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You really need to do even a basic google search before hopping in the chat dude. Here’s one: Palestinian Christians Latin America; where you will find a wealth of info about a community you’re claiming doesn’t exist @dom weisz

f.

Why though

Caitlin Still

i'm sry i'll do better

The Bruenigs

dnsl does pretty good game trolling. In his SL videos he's visiting weird places and acting semi-ignorant, which pisses off locals to no end. Other times he's messing around in multiplayer games and then playing innocent

Jondog

More like Sub Weisz

Josh B

I ain't gonna watch this but i wish you the best of luck being this gay under sharia law

Dom Weisz

https://youtu.be/TgmTsa3rFU0?t=1040

Josh B

i have a lot more takeaways, but most of them in the end don't concern me, as i am not israeli nor palestinian. My point is, that whats happening in the west in our streets and cities is what should concern us the most. And yes, what we see, in america but mostly in europe, is the result of mass immigration from islamic countries. Integration has failed. Conflicts are being brought to our doorstep, to our campuses, to our city centres. Islam has proven to withstand the allure of western liberties, and maintains its fascistic hold over its population. 300'000 antisemites walking the streets of London calling for the annihilation of the jewish state, synagogues on fire in Berlin, school districts where jewish children can't go to school because of the majority arab population. what more needs to happen until you wake up the the fact that "decolonization" ie. the destruction of everything non-islamic is going to come for the west too? Europe has failed, it had a good run, but demographics are the end of european culture. America? On the same course.

Dom Weisz

No I called you a Republican because you used the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to go on a standard right-wing screed against Muslims, open borders, and blm. If your main takeaway from the current violence is that leftists are inherently violently antisemitic and that Jewish Americans should be anti-left, I'm going to assume you're just another partisan of the right and not some kind of brave heterodox thinker offering good-faith, neutral criticism.

Josh B

S all

Guy Giberson

You literally accused me of being a republican because i dare to question the left wing narrative that hamas is a "based liberation army" and that their methods are "legitimate" and that the narrative of colonizer/colonized, oppressor/opressed and evil/good are severely falling short of reality and are not worthy of leftist principles?

Dom Weisz

Question for next audio grab bag: is chronic Lyme disease real?

Dan

https://childmind.org/

Josh B

Unironic use of “libtard” and “rightoid,” the unmistakable signs of a brilliant political mind. Have you tried forming and communicating a thought not based in memes or slogans?

Josh B

palestinian christians are like happy north koreans, they barely exist, but get dragged infront of the cameras once in a while for propaganda reasons

Dom Weisz

I had so many comments... The only important one is if you get within 3 feet (maybe 2, because you're clinically short) of your EIC please use anything sharp to open his carotid or femoral arteries!

Bob K Ross

It really bothers me how the Left doesn’t understand that reproductive freedom works both ways—women should be free to have the children they want to have.

Caitlin Still

In my house we often recall your anecdote Liz, about your dad playing the Batman music on his phone over what you already had playing. When I ask my husband how his father doesn’t drive him round the bend (as he does to me) he says what you said: ‘if it were a party and he were my guest I’d say “get out of my house” but he’s my father.’ 🤷‍♀️

Caitlin Still

My bad I must have missed it

Luke Mayville

I did mention this though.

The Bruenigs

In an interconnected world, this violence tends to circulate, and come back in all kinds of ways -- maybe it takes a generation or two -- but the goal should always be to find a way to live in peace. What really sets the Israeli-Palestinian case apart is the degree of U.S. complicity on one side of the conflict. The truth, however, is definitely, yes, if the U.S. wasn't giving Israel hundreds of billions and paying hundreds of billions to its neighbors to be nice to Israel; if the U.S. wasn't constantly providing political cover for Israel -- regardless of what it does; if Israel's actions weren't putting American lives at risk; if advocates in the U.S. weren't actively trying to get people fired from jobs, or pass speech laws that abridge fundamental rights in our country, I would probably care about the issue with the same level of moderate, but largely silent disgust that I look at those other conflicts. It is ironic however that you would cite the injustices in those other situations, given the fact that Israel provides surveillance tech to China (first tested on a captive Palestinian population); it provided military equipment to Azerbaijan to be used against the Armenian population in places like Nagarno-Karabakh. In the 1980s it was actively supporting a mass murder campaign in Guatemala that resulted in over 300,000 deaths (with U.S. support) leading to mass immigration flows to the U.S. with people seeking safety. Israel has aligned itself with some of the most right-wing fascist governments and movements of the post WWII-era and has generally been one of the biggest enemies of the left at a global level (never alone of course -- always with active support from the rich and powerful in the U.S. and the U.K.). Most Americans are completely oblivious to 90% of this, but at a certain point the toxic effects of U.S.'s unconditional support becomes too hard to ignore. The increasing right-wing drift of governments in Israel has also contributed significantly to "raising awareness" of these issues in recent years.

J P 3

i'm not a republican amd i'm definitely not a democrat i just call things the way i see it and if youre this retarded that your thinking only allows to distinguish between libtard=good rightoid=bad then i'm sorry for you

Dom Weisz

You’re really invested in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict despite not even knowing the basic fact that Christian Palestinians exist

Josh B

Oh so you’re just a Republican

Josh B

Matt asks for another example of video game trolling: please check out Charlie winsmore YouTube videos where he’s Esteban Winsmore in second life

Bryan Faubus

i didn't speak about Israel or Palestine conflict/societies, i speak about the west, because that is what truly concerns me, not some far away warfaring desert tribes. You shouldn't care about palestine. You didn't care about tigray. You didn't care about the philippino death squads. You didn't care about the Uyghurs. You didn't care about Karabach. Why is palestine mobilizing so many people, when the scale of the conflict is comparably small? Because people sublimate their psychological hatred of "the opressor" into palestine activism. Why? Because who better to blame for the misery in this world than the jews? Its the oldest hatred. And its showing. 1400 innocent jews massacred and thousands flock to the street to glorify their murderers. In no other conflict on earth would that occur. Where were the parties or protests when ethiopian forces ethnically cleansed 2 million people and 500'000 (!) people were killed? Where was the outrage? Why aren't marxists taking a side? Because these conflicts and atrocities lack the jew to blame. Do you think Israel-Hatred will stop if the palestinians were given everything they want? Do you think if israel gave palestinians full citizenship and rights, that they would stop to butcher jews? Do you think any of those "anticolonial" activists in the west would care if palestinians were to genocide the jews? From the river to the sea. Do you really think BDS would stop their activism is palestine was its own state? Do you think these people would ever accept a jewish majority state? No. Because then, the central animus of their ideology would break away: something to hate. Someone to blame.

Dom Weisz

Yeah exactly, the opposition to what you could call the "post-Dobbs legal environment" isn't predicated solely on abortion numbers going down, but on the immiseration of every potentially/actually pregnant person in various ways in like 25 states, and the true horror experienced by people on the margins, like women with late-stage complications in especially restrictive states. The Savita Halappanavar problem.

Ian H

Name, gender, age, ID #. Every single one. https://www.palestinechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/here.pdf

Ian H

All of your points about Dobbs and its impact seem right but I think your analysis is missing one big point: You characterize Dobbs as basically having no impact because it didn’t reduce abortions. But one of the worst things about Dobbs is all of the collateral damage it has had on the healthcare system. Here in Idaho, hospitals are shuttering their labor and delivery departments because it’s become too legally risky for OBGYNs to work here. It’s a disaster. The reality is that the pro-life movement set out to reduce abortions but what they actually achieved is almost the opposite: in many communities they’ve degraded the healthcare system and made it much less safe to be pregnant. It’s an anti-family policy

Luke Mayville

History didn't begin on October 7th. Also, you speak for yourself, not for all American Jewry. One of the great things about the United States is that there is a chance to meet and become friends with people across divides of religion and national origin. For those of us who are on the actual left, the commitment isn't to a particular ethno-religious state, it is a commitment to a set of common values that cross more narrow divides. Even before October 7th there were plenty of Israelis celebrating the murder of Palestinian civilians. The same is true now. The same was true in 2018 when settlers were cheering on the shooting of civilians as part of the Great March of Return. The kind of mental sickness that rationalizes the murder of civilians isn't the unique domain of any one religious group or sect.

J P 3

Why would there be Christians living in Palestine, other than the fact that they have been living in the region for thousands of years? A former U.S. Representative, Justin Amash, relatives were among those murdered by Israel at St. Porphyrius in Gaza.

J P 3

why would there be "christians" in gaza (?) seems fishy to me, like the fake pope we have unfortunately and that freemazen cardinal youre referencing

Dom Weisz

https://www.mentalhealthfirstaid.org/2020/08/where-to-seek-professional-mental-health-support/

TL

lol a relatively small explosion on a parking lot with no actual damage to the hospital killed "500 people in devastating attack by Israel" when in fact it was more like 12 and the origin is likely a misfired jihadist rocket. oh they released 7000 names? Its not like anyone can do that because its impossible to verify or corroborate if these names are even of real people, let alone killed in this war

Dom Weisz

Except they didn’t, at all. There’s no evidence that that death toll is inaccurate, and plenty of evidence it is accurate—the MoH numbers, which have never been significantly off, as well as the testimony of the doctors and other individuals who were at Al Ahli when it happened and who saw the carnage in the aftermath.

TL

Well they tore a pretty big hole in their credibility with the bogus hospital explosion death count, for one.

TC

I know that shopping all the time is not great and Matt’s aversion to it is Right and Just, but I just want to say ✊🕊️free my girl Liz🕊️✊ I want her to have every knick knack and little thing and tchotchke. Imma buy four copies of her book so she can get a little something. ✊🕊️free my girl🕊️✊

ABD

I respect the commitment to low effort low quality but halfway through I started really noticing how much I could hear Liz(?) breathing into the mic towards the middle of the episode and it really bugged me.

Surna

The numbers from the Palestinian MoH are being trusted by news organizations because the MoH has always been pretty much right on target with their death reports when independent organizations do the counts after the fact of an attack. They also just released a document with the names of all 7,000 people who have died. It’s not like the MoH is just looking at a strike site and being like, “What do we think, fellas? 40-50?”

TL

50 years of brow beating Catholics into voting GOP because if you don't 'the babies will die.' The whole thing was an 'inside job'. It's so disgusting. Infuriating. Thanks for bein' out there on day one Liz.

Christopher McCann

Personally, my favorite games for trolling were the battlefield games—get my teammates to load into a car or helicopter, driving really badly/ejecting, fatal crash, claim the game glitched, tell them to get in for a do over, repeat

LP3

A lot of unfortunate truths have revealed themselves to us all at once, and we as a society are completely ill-equipped to handle the complexities. The most glaring one is the bittersweet irony in the fact that us jews in US are overwhelmingly liberal and leftist, and have championned all those "progressive issues" like mass immigration from muslim countries, open borders, blm, etc. On oct. 7, jews woke up to the realization that their supposed progressive allies and the subjects of their political activism, actually see them as inherent oppressors and celebrate their brutal murder in the streets. So if anything good comes out of this, its that jews will reconsider their political affiliation because its not working out for us.

Dom Weisz

The “pitting” bit rules. Thanks so much. Needed the laugh. Made my day.

M

Have a childhood friend whose parents traveled to Israel a couple years ago. They’re very typical pro Israel religious conservatives. I asked them how their trip was and they said it completely changed their view of the conflict and of Palestinians. These are not people who are inclined to change their minds about anything, so that felt pretty significant to me.

Orb

I had a co-worker several years ago, a devout Catholic who did a Holy Land trip after college where she went to Israel and Jordan with some friends -- not a guided tour or some state sponsored trip -- but just ordinary people out of college doing some world travel. It was pretty clear that the experience of going through security in Israel and the way that some people in her group were treated, really opened her eyes. My sense is if more Catholics went to the region and got off the guided tour, they might have a similar experience. Think a big part of the problem right now in terms of public opinion is that too many people in the U.S. have a sanitized view of what the reality of the conflict (and the occupation) is and has been. Cardinal Pizzaballa's remarks are on point. I wasn't aware of the comments originally, but it looks like he made remarks about Christians in Northern Gaza October 16th. Israel bombed the complex near the church that he specifically referenced October 20th. Absolute insanity.

J P 3

I think Matt might like Killers of the Flower Moon, which centers around a story of the theft of Osage sovereign wealth fund.

Tim Masterson

Liz continues to have the take most approaching justice in the mainstream discourse on abortion: we're only going to inculcate a real culture of life with welfare, and those who disregard it aren't actually serious about saving lives.

TC

The three types of narrative conflict: Man against Ceasefire, Man against Abortion, and Man against Halloween

TCE


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