners can only be used to go back and change past events, if the time travelers plans what they will use the turner for in advance, and then successfully executes their plan. Hermione for example, she can plan ahead of time on using the time turner to go back and take multiple classes held in the same hour, but when she misses a Charms class in Chapter 15 by accidentally sleeping through it, she can’t just go back in time and fix it. Time turner’s aren’t magic erasers for a wizards mistakes. For example, you can’t just go back in time and erase Cedric’s death (looking at you Cursed Child)! Hermione being very caught up and involved in the defense for Buckbeaks trial would’ve wanted to do something to help him, and she had just the thing. She planned all along to go back and free Buckbeak, and I believe even Dumbledore was in it with her to do this, which is why he acts so in the know during the execution/escape scene But then she got sidetracked, by being caught up in the whole Shrieking Shack fiasco with Black, Lupin, Pettigrew and… Snape. Why is Snape important? I’m glad you asked. When Harry and Sirius are later at the lake under attack by the Dementors, the only person who would’ve been present and able to cast a patronus to save them would’ve been Snape. Lupin after all had already transformed into his wolf form. I believe that Snape awoke from his unconscious state and ran to save Harry. Harry did not see Snape, but saw something that looked like a doe/stag, but being half unconscious himself couldn’t really tell the difference. This allows Harry to survive, and then him and Hermione would go back in time. From here on out, I will refer to this original timeline Harry as Harry #1. I believe Harry #1 this time ends up running to the edge of the lake and casts his Patronus to save what we will call Harry #2. Harry #2 looks across the lake before passing out, and sees someone who looks like him, who he thinks is his father. Then this Harry #2 wakes up in the hospital, he and Hermione #2 go back in time and now Harry #2 realizes that it wasn’t actually his father that saved him, but himself, so he runs forward to save what I will call Harry #3. To summarize it, there are three timelines: Timeline 1- Snape saves Harry #1 Timeline 2- Harry #1 saves Harry #2, Harry # 2 sees what he thinks is James Timeline 3- Harry #2 realizes that who he thought was James was actually him, saves Harry #3. In this theory, time travel sorts of works as an editor, adding extra layers, almost like re-recording over another recording on a tape or something like that. What I like about this theory is it solves all of the time travel paradoxes in the book, and makes such logical sense. And it is fitting and beautiful that Snape’s doe Patronus (representing Lily) and Harry’s stag Patronus (representing James) both played pivotal roles in this rescue. The objections that you raised don’t falsify this theory, because according to my theory what we the reader see when Harry wakes up in the hospital is after he has already saved himself in timeline 2. Snape saves Harry only in timeline 1. So in this timeline Harry was in fact saved by himself, saw himself, and Snape wouldn’t have known who did it.
Don
2024-10-25 00:25:07 +0000 UTCSo I always interpreted this fight as a bit unfair as we have no supporting evidence to suggest that James Alone could stop Lupin either. It seems like it is always suggested that it took both of them to deal with Remus plus the other thing that has to be taken into account is that Sirius is far from being at full strength at this point and his emotional state is probably feeling overwhelmed processing the first positive emotions he’s felt in 12 years give or take
Silverbacked-EmeraldEyed Slytherin Wolf
2024-10-20 15:36:43 +0000 UTCTheory on why Peter needs a wand. We know from canon that he isn’t as good with magic. His friends essentially had to guide him through the animagus process to begin with. What if he was MOSTLY successful in becoming an animagus, but he wasn’t quite powerful enough magically to do this form of wandless magic? His is the only known scenario where three otherwise fully capable wizards have help a non-capable wizard through the animagus process. The process itself weeds out those who would need a wand as it’s so difficult. What if there’s a part of the process that depends on wandless magic that one of the three marauders helped him with? But because he can’t do it by himself wandless, he is forced to use his wand. As far as anyone else in the wizarding world is concerned, there are no animagi who have to use a wand. Peter is the only exception, because somehow, his three friends helped him just enough. He would be the only magical person in known history that had to use a wand.
Audra Lahr
2024-10-19 18:27:24 +0000 UTCIf Peter were bit by Remus it would mean that Voldemort would be part rat and werewolf and man if you think about it
H Huhum
2024-10-19 14:17:23 +0000 UTCRe Sirius not controlling Lupin, I was never under the impression that James, Sirius, and Peter being present made Lupin not want to kill humans, just that, in the absence of prey, he could maintain his mind. Whenever they encountered humans during their excursions, James and Sirius had to physically restrain him. As for Peter needing a wand, I think that Harry is too late to stun or otherwise restrain him, not that he can't transform without a wand. I think that Peter is "chained" either way, because he can't really go anywhere as a human. So while he's free to become a hermit, isolation is just chains of a different kind.
David
2024-10-19 13:17:25 +0000 UTCLupin would have been executed if he killed Pettigrew as a werewolf
Amy Melsoner
2024-10-19 00:13:47 +0000 UTCSirius has something to look forward to and something new to lose!
Amy Melsoner
2024-10-19 00:06:05 +0000 UTCI wholeheartedly agree: the person on the ground looks more like Hermione than Sirius! 😅 Also, then if Death/“Dementor King” (😉) was originally invisible 🫥, HOW could the 3 brothers SEE him in the first place to be able to give them all the “gifts” in the story?? And I THINK that J.K. DID consider killing Ron at one point, but I’m not sure which book she had considered it … Maybe in the 4th book instead of Cedric … 🤔 Also, aww 🥰, now I’m imagining a doggie 🐶 tail thumping madly & doing the dog happy pant!! 😍😍 If you have a puppy or are a dog person, you know EXACTLY what I mean here!! 🥹🐶 And chocolate 🍫 is also said to work with depression; thus, chocolate against Dementors, as well. 👍🏻 Also, I always read that as Fudge just being a complete “idiot” & totally not understanding the dangers of Dementors!! 😅 And, actually, in the BBC show, Merlin 🧙🏼♂️, unicorns 🦄 are also seen as like “pure” creatures & killing one will cause a curse to come to Camelot. Any more Merlin fans out there in the comments?? 🙋🏽♀️ I know it’s more of a “kid” show, but I just recently started re-watching the show as an adult & I’m still LOVING it!! 😍 Also, if Boggarts are “baby dementors”, then does that mean if there’s more depression out there, does that mean there will also be more Boggarts out there, too?? 🤯
AHuffleClawAndASwiftie
2024-10-18 23:31:43 +0000 UTCHaha! 😆 Hi again!! 👋🏻 (And yes, I just copy & paste my comment from the audio version; it’s SO much easier than re-typing it all over again! 😅)
AHuffleClawAndASwiftie
2024-10-18 23:31:38 +0000 UTCHey, Howdy, Hey Audio Only Crew... Wait, where am I? My second listen!!
Librarin OrangeTux
2024-10-18 22:53:54 +0000 UTC
