Steins;Gate 0 Season 1 Episode 21-23 Full Reaction FINALE!
Added 2025-01-30 12:00:04 +0000 UTC
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Thanks for watching along with us maky! We're not totally sure what we'll do for the movie and OVAs, but if we find that we have some time to spare after this busy period, we will definitely consider watching at least some!
The Game Club
2025-02-03 05:02:51 +0000 UTCgreat reaction! always nice to see SG0 all the way to the end :) Since you mentioned the movie, will you consider checking the two OVAs? (one for each season). I understand the schedule and all, and I'm writing this late (sorry!), but thought I'd mention it.
maky
2025-01-31 10:22:47 +0000 UTCIt is a bit like the Stines;Gate timeline is the collective effort of all Okabe's that couldn't achieve it, to lead one Okabe to this desired worldline.
Sven Kilian Haase
2025-01-30 19:22:41 +0000 UTCThe impression I do get from SG;0 is that it does feel a little looser with its rules. It feels like it tries to create 'rules' and boxes itself in. I get the impression that maybe they try and stitch together errant threads from the VN without explaining, so things feel both over-explained and half-baked at the same time. This is not to mention the red-herrings which, imo, don't add to the show for the most part. Fake-tension just feels cheap, and the original show was tighter and mostly avoided these pitfalls. Still love SG;0 and it was better than I remembered. However, at a certain point I did have to turn off my 'solve the puzzle' brain and shift more into my 'anime bullshit, just go with it' mode. And I was still able to enjoy it plenty, but those caveats definitely are still there. Glad you guys didn't get discouraged by any of that and tried to put it together all the way. Open endings can be nice, but this does leave something to be desired. Edit: Just got to your point about the meandering, and while I know this isn't a fair comparison, compare how much Frieren does in its first 10 minutes compared to some of the pacing here. Imo very much agree that there's room to cut/restructure.
Tony Wegner
2025-01-30 17:01:57 +0000 UTCIt really did start to feel like they were teasing that there was information coming from other sources more and more as we got closer to the end, culminating with the reveal of that d-mail from himself before the ending. Glad to know we were on the right track! Thanks for all your great explanations Reuben!!
The Game Club
2025-01-30 14:57:05 +0000 UTCReally interesting that the world lines make a correction to avoid paradoxes, that's a great explanation!
The Game Club
2025-01-30 14:54:56 +0000 UTCOk really glad to hear that this wasn't just us, it definitely left a lot of information on the table so it didn't have to deal with it. As detailed as S;G usually is, it was weird to just have so much hand waved away here. Thanks!
The Game Club
2025-01-30 14:52:45 +0000 UTCThe d-mail that Okabe receives "the world can be tricked" is indeed from another worldline. To explain it would mean explaining the Steins Gate 0 visual novel. How the routes work in Steins Gate 0 is that they each all build off the other. Typically with VN's we have a main true end route, and based off choices you make you can branch off to an alternate what-if route with its own different ending. With Steins Gate 0, each route is its own worldline iteration. So when you start the next route, it builds off the previous one. So for example we have Route 1 that ended with Okabe sending a d-mail to himself in the past to change the future, Route 2 Okabe would be going about his business but then receive the d-mail from Route 1. So as you can see Steins Gate 0's visual novel isn't a one linear story. Its a culmination of multiple route Okabe's building off experiences of their previous iteration counterpart. Obviously this is difficult to do in an anime medium, so they tried to condense it into one linear story. Hence why your confusion of Okabe receiving a random d-mail, cos it wasn't setup that there was an Okabe who would send it. Essentially you are correct.. this is a rabbit hole that is deeper than you thought.
Reuben Filimaua
2025-01-30 14:16:32 +0000 UTCTo explain the Kagari situation, the Kagari on the rooftop came from a worldline (lets call it Worldline A) where she was raised by Mayuri, right? But the moment she and Suzuha time travelled to the past, they shifted the worldline and entered this new branched off one called Worldline B. So whatever happens in Worldline B doesn't affect the existence of Worldline A Suzuha and Kagari because they never were from this worldline in the first place. The fact that Mayuri B and Suzuha B disappeared in 2011 in the time machine, means that there most likely isn't a child Kagari to be raised in this current worldline's future. But that doesn't mean Kagari A ceases to exist because she isn't from this worldline as a time traveller. The time travel rules and mechanics exist to prevent paradoxes. Think of it in terms of the d-mails. When the d-mails are sent to the past, the worldline shifts and the events are changed depending on the cause and effect reaction of the receiver of the d-mail. The very act of sending and receiving a d-mail breaks causality. Because if a message is received in the past, it had to have been sent from the future. But if the d-mail alters events of the present to the point of no longer being any similar to the original worldline it came from.. how does that work? Its a paradox. The worldline literally rewrites itself to be consistent. It knows it won't make sense that we have a Kagari who came from a 2036 where she was adopted by Mayuri as a child but the worldline has changed where now Mayuri was never present in the future in the first place to adopt her.
Reuben Filimaua
2025-01-30 13:56:16 +0000 UTCI've just reached your discussion on the time leap machine. I can see your point, it is definitely glossed over what happened directly after Episode 19. All we know is that they weren't able to fix the time leap machine in time to go back and save Mayuri and Suzuha from the time machine explosion. We aren't given a time frame on when they fixed it. I definitely think it was intentionally glossed over to cover some other potential plot holes. Cos if they fixed the machine at a much later time, how then was Okabe able to time leap back to this point? Then there's the opposite.. if they fixed it at a much earlier time to close that plot hole, then what exactly prevented Okabe from going back in time again with the intention to save Mayuri and Suzuha. Especially now that he would have the information on why the time leap machine didn't work which he can easily inform to Maho. Knowing those specifics would risk totally invalidating the plot point of Episode 20 with seeing the world of 2036 for ourselves.
Reuben Filimaua
2025-01-30 13:01:16 +0000 UTC
