Angel || 5x01 || Discussion

Eve rules, and her dialogue in the season premiere is positively sparkling.

Bailey Dihayco

spangel shippers rise

lady

My toxic trait is that I actually really love Eve, but not as much as Harmony haha

Chris Hanley

Gunn: Whoa, I know lawyerfu!

Nebraska

Love the one take shot they had in the opening scenes walking around the wolfram and hart offices. Each character taking over from the other all in one continuous shot.

Martin Hunstone

No, you're not! I think it pretty much cleared up after this episode

While season 2 of Angel is my favorite, I absolutely love season 5 as well. Looking forward to taking this ride with you!

Will and Kim

Alexis Denisof's Bell's Palsy apparently only affected him for a short while at the beginning of the season, as latter shots show him from all angles (or am I wrong?)

Ron Fehr

Possibly? Unless it's also changed again

Wasn't Lorne's nose different starting Season 4 along with his chin reduction?

ahmad

Season 5 were my favorite seasons for both Angel and Buffy. I'm excited to rewatch along with you!

Elle Blank

Yes, but there was particular emphasis on her putting it up in her new office. You can interpret it just as a character thing, but at the time they were filming it was a huge pop culture thing (them being banned, boycotted etc.) so it's hard to imagine they wouldn't be aware of it. ETA- I weirdly can't find reference to it at all before this episode ?

Erm, but she always had the Dixie Chicks poster.

Phoenix Dawn

Me neither. I never "loved" her but I think the actress is playing her in a fun way and I think her character is a cool concept.

Phoenix Dawn

Obligatory episode trivia: The wonderful 3 1/2 minute long shot near the start took 27 takes apparently. Alexis Denisof was diagnosed with Bell's Palsy just before they started filming season 5. You'll notice he's mostly shot looking at his right hand side. (This I'm sure has already been mentioned multiple times in the comments) Fred putting up that poster is sort of a political statement -they were being boycotted at the time for being anti-Bush/his wars/international politics etc. Whether intentional commentary or just coincidence -Lorne's had a nose job! It's different compared to previous seasons.

I feel like I’m general the fans seem to not like Eve but I kind of like her. She’s not a favorite of mine but I don’t dislike the character or the actress at all

Ray D

I really love season 5 of Angel. I do feel like the show was kind of relentlessly depressing in a lot of seasons 3 and 4. And moving it into this new setting at wolfram and hart is just what the show needed. The fish out of water aspect of the team working at W&H is really fun and totally different. And the Spike and Angel Frenemy aspect is hilarious. Now that both Buffy and Firefly are done Joss turned all of his attention to this season of Angel and could concentrate on just this. As for the amulet that spike wore in the Buffy finale, it came from Wolfram and Hart originally so I don’t think it’s any surprise that it made its way back there. I don’t think Spike returning here takes away from his sacrifice in the Buffy finale at all. Spike still sacrificed himself regardless if he was able to come back. Similar to how Buffy being brought back in season 6 doesn’t take away from her sacrifice in The Gift. It’s still just as powerful.

Ray D

One part that I found funny was with Wes and Gunn talking about it taking a little while to get used to running things. Move the camera over to Lorne, who's already in his element.

Ron Fehr

Yes, it was mentioned, but only in reply to a comment that I posted earlier.

Ron Fehr

Your loss. Not staying for Firefly? If so, so sad.

Allan Cornett

No one makes an entrance quite like William the Bloody.

MattyIce777

I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS SEASON !!!!! AAAAAAA

BOO

I don't think anyones commented yet, but Alexis Denisof had a case of Bell's Palsy this ep, which is why half of Wesley's face looks a bit slack

SpikesEcho

This season reminds me a bit of the unevenness of Buffy season 3, with solid - but not great - episodes at the start, but a very strong finish and gems in between. This episode, for instance, I tend to skip past the whole bomb-child storyline in the middle, and tune back in for the end when Gunn walks into the courtroom

SpikesEcho

Super looking forward to Wednesday. Firefly is a short ride but an awesome one.

TheEvilSmurf42

And I love how Joss Whedon was like "I don't care how popular your character is, I will kill him!" to James Marsters...and he couldn't even keep him dead lol...

Phoenix Dawn

I am so excited for you to see this season. It is one of the best of Buffyverse and it really isn't enough :( But hey, we will get what we can get.

Phoenix Dawn

Eve was a little cringe with the exposition reminding everyone about Connor and the gang not knowing who he is, but I guess it had to be done just in case. Harmony reveal was great. "blondie bear?" was such a good final line. but i think the best line was "initial here regarding your immortal soul" LOL

Dusty

I liked the first two for sure but this is by far the best season of Angel.

Ari is my Cat

To me bringing spike back sucked.i think him realising buffy didn’t love him and becoming a hero, because it was the right thing to do was the end of a great story arc, bringing him back cheapened it. Which is why I ignore this season. I have a few episodes of buffy to watch then I shalll end our patreon experience, thank you for the entertainment, hopefully in the future I will be back

Steven morgan

Spoilers

Stargazer1682

Honestly, this is the only season of Angel I genuinely like. There are some GREAT episodes this season that I'm really looking forward to.

Caleb

They will give Cordelia the respect she deserves . It's the last season . A lot of story's will end here this season. Enjoy the ride . Spike is gonna give angel a shake up .and a run for his money . This a season to have fun too.

Tjbosslyfe

Ooo I'm so excited for your thoughts on this season! Like someone else said, I was totally spoiled that Spike was coming back but I still cried so hard when he died in Chosen. lol Spike definitely takes space from the other characters but I love his relationship dynamics with Angel this season.

Sandy S.

You may recognize Knox, Fred's assistant. The actor, Jonathan M. Woodward, is the same guy who played Holden Webster in the Buffy episode Conversations With Dead People.

Ron Fehr

The Wolfram and Hart employee talking with Angel after his rescue was T.J. Thyne, who later costars with David Boreanaz on the crime series Bones.

Ron Fehr

James Marsters as Spike was brought on the show to help the ratings, he talked in an interview that he felt bad that they replaced Charisma but she told him it wasn’t because of him

Michael Matthews

I don't like that they cheapened Spike's sacrifice in the Buffy finale just to try and save Angel from a ratings slump.

HuntingSwan

Wesley intentionally inflicting Harmony on Angel is the ultimate troll, epic on his part.

G A

Just the distraction I need while recovering from a sudden appendectomy.

lurker1316

This episode aired by itself as a season premiere. Episode 2 aired a week later.

Pam Nail

W&H makes it so different form the rest it's hard for me to even put it in the rankings with them. It's almost like a one season spinoff.

Ryan Powers

I saw the word firefly before anything else and got over excited. But I'm ok it's ok

Elisa H.

Believe me when I tell you that they saved the best for last, season 5 of Angel is absolutely golden, you’re in for one hell of a ride!

Keenan White