[Tier 3] SKZ Survival Show Ep. 8
Added 2023-11-06 04:26:56 +0000 UTCWe apologize instead of JYP.
This was sinister.
:'(
Especially cuz we didn't see this particular episode already ending with an elimination.
BUT that means (fingers crossed) the worst is over and there are better days to look forward to for the rest of the series.
SO let's hang in there, and enjoy the ride that we already know the outcome for.
<3 Much love :D
Comments
Funny that the elimination this time was between two of the most popular members of SKZ.
Toasted Toad
2025-06-15 15:13:51 +0000 UTCCry every time. But I think there is also stagecraft mistake that they would no longer make. When Felix fell off, he should not have climbed back on. That just makes the mistake obvious. Just play it through and make it look like that was what you intended all along. Strangely, when JYP was criticising Chan for unstable vocals, they didn’t show the unstable bit (where his voice cracked), so that was very confusing editing.
Toasted Toad
2025-06-15 14:43:57 +0000 UTCThe only thing enjoyable about lk elimination was how the members spent every possible second reminding everyone "hey, we lost a member". I feel this played a huge part in him coming back later. Same with Lix. The audience probably insisted a lot. And in stayville we like to joke how Bang Chan probably took his laptop to jyp, showed like 10y worth of amazing music ready to release and said either we debut all together or I take all this with me
Pushnitsya
2024-04-06 21:17:03 +0000 UTCI'll never shut up about the fact that Changbin trained as a singer for much, much longer than he did as a rapper, and his vocal coach told him he'd be good at rapping, so he took that up and ended up dominating in the field. He's a much better singer than he gets credit for, and even people who KNOW he can sing sometimes forget it because of how talented of a rapper he is.
Michele Wang
2023-12-07 14:21:24 +0000 UTCI've watched this show at least 7 or 8 times in the 4.5 years I've been a stay and for some reason Felix's elimination makes me cry even harder the more I watch it. He's my ult bias in all of kpop and I would be so lost without him!! I'm so glad he was given a second chance.
LoLo
2023-12-05 02:12:22 +0000 UTCI will never not cry. Ever. Both for Lee Know's elimination and for Felix's. ugh... dang it, JYP and MNet. I really, really, REALLY don't like y'all...
Estelle S
2023-11-21 04:05:03 +0000 UTCI kind of hate ya’ll for making me relive this. Like, I know how it ends, but it still makes me cry every time I watch it (Lee Know’s elimination too). Kidding, though. You guys are awesome.
StayForSKZ Forever
2023-11-14 03:08:40 +0000 UTChonestly this entire show just made me resent JYP and JYPE so much. the criticism is so unnecessarily harsh all the time? There's no valid reason for him to have been so harsh on Chan, or on any of the boys, especially when he knows better than anyone else the equipment is sucky. also f** him for this unnecessary elimination. Im firmly on on team changbin - we never forget and never forgive.
anushkakusum
2023-11-09 05:16:23 +0000 UTCThank you for this. Never knew about it. But now i see where the clip they showed of chan came from.
Kwestleo
2023-11-08 20:55:42 +0000 UTCThis analysis is absolutely beautiful and i think spot on. I definitely do not think Jyp thought of the consequences of psychologically torturing these boys. I definitely dont think he knew just how many people would seriously hate/dislike him as a result of his games and tactics on this show either.
Kwestleo
2023-11-08 20:44:33 +0000 UTCFinally getting around to finishing this episode. When I say my internet is crappy, I mean it is C.R.A.P.P.Y. 😫 called to get it fixed hopefully will have that done by this weekend. But this time D'some was me. Whenever i hear jyp talk my initial reaction is shut up 😹🤣😹. I DON'T get the harsh criticism in this episode. They were outside for the first time so of course things are gonna be harder. They were face to face with their fans for the first time of course they would be excitable. I HATE how hard he is on Chan. Like i get he wants the best for him but this man (chan) has already been through the ringer so i feel like he's an asshole for that one. THEN HE ADMITTED HIMSELF that the outside equipment wasnt up to par so it could have been made worse due to that. But this episode was the one. This one KILLED me. Like I love Lee Know so much but Felix is a BABY!. HE'S JUST A BABY! Also seeing Changbin being distraught made it SOO much worse. But like one of you said Han was being Han. The first to go hug and console someone. I didn't have any spoilers going into it like you D'some so it really came out of NOWHERE for me. Wooooo. I am crying again. Wow. Then Channie at the end showing his tears. Just Rip out my heart why don't you?! That would actually hurt less.
Kwestleo
2023-11-08 20:36:25 +0000 UTCthat's such a good analysis! I totally share your view!
Martina~
2023-11-07 21:13:47 +0000 UTComg I also didn't know they performed other songs! Thank youuu!
Martina~
2023-11-07 21:10:35 +0000 UTCoh yes please, watch it when you finish the survival show!
Martina~
2023-11-07 21:06:34 +0000 UTCI'd never seen this before either, thank you!!
Tristana Keauna
2023-11-07 17:32:39 +0000 UTCI've never watched any other sort of 'survival show' so can't really compare, but what always gets me about this show is just how much these kids cared about each other from the start. Their bond is so evident, and music aside, you just know they'd have been rooting for each other and supporting each other regardless of how the show turned out. Chan's "I'll never leave you behind" to Felix always break me. And Felix so uncertain what to do afterwards... here he was, just a kid himself, in a different country and his dreams dashed just... argh. I'm not a violent person, but I'd happily kick JYP's arse for putting so much pressure on them. Not to mention, that busking event was a success!! Perfect, no. But no live concert ever is, and that was their first one in front of fans?!?! Just ugh, he makes me so angry. You said it perfectly when you said "Shut up" lol I've always been curious though, why JYP didn't continue to build groups like this (that I'm aware of), where the leader gets to pick the members themselves etc. I guess there can only be one Bang Chan. He picked well.
Tristana Keauna
2023-11-07 17:18:43 +0000 UTCSeconded
Tracey Okeby Lucan
2023-11-07 07:42:46 +0000 UTCOh so delightful the members expressions when anyone criticises Chan.
Tracey Okeby Lucan
2023-11-07 07:40:03 +0000 UTCI think back to the interviews where Chan speaks about being in a dark place, feeling really alone and keep people away from him. And how Skz rescued him. I always wonder at what one that path is he here…
Tracey Okeby Lucan
2023-11-07 07:38:23 +0000 UTCExactly! They are still grieving LK, the member who joined them last, the guy who is a bit weird and cold. If they already loved him this much, can you even imagine what loosing Sunshine Lix is like?
Tracey Okeby Lucan
2023-11-07 07:36:33 +0000 UTCIt was emotionally very satisfying to hear you say ‘shut up’ when JYP is starting his critique.
Tracey Okeby Lucan
2023-11-07 07:33:01 +0000 UTCI was holding it together through rewatching with you...but Felix gets me every time. He's my bias and just such a sweetheart that it hurts to see him so upset. I am SO glad that he and Lee Know (my bias wrecker) both made it back...they would not have been the same without them.
Kimiko Milheim
2023-11-07 06:30:21 +0000 UTCThis is my first time seeing this episode in full; I'd seen clips from it before, including Felix's elimination, but not the whole thing in context, and I've got to say, the fact that they bring up Minho while performing multiple times feels significant in the context of the elimination. I could be wrong, but this isn't something I've seen in other survival shows, and it feels like the kind of thing JYP might interpret as disrespectful; at the very least, it didn't feel like something he'd vetted, but rather something they'd decided to do themselves, highlighting how sad they were to lose him and his role in their prior performances. Rationally, I imagine that JYP vetted the presentation of the show. He knows we see him and the mystery listeners praising the members, and knows we don't see any of that praise expressed to them; that they only receive sharp criticism. Which might mean he's cool with being seen as the bad guy, but I think that's not quite accurate - rather, I think it means that his performance isn't for the Stray Kids fans, but for his own peers in the industry. He's not trying to sell himself as loveable and fair and benevolent to the masses; he doesn't need to. But he does, I believe, want to come across as powerful and respectable, which means he needs to show himself asserting authority over the group. And that is, I believe, a large part of what he's doing with the eliminations in the first place - yes, they're there to heighten the drama (and thus increase ratings and fan investment) which is to his advantage, but ultimately, I think the biggest impact of them is to remind the members who, exactly, is in charge. Because here you have this group which in all other respects is getting an unprecedented amount of control over themselves: Chan chose the members, and right out the gate, they're allowed to self-produce, neither of which is common in the industry and sure as hell not for JYP. Most significantly: unlike other pre-debut groups formed by the company, whose members are inherently competing with one another for a slot in the final lineup, the members of Stray Kids are never competing *against* each other, but are rather competing *together*. This means the audience is rooting for the group as a unit, which inherently casts JYP, not as an authority selecting the best fit, but as an adversary to be overcome. And that, I think, combined with their being self-produced, means JYP feels the need to flex his muscle; to remind us all that what is happening here is by his grace. And that means eliminations: making them work for the thing they already had, so that they'll feel indebted and grateful when he gives back what he took. However - and I've said this before elsewhere - precisely because there was no precedent for a group choosing its own members, I think JYP badly miscalculated in terms of the psychological damage eliminations would do, particularly to Chan. He wanted to remind everyone that he's the boss; he did not want to break the group before it was even built. Which is where he fucks up, and fucks up bad, by eliminating Felix - not just because the language reason is spurious and very clearly something that will ease with time, but because of how emotionally central to the group he was and is (and again, particularly to Chan). I don't think it had occurred to him before this that you could break a group's heart, because he's not use to the group being pre-bonded against him the way SKZ were. So I'll be fascinated to watch the next two episodes and see how my theory plays out in them, but my gut read is that he's going to see what they are without Felix and be like, "ah fuck, I took something intangible but vital, this isn't what I meant." But either way: still fuck him for what this puts them all through.
sysrae
2023-11-07 04:44:21 +0000 UTCeverytime i watch this i get so angry. this feels emotionally abusive. what is wrong with him????? creating trauma for literal children. and especially chan. he was a trainee there for SEVEN YEARS. went through this for seven years. only to have the weight of the world put on his shoulders, and for him to feel like he deserved that weight.
playacoco
2023-11-07 03:54:46 +0000 UTCI've never seen that! Thank you for posting!
Georgianna
2023-11-07 01:34:16 +0000 UTCYeah, trauma creates bonds and growth, etc. Life sometimes brings trauma. But I will never be okay with someone manufacturing trauma just to create that bond/growth. It's abuse. It's wrong.
Star Dust
2023-11-07 00:13:19 +0000 UTCOMG!!! The glares he gives that man throughout all of this is like a manifestation of how we all felt. The best GO F YOURSELF facial expressions EVER!!
AJ
2023-11-06 23:19:19 +0000 UTCBest thing about this episode is YoungK being Chans best hype man their friendship is so funny especially as YoungK has all the best teenage Chan stories.
Fionnuala
2023-11-06 22:44:59 +0000 UTC3ratcha also did a performance of runners high during the busking mission it just wasn't aired here is a link if you want to see it https://youtu.be/PTOumaUVTZg?si=K9SCefg4YL7AgWMC
Fionnuala
2023-11-06 22:42:35 +0000 UTCSo many things about this episode make me so mad. The fact that JYP criticizes their dancing after he eliminated the member that helped everyone with the choreography makes no sense to me. Really what did he expect? And I know a lot of people say that JYP knew what he was doing, and that this just made them work harder, but this truly could have gone so bad. I cannot imagine what it was like having that amount of pressure at such a young age, and I joined the military at 18. I agree with what you said about this being harder for Bang Chan. Him knowing what it feels like to not debut with people that he trained with and got close to made it so much more personal for him. Felix and Lee Know joke about being eliminated now but Bang Chan wont joke about it. It always breaks my heart when he tells Felix he won't leave him behind.
Jenni Heath
2023-11-06 19:10:34 +0000 UTCFor some reason, the fact that this was the only time Bang Chan spoke English through the entire show stung. JYP really broke them. This is why Changbin will not forgive him.
Georgianna
2023-11-06 17:09:50 +0000 UTCIm very happy how big straykids are but when im back to watching this episode this sh*t made me cry!!
Ron Jackson Jr
2023-11-06 16:26:38 +0000 UTCno one can top skz survival show
Ron Jackson Jr
2023-11-06 16:24:33 +0000 UTCyes this
Ron Jackson Jr
2023-11-06 16:24:09 +0000 UTCits a good emotional thing cuz like we all cried cuz of it
Ron Jackson Jr
2023-11-06 16:23:35 +0000 UTCno matter how many times ive watched this, i will always cry :(((( god and yeah chanlix’s bond really solidified at that moment. they rarely talk abt it bc chan still feels hurt to this day (felix laughs it off…lol….) and it just shows how close they are now… sighs… i need jyp to pay for my therapy bills fr
hessa
2023-11-06 12:46:31 +0000 UTCI've watched this show now several times. It's still hard every time, but I do cry a bit less now. I know it's coming, and I just keep reminding myself over and over that they made it through. It's so hard to watch them cry (especially Changbin for me.. as he said in a 2 Kid's room with Lee Know, when he (Changbin) cries, he bawls. Me too, man... Me too.). I do thank you both so much for uploading the next ep of Kingdom Week. That will definitely help!
Selande
2023-11-06 10:49:57 +0000 UTCI second this !! 🩷
Naj.naaj
2023-11-06 09:29:00 +0000 UTCI'm still crying while typing this, lol. It's sad that Felix went through this, ever since he went to Korea he's always with the members, then suddenly he's separated with them. When he said "I don't know what I'm going to do now" hit so hard. Loosing Felix hits harder to Chan as he can see himself to him somehow, leaving their family from the same country at a young age and following their dreams. Chan's comments never ceases to make me cry even though I've watched this multiple times I even say those lines while he say it while crying 😭😂. I can't imagine the pre-debut stays that went through this, not knowing they'll end up as 9, the depression is real. Anyways, as you said, bitter days are over and better days are coming. Now let me watch your kingdom week reaction to lighten up my mood 😂. Thanks for the heartfelt "Shut up" to JYP 🩷.
Naj.naaj
2023-11-06 09:28:14 +0000 UTCIn think this episode broke so many people... both within SKZ and fans. When I first saw it, it made me quite angry, because he wasn't eliminated because of lack of skill or something that couldn't improve. I'm not saying a language barrier isn't a problem, but it's not something that can be solved within a few weeks by practicing. Learning a language takes years to master. And now we know how much Felix has grown, many of the members have even complimented him on how beautifully he speaks, because he uses his limited vocabulary in very creative ways, that a native speaker wouldn't. I think it was especially tough on Chan. When he said to Felix "I won't leave you behind", that truly broke me.. He and Felix really have such a special brotherly friendship. And I feel like Chan really felt a big level of responsibility for Felix. And we know he played such a vital role in Felix feeling at home in Korea, so for him feeling like he failed him.. egh... Something I also noticed when I first saw this, was how Han is always the one to go and console the others first.. He grabbed Minho's hand when he had to rap out of nowhere, he was there when he got eliminated and again he was the first one to approach Felix. Han is so emotionally mature and has been since pre-debut, and it's a side we don't get to see that often, as he's usually being a silly little quokka, but it is something truly beautiful. I feel terrible for any fans who saw this when it first came out. I was broken even knowing that everything would end up fine... Luckily things do go up from here. Let's all digitally throw eggs at JYP (jk..maybe). I understand the need for eliminations sometimes, especially since I have been watching several of the current survival shows in kpop (A2K, Nizi 2, Dream Academy), but in the SKZ survival show it really felt like JYP was eliminating for views.. to create that controversy, knowing full well he'd debut the team as a whole..
SaarCookie
2023-11-06 07:41:14 +0000 UTCThis episode had me so emotional when I first watched it 😭 seeing hyunjin and Changbin cry for the first time and seeing how destroyed Felix looked 🥲 it hurt
Reyna
2023-11-06 07:30:47 +0000 UTCAhh yes my favorite interaction between minho and JYP “minho step forward”
김수미
2023-11-06 06:52:17 +0000 UTCI literally just kept saying fuck you everytime he spoke during the evaluation
김수미
2023-11-06 06:50:59 +0000 UTCI vote for rotten eggs
김수미
2023-11-06 06:50:21 +0000 UTCThis is the hardest episodes for me to rewatch because as soon as chan said “always find me yeah” I started sobbing like I could no longer see my screen and as soon as he goes “I should’ve been there” blaming himself as he often does it just hurts especially because Chan knows what Felix is going through Chan also left home to be an idol. He also had to learn the language, he watched friends come and go and debut without him. And you just know that he never wanted Felix to go through that same kind of pain because Felix has such a warm heart. Chan has talked about during his time as a trainee when either his friends would leave the company or debut he started to become super numb and that staff always felt sad for him because he just seemed so empty inside and has even mentioned that if it wasn’t for the member he “might not even be here” which really hurts. So knowing all this it just hurts even more when him and Felix interact in the episode. Plus the way Changbin and Felix are literally sobbing because Changbin was such a huge mentor for Felix and he also felt like he was to blame. Also should we start a free D’some petition now seeing as he’s going to jail for stealing Chan’s laptop when he goes to Korea. Anyway all aboard the JYP Hate Train.
김수미
2023-11-06 06:49:49 +0000 UTCI for one am for the idea of stealing Chan's laptop and egging JYP. I'll supply the eggs.
Isabel
2023-11-06 06:17:28 +0000 UTCI WARNED YOU!!! 😂 Emotional rollercoaster!!! It’s the worst… I hope you enjoy the next couple of episodes. This episode has me in tears every time. Stupid show!
AJ
2023-11-06 05:49:37 +0000 UTC40:45 i almost spit out my drink 😭
aicrylic (aimee)
2023-11-06 05:48:12 +0000 UTCSame thoughts. This interview is like a behind scenes of a survival show, explaining how and why Bangchan picks up members and how they work with JYP. It should be watched right after the show.
Kseniya
2023-11-06 05:47:27 +0000 UTCthat "shut up" when JYP spoke was so real 😆 i actually don't know how many times I've seen the survival show and every single time, lixie's elimination gets me. I truly think that they did amazing overall with the busking mission but it was so sad to see JYP not saying amost anything good about it. we're in this trauma together!!! we'll get through it 🥲 thank you for the vid!!!!
Alessandra
2023-11-06 05:40:18 +0000 UTCSHUT UP!! That’s right you tell him. I cried when Lino got eliminated but I was sobbing when Felix got eliminated. This was the hardest episode for me to rewatch. 😭
Nova
2023-11-06 05:19:46 +0000 UTCThere’s only 2 more episodes left so a lot will happen during that time. The kids all went through a lot during this show but it’s always nice to know what heights they’ve been able to reach since then :) i’d recommend watching an interview skz did with jyp a few years ago where they talk about some stuff regarding the group as it’s very informative. Here’s the link: https://youtu.be/_Zv_K-v8uTI?si=KnRI0gygfIcONgp9 it’s also on StrayKSubs website under the name ‘Stray Kids x JYP’
Caz_3
2023-11-06 05:09:49 +0000 UTCThis episode is the worst. It hurts everyone. But it shows stays two things 1. The survival show drags the boys through so much (which I get about it being a TV show). 2. How much skz means to each other and how strong of a group they are.
redvelvetnerd
2023-11-06 04:39:25 +0000 UTC
