I was actually surprised you didn't give the MVP to Yachi who ran to find someone to stop their "fight". (Hasn't watched the next episode btw)
Lost Soul
2023-11-02 08:27:22 +0000 UTC
do x2 eps for haikyuu :( </3
Κώστας Βασιλειάδης
2023-10-18 21:01:45 +0000 UTC
"Fighting on my own" just means as spiker, Hinata wants to be able to bring 100% to the team instead of being a tool used by Kageyama. It literally never made sense how people who have watched this anime in it's entirety try and act as if Hinata is being selfish here when this is literally the only time he's asked the team to try anything his way.
Mten10th
2023-10-18 18:30:14 +0000 UTC
weeee neeeeed moreeeee reactions :(
Ricsson
2023-10-18 14:45:58 +0000 UTC
At this moment in the anime (2x5) Hinata is an 8/10 WITH Kageyama as his setter. The freak quick is extremely powerful. With a different setter, he probably drops to about a 7 or even 6.
4mation
2023-10-18 13:09:42 +0000 UTC
Giving Hinata an 8/10 right now is very nice on your part. He’s only 2 points behind the BEST Ushijima? Lol
Kevin Campos
2023-10-17 14:29:25 +0000 UTC
As everyone's saying, this is a really good episode with an interesting core discussion!
Something that needs to be emphasised is that Kageyama wants the team to do well over anything else. Partly because of his middle school trauma where he was overbearing, he's scared of trying anything that might break team cohesion.
Any time they spend in practice (alone or matches) on improving the quick attack is time they could spend on other things.
The issue for Kageyama is that they're spending time on something which might NOT improve, instead of things that absolutely can (Hinata's receiving and serving are objectively poor).
So in Kageyama's mind, the way to win is to improve their volleyball basics and keep the quick attack as a surprise.
From Hinata's POV, the quick attack is all he's got. If it's not good enough to win, then there's no reason for him to be on the court because others are better than him at everything else. Even if he practices his other skills, he'll still just be worse than them because of their limited time to improve.
And he's not wrong: as seen by the early practice before they got to Tokyo, Karasuno was getting smoked without their quick attack. The team's overall level is low, so they need the gimmick offense.
Currently, in video game terms, Hinata is 8/10 on Attack, 3/10 on Defense and 3/10 on Technique.
Kageyama thinks Hinata should improve to a 5/10 on Def/Tech, and trust that Kageyama (who's 10/10 on everything) can bring the team to victory.
Hinata thinks that if he stays at 8/10 Attack, he won't be better than their opponents (like Liev and Nekoma) who have 8/10 Defense or higher. So it doesn't matter if he improves his other stats to just average.
Hinata's arguing that they should work to make the quick a 10/10 or maybe even 12/10. Without improving their attack, Karasuno will just lose less, not win more.
Who's right? Only one way to find out. Next time, on Haikyuu!
4mation
2023-10-17 13:21:47 +0000 UTC
I think Kageyama was just frustrated with Hinata's stubbornness. To Kageyama, it seems like Hinata is gambling at trying to improve the one area of his game that is strong at this point, when he could work on other things to become a more complete player. Kageyama says something like "Instead of trying something we may never be able to do, we should practice our current attacks, as well as serving and blocking (things that Hinata is pretty terrible at)." So I don't think Kageyama wants Hinata to stay weak, just improve in other areas instead of potentially disrupting the good things they have going.
I also get Hinata's desire to improve, but the line "I want to be able to fight on my own" always rubbed me the wrong way. Sure, him scoring more points may help the team, but fighting on your own flies in the face of everything the team is about.
Love the discussion and the reactions <3
SunnyhuunS
2023-10-17 02:26:31 +0000 UTC
This is one of those conflicts that is really stressful because neither side is wrong. Kageyama wants Hinata to focus on his other shortcomings and become a more well rounded player, while Hinata wants to take his one strength and hone it to the absolute limit.
Also remember that Ukai played setter, and Kageyama and Sugawara are also seeing it from a setter's point of view, so they don't necessarily have that experience of being in control of that moment that Hinata is talking about.
Jake Thompson
2023-10-16 22:19:36 +0000 UTC
interesting discussion at the end!!!
Girish
2023-10-16 17:15:51 +0000 UTC
This season is probably my favorite for all the different character dynamics and "evolutions" it portrays. Season 3 is my favorite overall for team volleyball and a very specific character arc.
Nic Q
2023-10-16 16:54:44 +0000 UTC
I don't think Kageyama has any ulterior motives for not listening to Hinata. In Hinata's POV, he thinks that the quick is the only thing that makes him valuable in the court, so he wants to improve the only weapon that he has. In Kageyama's POV, the freak quick is already an anomaly or unknown quantity at least in their standards of high school volleyball. Instead of gambling on trying to make the unknown quantity better, Kageyama would rather have Hinata focus on becoming a well rounded player by improving the already known quantities which are Hinata's blocking, serving, receiving. It's not that Kageyama is preventing Hinata from moving forward. Right now nobody really has a clear answer on how to improve the quick but they already know the answers on how to improve every other basic skill in volleyball that Hinata lacks. Basically Hinata wants to sharpen the blade of the spear while Kageyama want's to stabilize the pole to which the blade is attached.
The differences in their POVs maybe comes from their overall volleyball careers up until this point. Kageyama learned and got good at the fundamentals, and has seen other players succeed when those players also got good at the fundamentals. That's probably why he thinks it's more important to focus on becoming a complete and well-rounded player. Hinata on the other hand didn't have proper guidance or training until he started playing in high school. He probably feels that he can't get better at the other skills in time, therefore losing his spot when his only weapon is stopped. But also, he feels that he's already a little bit closer and that there's more potential in getting better at split-second mid-air battles, since he does sometimes see the other side of the net when he's in mid-air.
Kageyama prefers known quantities so he'll know which one to set to, while Hinata wants to explore the unknown.
Which POV is correct? Find out in the next time in Haikyuu.
2023-10-16 16:32:21 +0000 UTC
This is a great episode and I loved hearing yall's thoughts on the matter!! It's such an interesting disagreement between Kageyama & Hinata. From my perspective Kageyama is afraid to take a risk and Hinata sees the risk as necessary to move forward. Look forward to your continued reactions!
Russ
2023-10-16 16:29:02 +0000 UTC
Im super excited for you to see so many moments this season and in the next ones!! But also its so lovely just rewatching this wholesome yet hype-inducing show with you guys! 💕