Update + Regarding HMVs and art theft
Added 2025-02-23 14:56:21 +0000 UTCHi folks <3
The Kunoichi HMV is coming together, yet a bit slower than usual. I've had a busy month, and the issue with older clips/material has caused some difficulties as I expected. But timeline looks pretty solid so far.
There's also something that has demotivated me for a could of weeks, as a 3D creator whose art I highly appreciate accused me of art theft. We came to terms with the situation and it's fine now, but this issue has bothered me a bit ever since I started the Patreon page. The thing is, even though my HMVs are created using material that is freely available to everyone on sites like Rule34 and this should in my understading fall under fair-use, there is still the moral issue of benefiting monetarily from other people's art. So I kinda see their point. I would like to hear if you have any opinions or insight on this, and should I change things up as a content creator?
Personally for me, HMV videos and compilations from creators like Rondoudou and Rawsource have been one of the best ways to discover amazing 3D artists that I might not have found otherwise, and have even ended up supporting their Patreon afterwards. This is also why I try to credit the artists as accurately as I can, to help people find and maybe support them as well. Still, I'm morally conflicted with this issue and wouldn't want to disrespect any artists. Sorry for the long post - I would just like to hear your take on this.
Comments
You have talent as an editor. Please take all the positive feedback and think of yourself being able to make these creators shine and bring attention to their work by using their work. You are just as much an artist as they are. that said. you have good intentions and have people who appreciate your work. If you are including the artist in the credits then you are doing your part to including them and bringing attention to their work. please keep doing what you are doing.
GunShell
2025-03-06 03:32:22 +0000 UTCI don't really have the full context to form an opinion on this matter but all I can say that this stuff happens and its a good thing you are willing to share this matter with your community. don't beat yourself up over it as I'm certain that it was not in your intention to "steal" someone else's work
Josy F
2025-03-01 16:15:31 +0000 UTCI woulndt find pleasure in watching KISX videos but the editing on lara was amazing
animations900
2025-02-24 23:42:14 +0000 UTCi gotta say a lot of the clips you implement are so much hotter because of the editing and the sync with the beat. For example on KDA the ahri full nelson clip i thought looked amazing watched the full clip and found that the small snipet you made of it on the kda video was way better
animations900
2025-02-24 23:41:43 +0000 UTCSorry to hear about the trouble, but it sounds like it ended in a constructive way so that's good. I agree with everyone else here, I've found so many animators solely through HMVs, and yes, joined their patreons. If anything they're advertising for animators. I also think the HMV scene has evolved a lot in a short amount of time. A few years ago HMVs NEVER credited the animators, now most of them do, and even do the work to provide timestamps. Contrast that with things like image edits where they'll just add a tattoo or something, not credit the artist, and charge for it, and then sometimes the edit gets more popular than the original pic. That's not how it works with HMVs at all. Maybe some kind of argument could be made for the HMVs that are essentially just clip compilations set to music with very light editing, but that's not your style at all. Color grading, cuts, transformations, wipes etc all add up to be the definition of transformative, and again it's all thoroughly credited regardless. Also I don't think I've ever had the chance to compliment your stuff but you're right up there in quality with the editors you mentioned in your post. I stream HMVs a bunch and yours are always a hit. Thanks!
Jake Lloyd
2025-02-24 09:40:12 +0000 UTCI absolutely agree with you here. Without HMVs, I wouldn't have been able to discover many great 3D artists/animators. And you're also doing a lot to credit their work (which most editors don't even bother to do) while not resorting to scummy things like putting your own watermark over the whole video. In terms of "fair use" I think you have done the best job possible so far. The only critique that I have is that not all your videos are accessible in the public folder. I think you still have a couple Patreon exclusives... which kinda goes against the whole "I'm giving them exposure" thing. I personally think that all your videos should have a 1080p version in the public folder. But again, that's the only critique and it's a very minor one.
TomHorst
2025-02-24 04:25:41 +0000 UTCThanks for the great comments -- This gives me some piece of mind. I'd consider the content transformative as well and I always aim to present the content in a new light or add some personal flavor. And just to emphasize, I don't consider them doucey or anything and it's actually really good that this was brought up, because it has worried me ever since starting creating HMVs. We had a respectful discussion on dms and it's all settled. Just eases my mind to read your takes on this issue <3
scy99
2025-02-24 02:01:37 +0000 UTCHad the same issue a few days ago when I was cooking someone else recipes of a mc'n cheese and again someone else's of a Bolognese and mixed both up sprinkled some cheese on it which turned it to a casserole and told a friend it's my own type of casserole.. came to the conclusion that none of it would taste this divine by itself so I really did create something Special by mixing 2 already Special things in an amazing way.. If I would get together both of those chefs and introduce them to the end product which they gave the foundation for, all I can imagine them getting out of their mouth is a word of Faszination
blankxdoll
2025-02-23 22:46:47 +0000 UTCThat said keep up the good work. Let's see some Kunoichi throatfucking and gangbangs.
Eva
2025-02-23 20:19:21 +0000 UTCYour work is transformative. You're not just reposting people's content you're actively creating. You do a far better job then most also posting sources. There's tons of creators who don't. I would not know half the animators I do if It weren't for HMV. If a creator isn't comfortable with it then could always message but it's not like you're using non publicly released stuff. I've personally found animators and subbed to them because of HMVs. I disagree with the perspective that morally there's an issue. If anything you promote more artists and again you literally do video editing to bring together animations into a theme. That's like saying that half the animators who use model rips to make animations should feel bad since they're using models created by a company or artist who didn't intend for the model to be used for porn and they owe them as well creatively and monetarily. But find me the animator who actually feels that way. If anything while I understand someone you respect had an issue with you, it doesn't mean they were right either.
Eva
2025-02-23 20:18:08 +0000 UTCI'm echoing what everyone else has said - as someone who has made a few pmv's myelf, I know it takes a substantial amount of time and I think the way you make your pmv's they would be considered sufficiently "transformational work" that it would be considered fair use. Another factor is the reality of the internet is there are multiple ways to find basically all content. Artists that are trying to make a living by subscriptions without anyone finding their content on other sites are just being unrealistic. I support artists on patreon and substar because I like the artist. Not because it's the only place I can find their stuff. I will also echo what everyone else has said about how pmv's are a great way to discover new content and creators. Especially if the artists are credited, it's a no brainer to me that pmv's are good (especially when they're high quality ones like yours). I get that it would hurt to have one of your favorite artists lash out at you though. In my experience, some of these artists are pretty douchey. This has an impact on who I choose to financially support big time.
RYXP3D
2025-02-23 18:52:45 +0000 UTCI can appreciate the artist's point of view but imho your HMVs are so damn good that they elevate all the included clips. I've definitely discovered some clips/artists through your HMVs that I wouldn't have otherwise. Besides, a lot of clips are only a couple of seconds long and not that special on their own. Putting them in context, combining them with other clips under the umbrella of a common theme and working your editing magic is what makes them fap material in the first place. Please don't get discouraged by this.
Slakz
2025-02-23 17:05:21 +0000 UTCI'm sorry to hear about the feedback you've received. Without going into a detailed rant, I think they are simply wrong on the matter. Your transformative content creates a completely new experience that the original doesn't provide. You also include every artist in the credits. I don't know what more anyone could expect of you. I hope you continue your work and I admire your storytelling talents through your edits.
Seek 💜
2025-02-23 16:00:54 +0000 UTCI think the 3D artist that did this to you is ignorant and selfish. They should have known that this is a symbiotic relationship; the HMV creators give the artists free exposure for creating videos that have their art in them. It's good business for both parties. Plus, this genre is 99% fan art and should be fair use for every content creator. The only party that can accuse someone of art theft is the big studios that own the rights to the materials. You have done nothing wrong; all the videos you created are your creativity and good video editing. Keep your head high, king! Don't let this discourage you from cooking awesome content.
Kain
2025-02-23 15:32:08 +0000 UTCI want to just say that 100% most rule34 artists I've found and followed/supported came from me finding their animations or art in HMVs, because otherwise I wouldn't see them. With your videos, I feel like the morality could seem like egg-shell walking but creators like you and the ones you mentioned put a lot of effort into the video effects and editing, and you all make sure to credit whenever you can obviously (cause like I said, I wouldn't have found their art otherwise), so I don't feel like there's any malice or real theft going on since you're not claiming the art is your own, but I can see from their perspective how it might feel.
GloomyMEW
2025-02-23 15:17:07 +0000 UTC
