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Better Call Saul S4 Ep 2 | Full Length Reaction!

I definitely have some conflicting feelings about what's going on.. I dont know how to explain it, but it feels like the training wheels have officially fallen off with this show, and we're entering uncharted territory. Feels like anything can happen at any time and I feel pretty on edge with how the series is going... did you guys feel the same way going into season 4??? Lemme know!! 😥😰

PS WE'RE FULLY BACK ON SCHEDULE THIS WEEK!!!! 🥳🎉

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Yeah I think its telling us that while on the surface he looks fine, deep down he's a mess and is trying to hide it - like Chuck...

Saltire

Haha thats awesome. I know they did a spoof video about America's Most Wanted, with them trying to track down Saul Goodman; but never seen that before!

Saltire

Kim has Jimmy's back and is living with him. She sees that he's closing off and quiet, and feels Howard and everything he's offering to them just now, is only adding to his woes. On top of that, they have been rivals for a while now, and both Kim and Jimmy really feel that Howard is one of the problems they both had when Chuck was around. He was always getting in the way some way or another, either with Jimmy when Chuck was secretly telling Howard not to hire him etc, and the way Howard was treating Kim by putting her in the doghouse again and again. While what some of the things she says is correct in her diatribe at him, this very much feels a way to put Howard down, as Jimmy did in the opening episode of the season.

Saltire

Howard's confession to Jimmy was entirely selfish. He wanted to absolve himself of his own guilt with no regard for Jimmy's feelings, on the very day of his brother's funeral. It was all about himself! It was best stated by Kim when she asked him, "Did you make the same confession to Rebecca?" Howard knew how Chuck had screwed over his brother time and time again, and was complicent in it, only because Chuck had told him to. Howard may have been wonderful to Chuck, but he was a total ass to Jimmy, as he was instructed to be. Jimmy's reaction to Howard after the confession was obvious denial and/or stuffing his feelings. The insurance thing killed Jimmy because he realized it was his own fault, but there was no way he was going to break down and show it to Howard! Better to just whistle and make coffee, like, I don't give a shit. A common human response to someone who has screwed you over for years, and then dumps this on you on one of the hardest days of your life. Howard is simply an asshole. Consider.

Jeff

Brilliantly said

PureGonzo

I want to point out that the BCS team did a *fantastic* job with the promotional materials - they made four separate 'training' video series for Mike, Gus, Kim and the film crew! Mike's one is about security training at Madrigal, so it takes place at this part in the series :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFmlyQNw_5E&t=160s&ab_channel=J.B.

Juuli Eskelinen

this is the only commend anyone needs to read... you killed it

Lubino

I'm a little surprised that you are surprised at how Gus "got his hands dirty" I mean, you watched him literally cut a man's neck with a box cutter in Breaking Bad.

TGrimace

So that scene where Kim explodes and snaps at Howard...I sort of interpret this as 4 seasons worth of anger building up, and building up, all leading up to this moment. How he buried her in Document Review earlier in the show after she brought Mesa Verde to the firm. Effectively driving her out of the firm. The rejection of Jimmy from day one. And I must say; Rhea Seehorn's performance of that scene; how does that not win an Emmy? I know that's another debate for another time and place but, wow. Top-tier acting; this is a stand-out episode among several in this series for sure.

WarriorPoet1980

A few thoughts on Jimmy's mental state after Chuck's death. In the last episode we had this scene of him just sitting on the couch, for the whole night, clearly deep in thought. I think a lot of introspection was going on during that time. All Jimmy ever did for basically his whole life was try and make Chuck proud. At least it was his core motivation. He wouldn't even be a lawyer if he wasn't trying to please Chuck. And now that Chuck's dead, not only does he have to reflect on how he feels about that but also what it means for his life going forward. As to his feelings; I'm sure they're complicated. He clearly loved Chuck and/or had a huge emotional attachment to him. But he also knows (or thinks to know) that Chuck didn't see him in the same way. So there's a lot of bitterness and resentment for even feeling like you miss him; Chuck wouldn't miss Jimmy (or so Jimmy thinks) so Jimmy might think it's unfair that he should be crippled by grief. So I think he decides to push those feelings away. Compartmentalize them, move on, act like you don't miss Chuck in the hopes that you actually won't. As to his life going forward, he has to choose what he wants to do next and how. I think the initial furious job search was a way to distract him from that question, of what he will do when his law license is reinstated. For the moment, he knows that he just needs to get by for a year. After that, if he does go back to being a lawyer (which we know he will at least eventually), what kind of a lawyer will he be? He always tried, for Chuck's sake, to be, in his own kind of warped way, a good and honorable lawyer. But that may be off the table now, not only because he doesn't NEED to impress Chuck anymore but also because he might go in another direction so he himself doesn't feel like he does it for Chuck anymore, so that he can further compartmentalize his lawyering career from his previous life of trying to make Chuck proud. A lot of other people have already echoed my thoughts on the scene in the copy shop, so I won't repeat them in detail. Just two additional things; for one, he might have planned to rob them as soon as he saw the Hummel figurine and therefore obviously not take the job, whether they offered it to him or not. So he took the opportunity to feel good about himself, flatter his ego with his persuasion skills only to then be the one to reject them instead of them even having the possibility of rejecting him. As I said, I think he thinks he just needs to get by for a year, he obviously doesn't really care about an actual job and that Hummel is easy money in his eyes. Two, I'm fairly sure when they were talking about that big copier that the guy mentioned could be used to make fake $5 bills, the implication was not that that interested Jimmy for the future but that he actually used to do that in his past. He says he worked with that machine in Chicago, so that would be before he worked in the mail room at HHM, it would be in his Slippin' Jimmy days. And we've already heard from Chuck that Jimmy used to do fake ID's and the like, a bit of money forgery isn't a far cry from that. Aside from all that, yes, Rhea Seehorn was just fantastic in that scene with Howard. I know big, loud, angry monologues often unfairly get all the glory in terms of acting recognition but still, this was just phenomenal. I think the best part was actually all her restraint before she finally exploded. You could see the emotion growing and bubbling inside her, and her actively trying to hold it back until Rebecca was gone. Even after that, she was still trying to be polite and composed for a while but at some point she just couldn't anymore. And all the emotion Rhea put into Kim when she's tearing into Howard, it wasn't just anger, it was also her own grief and feeling of being overwhelmed. I think part of it is what partners of grieving people often go through, where they feel they have to be the rock for their partner and can't express their own feelings because you don't want to put that on them as well. So I think all of that came out here, in what was probably pretty unfair to Howard.

Christophe

I think that’s part of it, for sure. There’s a theme where every time Jimmy tries to do things the right way, he loses, but when he resorts to scheming he’s rewarded. I think he’s deeply resentful of that as it’s a major reason he struggles to stay good. He resents people like his dad and the copy guys for helping to creating a world where the charismatic criminal side of his personality is rewarded more than the honest side of it.

Eric Wall

Jimmy is certainly giving off the appearance of doing fine, but he definitely isn't. Not sure if you saw but just before he went in for the job interview, as he was sorting his hair, he noticed some strands of hair were falling out.

Max Hassam

I believe Jimmy also sees his Dad in the copier shop owners. They were easily swindled, just like his Dad was in the flashback scene.

Max Hassam

Also - regarding the ending bit, for whatever it's worth, IMO you've actually been pretty bang-on in terms of catching stuff and your opinions of it, so give yourself a bit of credit 😆 But yeah, the internet definitely has a way of bringing certain sides out of people, I guess. If you wouldn't say it, don't type it 🤜🏻🤛🏻

Zack

Honestly I always found Jimmy’s behavior at this point really confusing as well lol. I think this is us starting to see a bit deeper into some of Jimmy’s self-destructive tendencies and how unhealthily he deals with loss.

Zack

The Way Jimmy is acting, is classic fleeing behavior. He is ANGRY and HATEFUL and so he's taking it out on everyone around him, but also in a constant state of denial. He is keeping himself busy because he can't have a moment of peace or he will think about it too much. He wasn't setting out to rob anyone, but Slippin Jimmy is creeping back up and he loves to get away with things.

panacamanana

She does kick ass.

MertzRocks

No half-measures. I think Mike sensed that in Gus too.

MertzRocks

I think Jimmy saw those guys as being like Chuck in that Jimmy wasn't good enough, so he took out his anger on them by "proving" that he was better than they believed. For Kim's part, she seems to have a lot of pent up anger, as well, for the way everybody keeps treating her man. She knows Howard laid a heavy burden on Jimmy, and Chuck was still trying to stick it to Jimmy, so she vented. Fair or not, she wants to protect Jimmy and be a positive influence for him, so she lied about not going out, and she hid the letter. I think both Kim and Jimmy are very outwardly calm, rational people, but each of them has a lot of passion and compassion that they only show to each other. Saul is a bit like Jimmy's Heisenberg personality, though, his own Mr. Hyde, which is starting to assert itself.

Thaddeus Winterson

Sweeping the sidewalk of his chicken business during the day, smothering someone with a plastic bag over the head at night. You are correct V. Gus is a Super Villain. Calm one minute, showing his dominance the next. He is a great character!!!

David Cansler

So Vicky, he could sense in the interview that he was getting the could shoulder and wasn't going to get a job offer. He try to work his Saul angle on them to see if he could manipulate them into a job offer, and he resented them for being suckers - he's pissed that every time he tries something legitimately it doesn't pan out - but its SO EASY for "saul" to get what he wants. He was pissed because it felt like the world was telling him "Jimmy is a loser. Saul is a winner. Who do you want to be?"

Dale Diaz

The reason Jimmy turned down the copy-salesman job the way he did was he got the sense that the guys interviewing him were clearly rejecting him (which they certainly appeared to be, probably because he's an out-of-work lawyer) and Jimmy decided he would go back in, turn the tables and reject them instead. It appeared obvious after last season that Jimmy is sensitive regarding rejection since Chuck (harshly) rejected him in their last scene together. And if you think about the fact that Chuck's last words to Jimmy was about the most serious rejection Jimmy's ever faced, it makes sense he would take his bitterness out on anyone he sees as directing the same (or similar) type of rejection at him. That doesn't make it right... but it does make sense of where he's coming from.

Colby Stewart

RHEA FREAKIN SEEHORN

duffmanx2000

Did Howard deserved to get yelled at by Kim? I dunno but I would also find it hard to be civil, if my significant other only got enough money from their brother to prevent them from contesting the will. Meanwhile, Rebecca's getting the house and at least some of Chuck's other assets. The entire situation just feels like a massive fuck you. Given Howard was front-and-center at the hearing between Chuck and Jimmy, knowing full well that Chuck intentionally manipulated Jimmy into breaking in and still stood by Chuck, it's kinda hard to be friendly so soon afterwards. Honestly, I wouldn't blame her for being cold to Howard. This is the same guy who took her gift of Mesa Verde as a client, and barely even acknowledged her work. And I think this is part of what drives Kim's growing distaste towards the legal community; so much of her professional life seems to revolve around being 'friends' with people who are comfortable screwing you over, if it suits their purposes, instead of actually helping anyone. That scene where she ripped Howard in half really got me. I never even considered Kim’s perspective on Howard’s confession and why Jimmy reacted the way he did. She clearly loves him fiercely and sees the psychological damage it has done to Jimmy. Probably the best Kim moment thus far.

Joe Lazarus

A big part of the reason Jimmy is acting like this around Chuck’s death is because he shares a level of responsibility for it that neither Howard or Kim are aware of. It’s emotionally safer for Jimmy to act like Chuck was a just a jerk he doesn’t care about then to admit to himself that he did care for Chuck *and helped kill him* with the insurance gambit. Kim sees this disconnect and I think it scares her. It doesn’t make any sense that Jimmy would act so heartless about Chuck, so it’s clear he’s struggling with this in ways that are invisible to her. She misdirects her own emotions at Howard because all she really knows is that Jimmy started acting weird right after Howard told him that, so she’s angry at him for saying anything. Finally, my read on the job interview scene is that Jimmy’s sublimated guilt is slipping out. He successfully talks his way into the job, but he’s got this inner loathing towards himself for being able to manipulate people like this. He also has a certain amount of contempt for people who are gullible enough to fall for him. It’s like a part of him gets disgusted with the situation in general and he lashes out. But the whole, “I could be a serial killer or a guy who pees in your coffee” thing… to me that’s Jimmy’s real feelings about himself. He sees himself as a bad person and thinks they’re stupid for liking him.

Eric Wall

"You really never mattered that much to me" That's what is going on with Jimmy.

Joe Lazarus

Smh, how DARE Howard have feelings. We all see how this is "really" a hard time for poor Jimmy. 🙄 Howard Deserves better. lol All jokes aside, I think that Jimmy rejecting the offer from the Copy shop guys was probably all about them reminding him of his father. He called them "Suckers" and how he could be anyone kinda like how his father believed anyone that asked for help was just a person in need. Maybe he was giving them the reality check that he wanted to give his father?

Tim McCabe

Jimmy is better call sauling all over the place

Deychen

thank-you V!

Deychen


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