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Losing Gaylor

Cara joins me to discuss Joe's latest scandal and where we're at with the Gaylor fandom.

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SoullessPrincess

thanks for sharing! i agree 100%

Jessica

re joe statement: i 100% agree with the fact that it feels very ..almost racist/antiblack when any stans try to find a gotcha moment to “cancel” someone and their intention behind it isn’t because they give a fuck about the racism, etc, but it’s to further their own fav or a ship or whatever. it feels so cheap and disrespectful and weirdddd. like as a black woman i think what he said was dead wrong Lol but i don’t think they were trying to come from a place of genuine concern about what was said…

sunny

easter eggs are also not necessarily clues to what is coming next or muses, they can just be fun references! i saw someone say that lavender haze was supposed to be the lead promo single and the video was meant to be like the yntcd video with references to the whole album which makes sense to me personally

Martha

my exact thought when naming the ep loo

Jessica

that's me in the corner... that's me in the spotlight... loooooossing my gaylor lmao

Mary Rose

you're so sweet lol

Jessica

SO true! Tik tok seems to only talk about Karlie when there’s clearly other muses!

Sarah Kacmarsky

“I still think we can have fruitful conversations about how Taylor swift is bisexual and what that means to the world without having to say everything she’s ever done is about karlie kloss” 🙌🏼 this is why I love the controversial swiftgron podcast ♥️

devon_paige

Listen I have a Kaylor bias and that's just fun for me. That said I think it's so weird that so many TikTokkers are claiming that she didn't intend Laith's character to be her love interest. I'm like how can you ignore like half the video? So weird. Also, I appreciated the background on why TTB's crazy is discussed here. I'm new to the Gaylor/Kaylor shipdom (not late stage) and found this space first. If it hadn't for the references here I would've never heard of TTB. Cheer up. At least we have Taylor's movie to look forward to. You know that's going to be a shit show.

Rach2410

Just want to say I think the podcast and blog are fun! I love all the sleuthing and conversations, and I appreciate how straightforward you are. 💚

Michelle

I'm definitely a gaylor and a kaylor that believes it was a thing and it's over and was really messy and she'll still write songs about. I wish people would stop saying craaaazy stuff across socials because the cringe is real andd i don't want them to ruin it for the rest of us. DONT STOP THE CONTENT! loving the kaylor timeline!! and just a sane voice 🙌🏼

sdub

Re: bearding/Blank Space above, there might be a bigger case to be made about how she explicitly derides or talks about “using” men in different ways in her songs beyond only bearding interpretations. Could be fun to round up and talk about all of those. The pod has definitely helped me re-contextualize Gaylor in a balanced and grounded way after coming into things exclusively via the timeline-shunning Kaylor world where everything seemed to make sense if a lot of reality was ignored. Still have a huge soft spot for it (Taylor’s kissgate night Tumblr likes haunt me) and love hearing from Emps on the topic too, but I love the evidence-based interpretation and all the tea. Even when it’s difficult to reconcile, I think it’s really important to do it. Even if it means people might be shittier or more complicated than you want them to be. Thanks!

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