FULL DISCUSSION - Star Trek TNG S3E15 - Yesterday's Enterprise
Added 2024-06-12 18:27:39 +0000 UTC
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IMO best episode of TNG.
GeorgeReevesSupermanFan
2024-06-25 23:44:23 +0000 UTCLate to the party I know but none thing I love about this episode is the circular nature of Tasha's relationship with Worf and the Klingons. Her last conversation with Worf before she died was him telling her he knew for a fact she would win some sort of Martial Arts thing because he respected her as a warrior. By travelling back in time with the C she did the same thing for the entire Klingon Race, they respected humanity as warriors after that battle and because of that were willing to become allies.
Flatlander
2024-06-21 14:03:38 +0000 UTCI had the lovely chance to talk with Denise last year, and what I will say without spoilers is that she left the show amicably, with Gene even letting her out of her contract early with no repercussions. I think the regrets are more along the lines of seeing what the show became, vs. how it started. Part of her reason for leaving was the fact that Yar wasn't as heavily used in the first season (at first) and she wasn't interested in a long-term commitment for it. BUT, her relationship with Star Trek has continued, both on-screen (as you've seen) and off-screen. When you guys get to around 1997 or so, you should consider watching Trekkies, a documentary starring Denise that explores, well, us: The fans. There's a sequel that came out in 2004, as well. She teased that there might be a Trekkies 3 at some point, though there's no guarantees. Also, Denise has performed voice over work for Star Trek Online, which while not canon, does allow her to continue participating actively in the community in at least one aspect. Though, I would recommend waiting to look into her STO tenure, as there are spoilers all over the place.
Wyeth Dion
2024-06-18 22:15:36 +0000 UTCJosh and Alex. Please take a moment and respect how hard it is for Target Audience not to spoil these stories for you. And there is much more to come. Enjoy the ride.
James Baloun
2024-06-16 23:06:51 +0000 UTCA lot of the best episodes of the Trek franchise are similar... "City On The Edge Of Forever", "Yesteryear", "The Visitor" DS9, A certain ep of TNG from the 5th season that shall remain unnamed, plus a couple of the better Voyager episodes.
Stevtrek
2024-06-16 22:39:24 +0000 UTCThis is what makes horse races I guess, and perhaps helps explain why I think Yesterday is the best so far and why I'm not enamored with the next episode.
Ken R
2024-06-15 17:54:44 +0000 UTC@Derek Orr Exactly.
Jovet
2024-06-15 17:26:06 +0000 UTC@Ken R That music is always played during the hokey-est scenes in TOS. Where the 23rd century, suddenly once again, regresses to the 13th. "Energy, excitement, danger, and a pulse" to you is boring, eye-rolling, lazy-writing, neanderthal timeout to me.
Jovet
2024-06-15 17:24:15 +0000 UTC@Philbot How would Troi sense "something was off?" Only Guinan had any sense of the alternate reality, and she didn't mind or notice the alternate reality she was in until the C popped out in front of them.
Jovet
2024-06-15 17:09:56 +0000 UTCI prefer cerebral star trek like the motion picture. Its more intelligent and less action movie silly
Derek Orr
2024-06-15 14:41:37 +0000 UTCI think here you could argue the suggestion is, if you dig maybe deeper than intended, is that the "current" peaceful hopeful state of the Federation, the galaxy, etc, has happened through the sacrifice of others.
Joe Concepts
2024-06-15 14:28:54 +0000 UTCI love the ending ... For the regular timeline people, nothing happened. The dramatic ending you described sounds kind of cheesy. Nothing happened, so nothing happened. We are told several times that if the Enterprise C is successful everyone will go back to where they were right before the timeshift and that's what we were shown.
AmmaLeslie
2024-06-15 08:37:12 +0000 UTC1. Pew pew war/battles ARE Star Trek, or part of it at least. Those appear on Star Trek, aren't they? It's not a different TV show that is forcefully imposed on random times. Even if it's not your cup of tea, which is ok, it doesn't mean others can't like it or that anyone gets to decide that it's "not Star Trek". 2. I personally don't think that the main reason most people like this episode is because of the pew pew stuff, I know that's not the reason why I do. There's a lot more going on in this episode other than battle scenes or the fact that it's darker. Just as an example for one thing I didn't see the guys screaming "omg it's so dark and the phasers are so cool" but I did see them scream when they saw Tasha.
Oz
2024-06-15 03:14:47 +0000 UTC... I love you gents. *chef's kiss* opening. Way to Go Jolex & Ash.
A G
2024-06-14 22:15:03 +0000 UTCMany of those are not fan favourites…and my point stands about the dark and pew pew , leaning to star wars at times and then dark dystopian etc because thats where things really began to move to after this episode. My “grumbling” is my valid legitimate opinion…thank you for sharing yours…I shall not refer to yours negatively
Derek Orr
2024-06-14 20:23:15 +0000 UTCCity on the Edge of Forever, Amok Time, Star Trek IV, Measure of A Man, the Inner Light. All beloved episodes that have nothing to do with war or any of the topics you mentioned. Even most of the beloved episodes of DS9 are the ones that sidetrack away from the war arc. So maybe the common denominator of fan favorite episodes is something else, like good writing? Stop grumbling about what is and isn't Trek. It's all Trek, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
kevin coleman
2024-06-14 19:57:41 +0000 UTCThis music is not decaf, nor is the scene that accompanies it. https://youtu.be/Ml4wAnvfM4M?si=MDS_oiwW6E7GxpDx If there is a TNG scene with that much energy or even music that in your face, I'm not familiar with it.
Ken R
2024-06-14 17:00:16 +0000 UTCone that has energy, excitement, action danger, and a pulse, with stories where the cast has skin in the game and isnt just polite little theoretical problems like Amish Vulcans being unable to hurt us but lets pretend they can for 40 minutes, lets adopt child pen pals and do an episode where they are sad, or this next upcoming one where we are subjected to dialogue like "father, I can't make friends" Some of these plots on TNG are straight out of Eight Is Enough.
Ken R
2024-06-14 16:27:08 +0000 UTCSo what is caffeinated trek then?
Derek Orr
2024-06-14 16:11:56 +0000 UTCI prefer the TNG bright lighting...it's more realistic for a futuristic work place. Can't stand the new trend of shoot everything in dark shadows and call it "cinematic"....silly overused term that means nothing anymore
Derek Orr
2024-06-14 15:31:04 +0000 UTCAn exciting episode for sure....but its popularity has always bugged me....just like Wrath of Khan and one of the TNG movies...and lots of DS9.....the fans keep expressing that their favourite and most popular episodes/movies...are the pew pew war/battle ones or darker themes, war time, grim future etc....thats all ultimately NOT star trek....neat side track thing to see though
Derek Orr
2024-06-14 15:29:28 +0000 UTCAs far as what you call reaction "pops" this episode is certainly near-peak for TNG. That said, shock reaction isn't what makes great television, and that's where we're headed going forward - GREAT television. Not just great Star Trek, but there will be moments that transcend genre with deep levels of emotion and peak acting. It's a real shame that sci-fi was ignored back in the day and only received "technical" awards (A LOT of them, frankly) and were not even NOMINATED for a "serious" Emmy award until the final season as something of a farewell to the series. Watching the episodes with heart and emotion with you, maybe seeing some tears along the way - THAT'S what I'm in for. The next reaction you'll upload (and several more in this season alone!) is EXACTLY the sort of episode I'm here to watch with you. Great as always gentlemen, thank you.
Matt Newmark
2024-06-14 01:08:26 +0000 UTCParamount+Crap
Jovet
2024-06-14 00:21:56 +0000 UTCAnd it really gave her a noble ending!
Jovet
2024-06-14 00:21:04 +0000 UTCYep, exactly.
Jovet
2024-06-14 00:20:23 +0000 UTCI simply don't remember seeing the teasers while I was watching this show. I think I watched up to Season 4 with like videotapes right off the airwaves, but to my knowledge I usually switched right off the credits as soon as they rolled, not sure where I would have seen the teaser.
Angelaina Marie
2024-06-13 21:27:36 +0000 UTC"Never meet your heroes"
JGoss
2024-06-13 21:15:26 +0000 UTCOthers may have already noted this, but the plan originally WAS to have more crew deaths on the Enterprise-D, just as you two envisioned. It was scaled back to just Riker due to time and budget constraints. Time constraints are also responsible for the shifting effect happening when we change to the alternate timeline but not when we change back. That effect wasn't in the script, and originally it was done with a simple cut, just like at the end. The cut was felt not to be effective, so the effect was added late in post-production, but there wasn't time to add a similar effect at the end.
Steven Linden
2024-06-13 20:01:02 +0000 UTCOn the subject of “atmospheric lighting”- the standard “bright flood lighting” of the bridge was because of time and budget. The basic lighting is much quicker to block, so the shooting day isn’t slowed down. If it’s more atmospheric, then the actors need to be very specific with how they hit their marks or they step awkwardly in and out of shadows. I’m nostalgic but I kinda like the basic standard lighting- has the enterprise feeling homely, like an airplane in space. NOT A SPOILER: you’ll get more moody lighting in the TNG movies.
Stuart Arbury
2024-06-13 19:54:43 +0000 UTCIn the early 80s, it was upgraded to basically what the holodeck is on TNG.
Darin Wagner
2024-06-13 19:39:18 +0000 UTCPhilbot, that's a good point. I had not thought of that before.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-13 19:13:10 +0000 UTCPhilbot, I think you mean Hide and Q for the penalty box, and it to me it was only a fair episode.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-13 19:12:03 +0000 UTCBehr was the glue that held together season 3, and the real star of DS9's greatness. He's up there in my book as one of the all-time greats of Trek alongside Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer, Nimoy, Piller, Moore.
JGoss
2024-06-13 18:59:17 +0000 UTCSonic wallpaper, as Berman wanted....
JGoss
2024-06-13 18:52:10 +0000 UTCCaptain Garrett was named after a pizza place in San Jose, The Garret, which I used to eat lunch at frequently.
JGoss
2024-06-13 18:51:09 +0000 UTCYes, Trent Ganino and Eric Stillwell (who was a PA and script coordinator on the show). Trent submitted a spec script of the crew encountering the Enterprise-C captained by Richard Garrett with no timeline change. Stillwell had an idea of Sarek going back in time and becoming Surak. He talked to Crosby about it, who suggested working in Yar instead. Stillwell saw the spec script and suggested to Piller to work in the Sarek idea. He rejected it. Then he suggested the Yar idea, which Piller liked, and then Ganino and Stillwell submitted a combined spec script, and the rest is history.
JGoss
2024-06-13 18:48:20 +0000 UTCParamount is still crap.
Miah1138
2024-06-13 18:45:53 +0000 UTCParamount's advertising dept was awful back then. They gave away the destruction of the Enterprise in Star Trek III in the first trailer, after months of Harve Bennett and Leonard Nimoy struggling to keep it under wraps.
tyranusfan
2024-06-13 18:37:58 +0000 UTCWasn't it also based off two seperate fan submitted pitches they rolled into one?
Nolan
2024-06-13 18:30:02 +0000 UTCFor me, too much of those shows feel like they suffer from "and then... and then... and then..." plotting. So much of my watching of those before I just gave up was like, "no, go back, that was an interesting idea to explore, oh, I see, you were just getting the pieces in position for a lame dramatic reveal I saw coming a mile off, okay." I ultimately just found it all very frusterating. The fact it was also so damn dark on set, grim, atonal with action scenes existing in a vaccum from the dialogue and everyone being a quip-lord just added more fuel to the fire for me. Just too much of what I think is bad TV for me.
Nolan
2024-06-13 18:28:45 +0000 UTCIt's perhaps a top 5 episode for Sci-fi TV (or was at the time and maybe for the decade that followed) but perhaps not for TNG.
Nolan
2024-06-13 18:20:11 +0000 UTCWas the danger room originally that Holodecky back in the day? I thought originally it just had pendulums and other training gear then it got more holograms. I thought they kind of stole from Trek as it went along? and Days of future past was really nothing like yesterday‘s enterprise they just sent Kitty’s mind back in time into her younger teenage self.
Philbot
2024-06-13 18:16:51 +0000 UTCIn fact, that effect looks exactly like the time hole from Time Squared.
Nolan
2024-06-13 18:15:33 +0000 UTCI think they are destined to fight just because Klingons are A-holes it’s inevitable..
Philbot
2024-06-13 18:13:30 +0000 UTCThat scenes is the exact same scene almost word for word in ⛔️spoiler⛔️ just before the ⛔️spoiler⛔️ ⛔️spoilers.⛔️ 😂
Philbot
2024-06-13 18:11:25 +0000 UTCDidn’t Gene describe it as the Ramada inn?
Philbot
2024-06-13 18:09:28 +0000 UTC😭
Philbot
2024-06-13 18:04:29 +0000 UTCIt was so Kevin Bacon haired.. 😂
Philbot
2024-06-13 18:03:35 +0000 UTCI like new Trek.. for the most part. Sometimes the writers are baffling stupid. Picard season 2 seemed like they had a good concept but didn’t know what to do with it. ⛔️spoilers ⛔️ I’ll say no more I’ve been spoiler Huntered in here before.. 😝
Philbot
2024-06-13 18:01:43 +0000 UTCBut remember first season it always seemed like Geordie had a thing for Tasha? At least in Naked now and Hide and Q..💁♂️So we kinda touched on both boy toys. 😂
Philbot
2024-06-13 17:57:08 +0000 UTC“Worse with women Geordie” replaced our beloved Engineer. Guinan didn’t notice the variant..
Philbot
2024-06-13 17:55:09 +0000 UTCNaked Now she had a minor arc, penalty box.
Philbot
2024-06-13 17:53:01 +0000 UTCI thought having Troi there would have stolen some of Guinane thunder. Troi sensing something was off may have been plan B if Whoopi wasn’t available..
Philbot
2024-06-13 17:49:51 +0000 UTCI think one of the few things to take this out of the running for best episode is that it's a very atypical episode of TNG. It's not like a standard regular-time episode, and has much less meaning if you don't know the series that well.
Joe Concepts
2024-06-13 15:52:59 +0000 UTCI don't think one discussion video has gone by without some comment from the guys that makes me think, "Oh, I could say something here, but I can't!"
Joe Concepts
2024-06-13 15:41:47 +0000 UTCLMAO!! I just made it to the end. Your best skit/hook yet, guys. I literally LOLed when the music cues came up! Well done!
StonyD
2024-06-13 15:25:12 +0000 UTCGreat reaction, glad you guys liked it :D this ep is so great. it doesn't let up, there isn't a single wasted line
llama
2024-06-13 11:32:40 +0000 UTCIt's kind of funny how Denise left the show but at the same time is the focus of one of THE top 10 best episodes of TNG, an episode that some even call THE best one.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-13 08:29:00 +0000 UTCIn the months leading up to this episode, various Sci-fi mags were reporting that the TNG producers were actively seeking script ideas to get Denise Crosby back on the show. So I knew it was happening, but just didn't know what episode... until I got my TV Guide for that week - it listed Denise Crosby as a guest star.
Stevtrek
2024-06-13 06:22:44 +0000 UTCThe reason they cut back to that shot of Picard revealing Worf, is because it is the same instant when the ship first appeared and altered the time stream, now completely undone. So that "scene" plays out as if none of that happened. But agreed they might have done some kind of effect, but would have had to have scripted some continuity there to get back to that instant.
Stevtrek
2024-06-13 06:08:51 +0000 UTCYeah the writers who survived season 2 were not happy campers in season 3. And a good portion of that was how Piller ran the writers room.
Mark Wood
2024-06-13 04:19:25 +0000 UTCI was one of those that really didn't miss Tasha Yar's character after she left the show. This is not a nod against the actor. But the dialogue and characterization of the characters dramatically improves (even in episodes where the plot is weak, or even when stories don't work, you see so much better character work). Because of that her character wasn't developed enough and allowed her to show range, enough for me to care. The one thing I did miss is the fact that for its time, it left TNG with two female characters that is geared more to caregiving (physical or mental). That is the only thing that I was upset about. And on a practical side, once Yar left, it really allowed Worf to get a sizable increase in screen time, and you have already seen some of the fleshing out of his character and the race of the Klingons as a whole. And that dramatically increases.
Mark Wood
2024-06-13 04:17:22 +0000 UTCIra was around for all of Season 3 I believe as part of the staff, he was basically the peacemaker for a still fractious crew. It was unrewarding and so he had to leave at the end of S3 but Berman still remembered his talents
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-13 03:59:29 +0000 UTCIt is decaf Trek and I feel it is possible to articulate why this is the best: it has caf for starters. It has characterization within a story, we don't need huge speeches and tears to flesh that Capt out, her response to the events around her go a long way to telling us who she is, same with Tasha. That's a lot better writing than episodes where we know Worf is noble because he tells us ad nauseum without ever acting any more noble than anyone else other than "I light candles, isn't that noble?". Then add in this episode had actual stakes, danger, dramatic lighting and direction, music, and you get the best episode in my opinion. Next for me in The Bonding but that is totally different.
Ken R
2024-06-13 03:16:57 +0000 UTCI think this might be where Ira Behr joins the team. They got an exemption from the WGA to have this many writers in the credits.
Jeffrey P
2024-06-13 03:08:11 +0000 UTCAlso, Riker never gets stationed to Betazed and Troi doesn't chase him into Starfleet.
Jeffrey P
2024-06-13 03:05:53 +0000 UTCas far as Troi's absence/ prescence goes.... She might have been on the ship providing counseling, but the brdge's responsibilities centered around the military operations of a warship, versus things like diplomacy and such.
Nathan Cline
2024-06-13 03:05:47 +0000 UTCto me it was the impression of the enterorise just the moment before it was destroyed and the cut
paultardspambot .
2024-06-13 02:50:18 +0000 UTCi think most people loved the ending and Picard's last line
paultardspambot .
2024-06-13 02:48:23 +0000 UTCMight have been mentioned, but the original plan was to have Data electroucted, Wesley beheaded, along with the riker death, but they felt that was excessive and we only needed to see riker die to hit the right beat
paultardspambot .
2024-06-13 02:46:30 +0000 UTCI just appreciate that this episode gave us a definite answer to the nerdy debate of who would win between the Klingon Empire and the Federation. The Klingons would win. Lol.
Artribution
2024-06-13 02:36:30 +0000 UTCAhh. Must've missed it
That one green Bolian
2024-06-13 02:19:20 +0000 UTCIt is worth pointing out that TNG did "swipe" a LOT from the Uncanny X-Men comics. The "Days Of Future Past" story was published in the early 80s. TNG also had a "Danger Room" in the Holodeck, for example. Worf was basically Wolverine, etc.
Darin Wagner
2024-06-13 02:15:23 +0000 UTCI thought they did, at least in a scene between Yar and Castillo.
James H
2024-06-13 02:15:05 +0000 UTCOooooo Lwaxana's Poolboy striking his g-string pose today!
Jovet
2024-06-13 01:48:09 +0000 UTCA perfect line, but, it would be even better coming from Yar to Captain Picard.
Mark Chrisco
2024-06-13 01:19:39 +0000 UTCDefinitely worth the wait for the reaction of seeing Tasha. And is this our first coolant leak on the enterprise lol
AJC
2024-06-13 01:14:55 +0000 UTCWait… where’s the concern for Chief O’Brien?
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-06-13 01:14:47 +0000 UTCOr the producers refused to put Troi back in a standard-duty uniform. They knew audiences would want more!
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-06-13 01:12:15 +0000 UTCI was thinking a simple handshake and “it’s been an honor serving with you lieutenant” would have been nice at the end of the scene with Tasha and Picard.
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-06-13 00:54:40 +0000 UTCYou will DEFINITELY get 4 and what a four!
Stephen Wright
2024-06-13 00:39:19 +0000 UTC25:25 Yeah, you're over-thinking that.
Jovet
2024-06-13 00:38:22 +0000 UTCRe: the “atmosphere”, I would describe TOS as having a “lived in” feel to it, while TNG feels more like a hospital.
Pokeysaurus
2024-06-13 00:29:31 +0000 UTC15:40 Captain Garrett was fantastic. She wasn't no limp-wristed Starfleet captain!
Jovet
2024-06-13 00:28:48 +0000 UTCWell quality over quantity. If they mass produced "data" he might not be to the same quality.
Steven Johnson
2024-06-13 00:28:47 +0000 UTCWell said. Absolutely.
Steven Johnson
2024-06-13 00:26:36 +0000 UTCThey had close to a personal moment, in the turbolift. I'm guessing that "Encounter at Farpoint" and "The Naked Now" both didn't happen in the alternate reality, so Data and Yar didn't have any special connection.
Jovet
2024-06-13 00:26:24 +0000 UTCExactly.
Jovet
2024-06-13 00:23:23 +0000 UTC4:18 "The Picard" was a different episode than that. 😉😂
Jovet
2024-06-13 00:17:25 +0000 UTCThe point about having to trust your memory about the past since we can't directly observe it anymore reminds me of Last Thursdayism - the idea that the entire universe, as it is, was created only last Thursday.
Cameron Thacker
2024-06-12 23:44:58 +0000 UTCDammit, missed Patron Takes. I could have said (at episode time 1:58 when Data says "nothing I have seen before") "Things That Never Happen In Star Trek #1: The Enterprise runs into a mysterious energy field of a type it has encountered several times before"
Ee'char
2024-06-12 22:55:56 +0000 UTCIt's a very good episode but I'd have to think long and hard before putting it in my personal top 5.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-12 22:41:34 +0000 UTCYep, I am aware of the GNDN conduits. Great BTS detail.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-12 22:39:33 +0000 UTCYou guys hit it perfectly. There's a bunch of "best" episodes, all for different reasons. Probably 5 episodes in the top slot, and 20 in the top 5 slots. It's a warp bubble phenomenon that you can do that.
Paul Hess
2024-06-12 22:21:20 +0000 UTCThe Defector will get some more competition until then ;)
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-12 22:17:36 +0000 UTCBehind the scenes reasoning on Yar as I understand it. Denise Crosby left in season 1 at her own request as she felt her character was becoming a background character with not enough development She was worried about what this may do to her career chances if she remained in that role long term, therefore requested to be released from contract. According to Denise Crosby, Gene Roddenberry was very supportive of this, and wished her luck pursuing other roles. He felt that the best send of he could give her was a dramatic, possibly heroic death, and Skin of Evil was written with that intent. Unfortunately, shortly before this point, Roddenberry had lost creative control of the series to paramount, whose legal team secretly re-wrote Skin of Evil to remove any dramatic effect or sentimentality behind Yar's death as best they could, in the hopes that it would avoid any chance of her returning as a permanent cast member at a later date, on a potentially very costly contract. (Effectively, they wanted TNG fans not to really care or have any desire for her return). I think this all lead to the rest of the cast and crew feeling pretty bad for her, and her appearance in Yesterday's Enterprise was a way to make up for that. To give her the meaningful send of she was denied in Skin of Evil. Also, pretty sure Guinan's comments about it being an Empty death were intended as a dig at those who re-wrote Skin of Evil.
FPG
2024-06-12 22:07:52 +0000 UTCIn this timeline Troi is an interrogator working for starfleet intelligence. She has an eye patch and a collection of mind probes and drugs
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-12 22:01:52 +0000 UTCReminds me of Mr. Nobody cares about fuckin Star Trek from your match
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-12 21:59:38 +0000 UTCApparently no one thought the episode was going to be good until it was put together and edited. Rick Berman has said if he knew what they had, he would have saved the story for the first TNG movie. The only thing missing was a personal moment between Tasha and Data.
Mark Chrisco
2024-06-12 21:54:14 +0000 UTCIn 2008 "The Making of Yesterday's Enterprise" was published with 188 pages, that's probably the most accurate and detailed information about happenings behind the scenes. https://www.amazon.com/Making-Yesterdays-Enterprise-Eric-Stillwell/dp/1435702565
James Knight
2024-06-12 21:38:43 +0000 UTCSurprised you guys didn't mention the score. It's one of the best of the series.
That one green Bolian
2024-06-12 21:21:14 +0000 UTCA Klingons bowels do not run. They stand and fight
SinocTheHodgeheg
2024-06-12 21:16:34 +0000 UTCIts is such a good reminder of how a great actor can make you like a character like Whoopi does. However both her and Wheaton are also the perfect example of what happens when you decide they must be like those characters in real life, and try and talk to them on twitter. And you will find they are most assuredly not those characters and most certainly nobody you'd want to know in real life.
Alan Thompson
2024-06-12 21:10:05 +0000 UTCIt's like listening to someone nitpicking the hairstyle of Michelangelo's David.
Joe Green
2024-06-12 21:04:14 +0000 UTCOr she married that guy with the awful jumpers as the Enterprise at war would never have hosted a wedding.
Paul Rymer
2024-06-12 20:53:47 +0000 UTCThe cinematography was excellent in this episode. Deserves an Emmy for sure. Oh, not Yesterday's Enterprise I mean this edit by Josh and Alex.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-12 20:53:40 +0000 UTCBut ... it's not Thursday!
Sam Langanke
2024-06-12 20:46:49 +0000 UTCSomething that struck me when this aired - the beautiful opening and closing scenes are pairs of African American actors
C
2024-06-12 20:40:31 +0000 UTCWe will find out in roughly 6 weeks
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-12 20:25:03 +0000 UTCAnd they're still going back to him.
Rhett Coates
2024-06-12 20:16:33 +0000 UTCSteve, your hilarious comment "I didn't do nuthin" brings back memories of when I read how the TOS set crews included a HILARIOUS detail that wasn't known for a long time - the letters seen on various pipes that ran throughout Kirk's USS Enterprise, with all manner of meanings for purposes relating to the functions of the vessel's interior. Specifically, some showed four letters: GNDN. Those were revealed by the Desilu production's stage crews with a "wink, wink" to us fans, years after TOS was in production, to mean "Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing."
Rhett Coates
2024-06-12 20:13:05 +0000 UTCYeah, they needed him there for the 'we're back to normal' shot on the bridge.
Matthew Riley
2024-06-12 20:03:26 +0000 UTCA true Klingon warrior would win any battle with their bowels.
Matthew Riley
2024-06-12 20:02:45 +0000 UTCI'd say if every ship had a Data the Federation wouldn't be losing the war. Lol
Greg Quinn
2024-06-12 19:55:43 +0000 UTCUnfortunately leaving didn't really work out the way she hoped either. She had a few mostly minor movie roles that dried up pretty quickly...🙁
Greg Quinn
2024-06-12 19:54:55 +0000 UTCTrue...although with a big temporal anomaly opening up I'd also think Geordi would have been called to engineering?
Greg Quinn
2024-06-12 19:52:48 +0000 UTC"No, we're not watching that shit." 😎
Juan Tutrífor
2024-06-12 19:51:55 +0000 UTCon the teasers, whenever they spent money on a new special effect they absolutely used it in the teaser.
David Marcoot
2024-06-12 19:44:10 +0000 UTCMany people think that this is the best episode of the series, or in the top five. But there are lots that are just as or at least almost as good.
Turtleboy
2024-06-12 19:42:55 +0000 UTCI didn't do nuthin.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-12 19:41:53 +0000 UTCOnly one question: Better than The Defector?
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-12 19:36:52 +0000 UTCAlso, opinions vary on NuTrek. I am (mostly) a fan of it. The more dramatic lighting does not always automatically equate to a more grim tone.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-12 19:31:13 +0000 UTC11:15 that harsh eyelight you guys are equating with TOS was a lot more common in the 60's and before. You can see it in lots of old movies and TV shows where characters are otherwise standing in shadow.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-12 19:29:47 +0000 UTCYeah I always wonder that with this episode. Dennis McCarthy did a fine job, but for me it’s a good score if I can hum a melody. So much of this score is wall paper, and the battle is very “dum-dum-dum-d-d-d-dum-dum-dum”. Boring.
Column Meanie
2024-06-12 19:28:41 +0000 UTCThe ending was nothing because from the crew's perspective nothing happened.
Aaron Holden
2024-06-12 19:25:59 +0000 UTCThat hurts my soul.... But in all honesty, Dennis McCarthy nailed it. The ominous chimes at the start, the booming TOS theme to end the teaser, great stuff.
JGoss
2024-06-12 19:24:29 +0000 UTCThe schedules for Denise and Whoopi required them to bump up production, and the script was nowhere near done. Basically the whole writing staff tag-teamed the script over Thanksgiving holiday to get it ready, which is why the writing credits are huge. Then there were some WGA disputes, which is why you see the clunky "From a Story By" credit. It's a miracle this episode came together not just well, but FANTASTICALLY.
JGoss
2024-06-12 19:23:19 +0000 UTCSame
Collin Freeman
2024-06-12 19:21:50 +0000 UTCGreat reaction and discussion! So glad this one lived up to the hype. This is when Season 3 really starts rocking. IMHO, only one "meh" and a couple 'just okay' episodes left this season, with a bunch of bangers floating around to delight! :D
Lovok
2024-06-12 19:21:07 +0000 UTCI am one of the people who feel that way. It would have been a minor change to either skip forward until he was off duty again, or back up even further so that he was not summoned to the bridge in the first place in the restored timeline. The logistical hiccup is minor there, but the significance of him being on this ship at all because of what Tasha did is major. Should have been Worf.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-12 19:19:47 +0000 UTCOr the prune juice kicked in.
Juan Tutrífor
2024-06-12 19:18:51 +0000 UTCRegarding the ending, I actually expected you guys to like the more subtle way it ended instead of giving us some more.
Doug
2024-06-12 19:18:34 +0000 UTCI've seen on YT and other sites where people were saying it should have been Worf again in Ten Forward with Guinan at the end. Um, he was kind of on duty at the time on the bridge.
KatWithAttitude
2024-06-12 19:11:41 +0000 UTCYeah. That one other dude.
KatWithAttitude
2024-06-12 19:09:25 +0000 UTCYou can't really blame her for wanting out. She had the episode fighting on the monkey bars, and then I can't think of what came after where she did more than just stand around.
Ken R
2024-06-12 19:07:28 +0000 UTCI disagree with how you guys felt on the ending. I liked how nonchalant the switch back was. For our crew, nothing changed and no big deal was made of it. The only person to address the other timeline in any degree was Guinan with Geordi. All those events that occurred were just a blip on the sensors. Other than that, I'm very happy you guys enjoyed this one. I'd have to leave if you didn't at least enjoy this one ;)
Ca$hWednesday
2024-06-12 19:07:06 +0000 UTCLol
Chris S.
2024-06-12 19:05:25 +0000 UTCI think I posted this elsewhere, but can you imagine if Ron Jones scored this episode?
Chris S.
2024-06-12 19:04:53 +0000 UTCI think Denise Crosby had a good time coming back in this episode. She said back then that if more of the episodes in season 1 had been like this one, she would not have left.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-12 19:03:53 +0000 UTCYou know, given how different their mission probably was up to this point, how do we know that data is actually our Data and not one of the many mass assembled by Starfleet that serve on every ship in this timeline? Eh? Eh? There are a lot of thought processes you can run on this episode with details like that. RE: The Alternate Enterprise D. The door swish sound was replaced with something much closer to the TOS door swish. The TNG doors usually just go *hiss*, but the Alt D doors literally go *SWISH* with that little squeak. Just like the TOS doors. Just one more thing to make it clear, this world is different.
Steven Johnson
2024-06-12 19:01:26 +0000 UTCI just like the idea that the Klingons bombed Betazed and killed all of them.
Steven Johnson
2024-06-12 18:59:16 +0000 UTCSteve? Fuck that guy.
Steven Johnson
2024-06-12 18:58:14 +0000 UTCExcept in a war a therapist would probably be more necessary, lots of PTSD to treat. But I think it would have been nice to switch some characters around, giving them different jobs with the timeline changed, I would have excluded Riker from the episode, implying he was commanding his own ship with Data as first officer and Deanna at OPS having chosen a different career path because of the war.
Phillip Grischa
2024-06-12 18:58:08 +0000 UTCReal version: If you want to pick an episode where TNG really becomes itself, I think it was Measure of a Man. If we're saying episode 1x01 isn't where it "started," then I say Measure of a Man was. But it does get more and more consistently great as it goes on from there.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-12 18:57:13 +0000 UTCThe go-to directors for most of TNG were Cliff Bole, Les Landau, Winrich Kolbe, Rob Bowman, and maybe 1 other dude.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-12 18:55:37 +0000 UTCAlex explained Troi's absence perfectly: no need for counsellors when you're in a war, fighting for your life. No one has time for therapy.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-12 18:48:58 +0000 UTCDon't worry, guys. The next episode is where the show really starts.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-12 18:44:03 +0000 UTCNice, guys. Love the intro.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-12 18:42:32 +0000 UTCOne thing you can see from these old promos, the remasters really bring out the gorgeous color that we never knew was there for 25 years
JGoss
2024-06-12 18:38:18 +0000 UTCBadass
JGoss
2024-06-12 18:36:45 +0000 UTCLet’s give Steve a hand for both of these excellent backgrounds 😮💨 👏🏻👏🏻 “Boo! You suck Steve!” Hey who said that? Someone get that guy out of here!
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-12 18:34:02 +0000 UTC
